Kyler Murray Thread

You can't sacrifice the 2020 draft to get him. So if he's there, and if Grier thinks he has a shot, try it. If it turns out he's amazing, great. But still grab a QB in 2020. If you get two great qb's then you'll have one great qb and a lot of ammunition to trade. If you have one, it was worth it. If you don't get either then you'll still be looking and no other picks would have mattered .

We're essentially playing hunt the franchise QB.

Of course, the alternative is for Grier to find QB gold in the later rounds, but I can't lay claim to any great knowledge about anyone like that right now. If I could I'd be looking for a career in NFL scouting. :)

"Pauly wrote:

I kind of get the feeling this is going to be like the talk of Baker Mayfield dropping to the phins last year. I think he’ll end up going before we get a chance to pull the trigger.

On 3YPC they mentioned a very slight possibility that because of Klingsbury the Cardinals might choose to trade Rosen and draft Murray.

Would any here give up a 1st for Rosen and be happy with him as our new QB?

If he is there at 13, I would take him. Not sure if I would trade up big for him to get him.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

On 3YPC they mentioned a very slight possibility that because of Klingsbury the Cardinals might choose to trade Rosen and draft Murray.

Would any here give up a 1st for Rosen and be happy with him as our new QB?

Ummm, going through Rosen’s stats he put up worse numbers than Tannehill did as a rookie on basically every major QB measurement except TD%, and that’s before you adjust for era.

I’m not sure how bad Rosen’s supporting cast was vis-a-vis Tannehill’s rookie campaign but if Tannehill isn’t the answer why would we replace him with someone who did worse. Maybe one of the guys who is expert at film analysis could change my mind, but the numbers scare me.

This draft doesn't have any QB's worth trading up for.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

On 3YPC they mentioned a very slight possibility that because of Klingsbury the Cardinals might choose to trade Rosen and draft Murray.

Would any here give up a 1st for Rosen and be happy with him as our new QB?

Yes! In a heartbeat! I floated that idea before kingsbury was even hired, and now it seems even more plausible. But I dont want to derail this thread.

"Miamiforlife wrote:

I don’t even want him on the team. Rg3 anyone? Too fragile. So say he comes in and is tearing it up. Week 8. We are 6-2 or better. Week nine. Up by 15 in the third quarter. Big hit. He is out for the year. We win 2 more games on guts. Then we’re 8-8 again. And out of position for a top qb again. Thats if he can actually ball out in the nfl. To much of a gamble for me. Russell. Flutie. Tarkington. Are a combined 1-6 in superbowls. The superbowl teams all had legendary defenses. Brees is 6-1. So not under six like the others. Strong pass for me.

Pretty weak argument this could happen to anyone. Injuries are part of the game. Miami has zero excitement as a team. 2-3 inches doesn’t change the fact that the kid has an accurate and deep ball arm and can escape the pocket and make things happen with his feet when needed. You can’t live in fear and if we can get him without breaking the bank I’d be excited!! If things don’t work out you trade or move in it isn’t the end of the world for a franchise that’s “rebuilding” we have to take a shot

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

As a WVU fan who watched White play for four years on my side, and then watched Murray on the enemy sideline, it was the first thing that sprung to my mind as well. Murray is a more natural, agile runner though. Whereas Pat was fast, but not smooth - kind of like pre-injury Tannehill.

As I said, I want absolutely no part of the style of offense that Murray would be forced to run as QB. I hate it. But I do think that he could make a good slot WR if he wanted to. White was just never suited to play in the NFL at all.

As someone that has watched both, please explain how they are similar players?

This is a player who I think the combine makes or breaks, not because of his measurable but because the interviews are going to be where teams find out just how committed he is to the NFL. It's all good to come out and say you're 100% committed to being an NFL quarterback when you're most likely to go in the first round but what is your mindset going to be if come next season if you go 4-12 and the fans aren't in love with you? Are you going to run back to Baseball?

If this is true - then IMO we don't go get him. We wait for 2020.

"Nappy Roots wrote:

As someone that has watched both, please explain how they are similar players?

Perhaps I made my point poorly. What I tried to say was that they seem very similar on the surface. White was the immediate comparrison that I made too. But once you dig down, they're pretty different.

But again, I want absolutely no part of Murray either way.

"Dorfdad wrote:

Pretty weak argument this could happen to anyone. Injuries are part of the game. Miami has zero excitement as a team. 2-3 inches doesn’t change the fact that the kid has an accurate and deep ball arm and can escape the pocket and make things happen with his feet when needed. You can’t live in fear and if we can get him without breaking the bank I’d be excited!! If things don’t work out you trade or move in it isn’t the end of the world for a franchise that’s “rebuilding” we have to take a shot

How many hard hits did tannehill take his first season? Imo murray dosnt survive all those hits. Tanny might suck as a qb. But the dude was tough. So why does my opinion have to be a weak argument. I am not any way weak. That was my opinion. Not meant to be an argument starter. Sorry we don’t all think the same.

Merged with other Murray thread in Draft Forum. Will try to keep prospect specific threads in the Draft Forum.

"Galant wrote:

If this is true - then IMO we don't go get him. We wait for 2020.

Kyler Murray will be a top 5 pick. It’s Baker Mayfield all over again.

— Matt Cannata (@CannataPFSN) February 12, 2019

What does it say?

"djphinfan wrote:

What does it say?

He'll be a top five pick.

"Galant wrote:

Y’all are having fun with speculation, but... pic.twitter.com/dy4NbJ82iB

— Arizona Cardinals (@AZCardinals) February 12, 2019

I wish that Josh was our guy!

:tt1::up::chuckle:

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I wish that Josh was our guy!

:tt1::up::chuckle:

Why? Running through the numbers he was significantly worse than Tannehill was as a rookie before adjusting for era. Based off n the numbers alone there are a lot of red flags.

I’m curious to know what you see.

"Pauly wrote:

Why? Running through the numbers he was significantly worse than Tannehill was as a rookie before adjusting for era. Based off n the numbers alone there are a lot of red flags.

I’m curious to know what you see.

Now, this is of course a highlight video, so it focuses on the good. But this was a 21 year old rookie, on a bad team with a terrible OL, playing for a coach who would be fired after one season. For me, with what I want in a QB, nearly everything about how he plays the position is absolutely right. Its just what I want in our next QB. Plus he's got lots of room to grow, and again IMO, his makeup and personality are off the charts as well.