Landry Starts Fight in Training Camp

Landry is in full diva mode now that he got paid.

He'll be on ESPN's 40 for 40 in 20 years living under a bridge.

Such fire!
Such passion for the game!

i mean it was a little too much for me, but scuffles like this happen all the time in camps in pretty much every camp. but was a little childish about stepping over him who knows maybe they were jawing way before this and this was the last straw for juice.

He’s also getting RAVE reviews nationally for his play thus far.

Nobody wants to talk about that around here, and that’s really what matters for a football player.

Yes, he's the best active WR on the Browns roster.

"bigballa2102 wrote:

i mean it was a little too much for me, but scuffles like this happen all the time in camps in pretty much every camp. but was a little childish about stepping over him who knows maybe they were jawing way before this and this was the last straw for juice.

Any chance Tannehill can get some of that 'benefit of the doubt" you are applying to Landry? :p

Landry won't break 1000 yards and the Browns are going 3-13.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Landry won't break 1000 yards and the Browns are going 3-13.

I watched the 2nd episode of Hard Knocks the other night and the coach can't stop yelling at people for giving zero effort in practice. I agree with you that Tyrod and Landry are probably good for a few wins on their own, but I don't see them doing too much more than that overall. I would guess 2-14 at this point....but I'll update that in a few weeks as the rest of pre-season unfolds.

"KeyFin wrote:

I watched the 2nd episode of Hard Knocks the other night and the coach can't stop yelling at people for giving zero effort in practice. I agree with you that Tyrod and Landry are probably good for a few wins on their own, but I don't see them doing too much more than that overall. I would guess 2-14 at this point....but I'll update that in a few weeks as the rest of pre-season unfolds.

Looking at their schedule closer, they could go 4-12.

"Fin-O wrote:

He’s also getting RAVE reviews nationally for his play thus far.

Nobody wants to talk about that around here, and that’s really what matters for a football player.

They can rave review all they want... Let's see if it makes a difference in the win column. I don't think Landry moved the win needle all that much in Miami, I don't see it happening in Cleveland, especially if he's the #1 there. But, hey, I'm just some guy on a message board, perhaps the coaches know better than me.

Also, let's not pretend that everyone on here was pro Landry, then he left, and then everyone turned on him. Fact is many of us were saying since the beginning of last season that we wanted to resign Landry, but at a reasonable rate as he's simply a slot receiver. Then after he was gone, we see the ridiculous contract and the diva behavior, and we start finding out about the kind of player he was in the locker room, and we just realize how much better off we are without that. We finally saw who Landry actually is.

"resnor wrote:

They can rave review all they want... Let's see if it makes a difference in the win column. I don't think Landry moved the win needle all that much in Miami, I don't see it happening in Cleveland, especially if he's the #1 there. But, hey, I'm just some guy on a message board, perhaps the coaches know better than me.

You have notoriously stated (and I actually agree for the most part) that "Wins are not a QB stat".

Do you think it is now fair to hold W's and L's on a Wr who has MUCH MUCH less impact on the game?

"resnor wrote:

Also, let's not pretend that everyone on here was pro Landry, then he left, and then everyone turned on him. Fact is many of us were saying since the beginning of last season that we wanted to resign Landry, but at a reasonable rate as he's simply a slot receiver. Then after he was gone, we see the ridiculous contract and the diva behavior, and we start finding out about the kind of player he was in the locker room, and we just realize how much better off we are without that. We finally saw who Landry actually is.

I posted this back in 2015:

I could be completely off on this, but while I love Landry as a player, I get the feeling that he is somewhat of a diva who really likes to be under the spotlight. I keep coming back to that one game (Redskins I think) where there was a video pre-game that he was yelling and trying to fire everybody up, but nobody responded.

Then I saw this video before the game yesterday where he was giving some speech to other players and they clearly were not as engaged as he was... he was facing the camera, as if it was all set up before hand. I get the feeling that some players get annoyed by this and that he is not seen as much of a leader inside the locker room as all of us want to believe.

He was showing signs of this type of behaviour a looong time ago.

Please don't let this thread turn in to a Tannehill thread... Please god, NO!!!!!!!

"Fin-O wrote:

You have notoriously stated (and I actually agree for the most part) that "Wins are not a QB stat".

Do you think it is now fair to hold W's and L's on a Wr who has MUCH MUCH less impact on the game?

He caught almost 50% of the team's passes, which in my mind makes him the most responsible piece on offense. There are plenty of other factors (coaching, defense, blocking, play calls, etc) but if you're going to name one guy from Miami that had the most impact on our record, it has to be Landry by default.

"KeyFin wrote:

He caught almost 50% of the team's passes, which in my mind makes him the most responsible piece on offense. There are plenty of other factors (coaching, defense, blocking, play calls, etc) but if you're going to name one guy from Miami that had the most impact on our record, it has to be Landry by default.

QB has more influence.

"resnor wrote:

If you took from that post that I was holding Landry responsible for the wins and losses then you're even worse than I thought. I was simply trying to point out that the production Landry gives is not game changing.

Not sure what you mean.

I thought you clearly stated that let’s see how they feel about Landry when he doesn’t make a difference in the W/L column.

Did I interpret that wrong?

If so, please explain.

Thanks

"KeyFin wrote:

He caught almost 50% of the team's passes, which in my mind makes him the most responsible piece on offense. There are plenty of other factors (coaching, defense, blocking, play calls, etc) but if you're going to name one guy from Miami that had the most impact on our record, it has to be Landry by default.

I disagree. A WR is a moving part that needs other variables to succeed, thus making him possibly a da tor. But no one generally blames a W or L on a WR, just because it’s not that kind of a position for the most part.

Just because he has been our best offensive player the last 4 years, doesn’t mean he should’ve been in my opinion. It’s a testament to everyone else being subpar.

The dolphins better think seriously about unloading Parker now and bring in someone like Dez Bryant. Parker has all the tools, but I bet he doesn't play more than 8 games this year which will make it hard to make the playoffs without a good wideout.

"Dolphins concerned fan wrote:

The dolphins better think seriously about unloading Parker now and bring in someone like Dez Bryant. Parker has all the tools, but I bet he doesn't play more than 8 games this year which will make it hard to make the playoffs without a good wideout.

Parker injured his twitter finger, thus ensuring his presence on the team opening day.

O did you not see the video of his bullying him girlfriend?

"Fin-O wrote:

Not sure what you mean.

I thought you clearly stated that let’s see how they feel about Landry when he doesn’t make a difference in the W/L column.

Did I interpret that wrong?

If so, please explain.

Thanks

Are you able to comprehend that saying what Landry brings to the table didn't affect wins is different than saying we lost because of Landry?

Instead of trying to troll and play gotcha, actually try to understand what is being said. Landry isn't going to take a screen 60 yards for a TD. He's not a deep threat. His skill set isn't going to work as a #1 receiver. That is what I was saying. I don't care how much rave reviews he's getting, when it comes down to it, you need an actual deep threat on the team.

"djphinfan wrote:

O did you not see the video of his bullying him girlfriend?

I did. Again, I’m happy with our current situation at WR without Jarvis.

I just find it distasteful how some folks can go from fully supporting a guy to all of a sudden criticizing his Wr room speech and calling a training camp fight (they happen multiple times a year) some proof of just how bad he was.

Some people weren’t big fans of his before he left, I have no issue with that. It’s just the “flip” of a lot of other people who praised this guy for years and our now calling him a one dimensional turd.

So yes the video is disgusting. But let’s be honest DJ, his words about Tannehill pissed these guys off WAYYY more than any DV he committed.

Again, you're letting personal beliefs about posters affect your thoughts on this. People who fully supported Landry a year or two ago didn't have the same information available to them then that is available now. So, now people know what kind of a person he is, and they know what he was like in the locker room, and so their opinion has changed. It literally has nothing to do with the fact that he's not a Dolphin, but everything to do with the fact that we now know he's not a good teammate.

"KeyFin wrote:

He caught almost 50% of the team's passes, which in my mind makes him the most responsible piece on offense. There are plenty of other factors (coaching, defense, blocking, play calls, etc) but if you're going to name one guy from Miami that had the most impact on our record, it has to be Landry by default.

I see this one differently. I'm not going to blame the WR who is paid to catch the ball, for catching the ball. If you believe he was being targeted more then he should have been that's on the QB/play calling. If you believe he was catching the ball because he was one of the only options that got open, that's on all of the other WRs. If you believe that the QB was throwing the easy read every time instead of letting plays develop down field then that's on the QB. If you believe he was pushing his will on the QB making him throw him the ball... then that is one horribly weak QB.

I just don't see how you blame the WR for negatively effecting W/L when all he is doing is catching the ball that's thrown to him, or running the route that the play called for. If Landry had a ton of drops or tipped passes into the defenders hands, then I can see some blame coming his way. I think we can at least all agree that when he did catch the ball he did everything he could to make yards after the catch. Defenses knew we were going to throw to him and defended appropriately, again that's not on Landry either.