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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Gunner, Sep 22, 2009.

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  1. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I've heard that they've been impressed with Huff's play in dime coverage, apparently. As for their head coach, according to Shefter on Mike and Mike, he doesn't expect Cable to stay.
     
  2. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Isnt Huff a free agent? Could be mistaken on that one though.

    If Mays runs a good 40 time though Davis will be intrigued for sure. Would love to see him take Mays or Dunlap, give the following teams another choice. :up:
     
  3. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I was hoping that Hernandez might be a second round possibility for us. I've been thinking that he might an idea fit with Fasano. I was also thinking that I would rate him ahead of Gresham, but I was hoping nobody else would. Now that I see Kiper has him at 19 already I can envision most of the teams having Hernandez as the top TE. If he performs well in the run up to the draft I could see him being in the conversation at #12.
     
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  4. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Isn't that like saying Jason Allen is a good reason not to draft CB because he's been impressive in dime packages?
     
  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I don't see Hernandez as a fit here. He can't block on the line.
     
  6. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    If it comes down to tackle for the Raiders, Bruce Campbell has the best 40 time among linemen. :lol:
     
  7. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO his blocking is at least on par with what they have in Haynos. And I think he would be an ideal fit with Fasano.
     
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  8. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    but he could be the playmaker that we desperatedly need, hell Fasano and Hilliard did a great job of playing matador yesterday.
     
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  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Sorry, I just don't see it. And I don't think Jeff Ireland does either.
     
  10. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I'd select Hernandez first over any other TE. He did a good job blocking in the bowl game when asked.
     
  11. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    The only one who knows what Ireland thinks is Ireland.
     
  12. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    That's why he said he doesn't think Ireland does either. :up:
     
  13. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    True. But I know what Ireland told an acquaintance of mine when they talked about the draft at the Champs attached to the Mariott the Dolphins were staying in after the Carolina game.
     
  14. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    What did he say and how do we know your aquaintance is not screwing with you?
     
  15. Gunner

    Gunner Rock Hunter

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    Kiper's Latest:

    A lot of movement this week. A couple of guys are back in -- now that they're locks to jump as juniors -- in Jahvid Best and Arrelious Benn. Then, closer to the top, we also have upward movement by the likes of Jason Pierre-Paul (look for my piece on Monday about Bowl risers and fallers) as well as Joe Haden, who is head and shoulders the top CB in this group right now.

    Florida had a couple of other players rise, and Taylor Mays continues to drop. We expect great things from him in workouts but, as we discussed before, we also assumed greatness there. Some movement as well in my top players at each position, so check those out as well.

    1 Ndamukong Suh
    DT 6-4 300
    Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1

    2 Gerald McCoy
    DT 6-4 297
    Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2

    3 Eric Berry
    DB 5-11 203
    Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3

    4 Jimmy Clausen
    QB 6-3 223
    Analysis: Improved through adversity, has under-center experience. Last week: No. 4

    5 Sam Bradford
    QB 6-4 223
    Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position, is super-accurate. Last week: No. 5

    6 Joe Haden
    CB 5-11 190
    Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 7

    7 Russell Okung
    OT 6-5 300
    Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blindside pass-protector. Last week: No. 6

    8 Derrick Morgan
    DE 6-4 275
    Analysis: Proven pass-rusher, stout versus run. Very productive. Last week: No. 8

    9 Dez Bryant
    WR 6-2 220
    Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 9

    10 Rolando McClain
    LB 6-4 258
    Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 11

    11 Jason Pierre-Paul
    DE 6-5 262
    Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 12

    12 Brian Price
    DT 6-2 300
    Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc. Last week: No. 10

    13 C.J. Spiller
    RB 5-11 195
    Analysis: Multitalented, super-fast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 14

    14 Carlos Dunlap
    DE 6-6 290
    Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 17

    15 Aaron Hernandez
    TE 6-2 250
    Analysis: Great hands and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: No. 19

    16 Everson Griffen
    DE 6-3 280
    Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 16

    17 Dan Williams
    DT 6-3 327
    Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 18

    18 Anthony Davis
    OT 6-6 325
    Analysis: Gifted physically, quick feet and still improving. Last week: 15

    19 Taylor Mays
    S 6-3 235
    Analysis: Has linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 13

    20 Brandon Graham
    DE 6-2 270
    Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 19

    21 Sergio Kindle
    LB 6-4 255
    Analysis: Production finally matches his talent. Last week: No. 21

    22 Jermaine Gresham
    TE 6-6 258
    Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 22

    23 Jahvid Best
    RB 5-10 195
    Analysis: Versatile; home run threat on every play. Last week: No. NR

    24 Arrelious Benn
    WR 6-2 220
    Analysis: Silky-smooth but physical playmaker. Great RAC threat. Last week: No. NR

    25 Patrick Robinson
    CB 5-11 193
    Analysis: Consistent, even in a tough year. Best overall senior CB. Last week: 25
     
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  16. Skeet84

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    Aaron Hernandez would be great behind Fasano and I would love to get him in the second. His blocking is not as bad as what some ppl think. He is the best recieving threat at TE in the draft.
     
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  17. Disgustipate

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    They've seemed very willing to compromise in that regard, to a degree I didn't expect. Kory Sperry, David Martin, they gave some looks to Beckum and Ingram last year if I remember correctly.
     
  18. Gunner

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    Draft Insider Digest top 32

    - I use to post Scouts Inc in this thread but the more I read of their stuff, the less impressed I am by them ... I really like DID's info better & have quite a bit of respect for Frank Coyle's Blog even though this top 32 list is a bit off from how I'd ranks some of these players ... but it gives us another list discuss :up:

    1 Ndamukong Suh - DT - Nebraska - 6’4” 300
    2 * Sam Bradford - QB - Oklahoma - 6’4” 220
    3 Taylor Mays - FS - Southern Cal - 6’3” 235
    4 Russell Okung - OT - Oklahoma St - 6’5” 310
    5 C.J. Spiller - RB - Clemson - 5’11” 195
    6 * Eric Berry - S - Tennessee - 5’11” 205
    7 * Gerald McCoy - DT - Oklahoma - 6’4 300
    8 Jerry Hughes - DE - TCU - 6’3” 255
    9 * Brian Bulaga - OT - Iowa - 6’5” 315
    10 * Derrick Morgan - DE - Georgia Tech - 6’4” 270
    11 * Rolando McClain - LB - Alabama - 6’3” 230
    12 * Carlos Dunlap - DE - Florida - 6’5” 290
    13 * Jimmy Clausen – QB - Notre Dame - 6’3” 215
    14 Terrence Cody - DT - Alabama - 6’4” 360
    15 Brandon Spikes - LB - Florida - 6’3” 255
    16 Brandon LaFell - WR - LSU - 6’3” 210
    17 * Joe Haden - CB - Florida - 5’10 190
    18 Ricky Sapp - LB - Clemson - 6’4” 245
    19 Trent Williams - OT - Oklahoma - 6’5” 320
    20 Jared Odrick - DT - Penn St - 6’4” 300
    21 Dez Bryant - WR - Oklahoma St - 6’1” 215
    22 * Anthony Davis - OT - Rutgers - 6’5” 325
    23 * Jonathan Dwyer - RB - Georgia Tech - 5’11” 230
    24 * Arrelious Benn - WR - Illinois - 6’1” 210
    25 * Marvin Austin - DT - North Carolina - 6’3” 310
    26 * Damian Williams - WR - Southern Cal - 6’1” 190
    27 Colt McCoy - QB - Texas - 6’3” 215
    28 Sergio Kindle - LB - Texas - 6’4” 255
    29 * Bruce Carter - LB - North Carolina - 6’3” 225
    30 Charles Brown - OT - Southern Cal - 6’5” 295
    31 Brandon Graham - DE - Michigan - 6’1” 265
    32 * Greg Jones - LB - Michigan St - 6’1” 225
     
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  19. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    They got McClain's weight wrong.

    I just don't get the love for Taylor Mays. It seems to me like they're just saying "his size and athleticism is so much better than Berry that, if the light ever came on at FS, he could be much better." Berry has already proven that he is special. Mays has not.
     
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  20. Gunner

    Gunner Rock Hunter

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    Yep, that was the 1st guy that was out of place for me too when I first saw it ... I haven't seen much of Mays but I have seen Berry and he is such a great player. The other guy that was "off" for me on that list was Cody ... for me he should be 20ish ... Dez Bryant at 21 is to low also but I understand why he put him down there
     
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  21. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Man after seeing some of these rankings that have came out from various placing I can't help but think eric berry. And how close he could come to 12 and if we would pull the trigger to move up a few spots for him. Dream come true
     

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