something is missing with Locker. I think it might be a killr instinct or something. Just seems like he gives up too easily. I remember Cutler on Vandy had a horrible offense but never gave up. Locker looks like he goes through the motions sometimes
Locker has the X Factor IMO. I'm not sure I rule Kaepernick out just yet. He needs a LOT of coaching but he is very mobile and has an elite arm. I also think he's more accurate than Young.
He has a gun for an arm I give him that, and when he is on he can hit a dime from 70 yards away. The problem is he is so inconsistant with his accuracy.
Yep, he is. But I think teams will like the arm and the mobility enough to give him a look as a project
Whats amazing to me is that he often makes a great read of the defense before he throws....and he just flat out misses. He has a LOT of upside if someone can get him consistant.
Kiper's Update: 1 Ndamukong Suh DT 6-4 300 Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1 2 Eric Berry DB 5-11 203 Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 2 3 Gerald McCoy DT 6-4 297 Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 3 4 Taylor Mays S 6-3 235 Analysis: Linebacker size and cornerback speed. Last week: No. 4 5 Sam Bradford QB 6-4 223 Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; super-accurate. Last week: No. 5 6 Russell Okung OT 6-5 300 Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass protector. Last week: No. 6 7 Carlos Dunlap DE 6-6 290 Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Unlimited upside potential. Last week: No. 8 8 Jake Locker QB 6-3 226 Analysis: Developing talent whose physical tools are unmatched. Last week: No. 7 9 Jimmy Clausen QB 6-3 223 Analysis: Polished QB, at his best when game is on the line. Last week: No. 12 10 Dez Bryant WR 6-2 220 Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 9 11 Joe Haden CB 5-11 190 Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. NR 12 C.J. Spiller RB 5-11 195 Analysis: Multitalented, super-fast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 14 13 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6-5 262 Analysis: Explosive natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 10 14 Everson Griffen DE 6-3 280 Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 11 15 Rolando McClain LB 6-4 258 Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: NR 16 Sean Weatherspoon LB 6-2 245 Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 13 17 Jahvid Best RB 5-10 195 Analysis: Versatile, game-breaker supreme. Last week: No. 15 18 Terrence Cody DT 6-5 365 Analysis: Tremendous clogger along the interior. Last week: No. 16 19 Colt McCoy QB 6-2 210 Analysis: Intelligent and resourceful. Can beat you with arm or legs. Last week: No. 18 20 Jermaine Gresham TE 6-6 258 Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 17 21 Jerry Hughes DE 6-3 257 Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 21 22 Brandon Graham DE 6-2 270 Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 22 23 Greg Hardy DE 6-5 275 Analysis: Difference-maker harassing the QB when at full strength. Last week: No. 19 24 Brandon Spikes LB 6-3 243 Analysis: Complete MLB, solid in all areas. Last week: No. 20 25 Sergio Kindle LB 6-4 255 Analysis: Production finally matched his talent last season. Last week: No. 23
Scouts Inc Update: 1. Eric Berry* S Tennessee 5-11¼ 204 97 2. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 6-3½ 296 97 3. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 6-3⅞ 295 96 4. Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State 6-8 299 96 5. Carlos Dunlap* DE Florida 6-5¾ 293 96 6. Jake Locker* QB Washington 6-2¼ 222 96 7. Joe Haden* CB Florida 5-11⅜ 191 95 8. Rolando McClain* ILB Alabama 6-3½ 245 95 9. Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State 6-2 217 95 10. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 6-4 268 95 11. Jimmy Clausen* QB Notre Dame 6-2¾ 217 95 12. Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma 6-4 214 94 13. Navorro Bowman* OLB Penn State 6-1½ 231 94 14. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 5-10¾ 196 94 15. Taylor Mays S USC 6-3 236 94 16. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 6-5 306 94 17. Greg Hardy DE Mississippi 6-4 261 94 18. Earl Thomas* S Texas 5-11 198 93 19. Jahvid Best* RB California 5-9¾ 198 93 20. Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 6-6 311 93 21. Arthur Jones DT Syracuse 6-3 302 93 22. Arrelious Benn* WR Illinois 6-1⅝ 221 93 23. Charles Brown OT USC 6-5 285 92 24. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 6-4 236 92 25. Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 6-5½ 263 92 26. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 6-3 252 92 27. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 6-6 262 92 28. Marvin Austin* DT North Carolina 6-2½ 303 92 29. Everson Griffen* DE USC 6-3 272 91 30. Anthony Davis* OT Rutgers 6-5½ 328 91 31. Brandon LaFell WR LSU 6-2⅜ 207 91 32. Anthony McCoy TE USC 6-4 245 91
Kiper's Latest: 1 Ndamukong Suh DT 6-4 300 Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1 2 Eric Berry DB 5-11 203 Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 2 3 Gerald McCoy DT 6-4 297 Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 3 4 Carlos Dunlap DE 6-6 290 Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Potential for unlimited upside. Last week: No. 7 5 Sam Bradford QB 6-4 223 Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; super accurate. Last week: No. 5 6 Russell Okung OT 6-5 300 Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass protector. Last week: No. 6 7 Taylor Mays S 6-3 235 Analysis: Linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 4 8 Jake Locker QB 6-3 226 Analysis: Developing talent whose physical tools are unmatched. Last week: No. 8 9 Jimmy Clausen QB 6-3 223 Analysis: Polished QB, at his best when game is on the line. Last week: No. 9 10 Dez Bryant WR 6-2 220 Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 10 11 Joe Haden CB 5-11 190 Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 11 12 C.J. Spiller RB 5-11 195 Analysis: Multitalented, super-fast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 12 13 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6-5 262 Analysis: Explosive natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 13 14 Everson Griffen DE 6-3 280 Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 14 15 Rolando McClain LB 6-4 258 Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: 15 16 Sean Weatherspoon LB 6-2 245 Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 16 17 Jahvid Best RB 5-10 195 Analysis: Versatile, game-breaker supreme. Last week: No. 17 18 Terrence Cody DT 6-5 365 Analysis: Tremendous clogger along the interior. Last week: No. 19 19 Colt McCoy QB 6-2 210 Analysis: Intelligent and resourceful. Can beat you with arm or legs. Last week: No. 19 20 Jermaine Gresham TE 6-6 258 Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 20 21 Jerry Hughes DE 6-3 257 Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 21 22 Brandon Graham DE 6-2 270 Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 22 23 Sergio Kindle LB 6-4 255 Analysis: Production finally matched his talent last season. Last week: No. 25 24 Brandon Spikes LB 6-3 243 Analysis: Complete MLB, solid in all areas. Last week: No. 24 25 Greg Hardy DE 6-5 275 Analysis: Difference-maker harassing the QB when at full strength. Last week: No. 23
Patrick Robinson, Kyle Wilson, Ras-I-Dowling, Sydquan Thompson, Brandon Ghee and the kid at Kentucky are, IMO, better corners.
I mean seriously......it's not even close to being anything else. Never have I seen a guy ranked in the top 10 of a pre-draft list who gets beaten so consistently.
Thompson is the best in the class IMO. Kyle Wilson can play very well too. Great closing burst but I've seen him run away from ball carriers in the past, which is odd because he can get physical with WR's. How about Carlos Dunlap? So up and down. Too many people are looking at potential over production IMO.
Yep. Dunlap is another. Never seen him make a play. He looks sweet in that uni, but making plays? Not so much.
Love Brandon Ghee. Love him. Could be the best out there, not sure yet but I also like your boy Sydquan. Dowling is an enigma but that kid can play.
Yeah, I think it's an underrated group. Sydquan is small, but aggressive and a good leaper. Plus he can play man. As can Patrick Robinson. I'm impressed with him on a bad defense. He can trail, has good catch up speed and isn't afraid to throw himself in. Ghee has great speed but also some legitimate ball skills.
Ghee impressed me as much or more than Alphonso Smith when they were playing together. I've been enamored with him since. I'm not as sure about Robinson. He also looks small to me. I like Ghee the best, but I think Dowling could be the guy that explodes into being the #1 CB drafted. He's enigmatic to me but VERY gifted.
Kiper's New Board with a lil info ... Two new players jumped onto the board this week. One is Derrick Morgan from Georgia Tech, who has been impossible to block all season. He could have been here sooner, but I wanted to wait until he was solidly up the Big Board, and thus far more likely to look toward the NFL after his junior season. The other name I added is Dan Williams, who has been moving up on my charts all season. Williams has impressed me with his relentlessness, and also his ability to make big plays against top teams. Alabama couldn't block him. A couple drops include Greg Hardy -- he was 25th last week, so the additions hurt him -- and Terrence Cody, who I feel less and less is the next great run stopper. I think he'll need to be able to do more, and that could be a problem. 1 Ndamukong Suh DT 6-4 300 Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1 2 Eric Berry DB 5-11 203 Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 2 3 Gerald McCoy DT 6-4 297 Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 3 4 Carlos Dunlap DE 6-6 290 Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Potential for unlimited upside. Last week: No. 7 5 Sam Bradford QB 6-4 223 Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; super accurate. Last week: No. 5 6 Russell Okung OT 6-5 300 Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass protector. Last week: No. 6 7 Jake Locker QB 6-3 226 Analysis: Developing talent whose physical tools are unmatched. Last week: No. 8 8 Jimmy Clausen QB 6-3 223 Analysis: Polished QB, at his best when game is on the line. Last week: No. 9 9 Taylor Mays S 6-3 235 Analysis: Linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 7 10 Dez Bryant WR 6-2 220 Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 10 11 Joe Haden CB 5-11 190 Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 11 12 C.J. Spiller RB 5-11 195 Analysis: Multitalented, super-fast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 12 13 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6-5 262 Analysis: Explosive natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 13 14 Rolando McClain LB 6-4 258 Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 15 15 Everson Griffen DE 6-3 280 Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 14 16 Derrick Morgan DE 6-4 275 Analysis: Proven pass rusher (11.6 sacks this year), also stout versus run (fourth-leading tackler on the Yellow Jackets' defense). Last week: NR 17 Sean Weatherspoon LB 6-2 245 Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 16 18 Jahvid Best RB 5-10 195 Analysis: Versatile, game-breaker supreme. Last week: No. 17 19 Sergio Kindle LB 6-4 255 Analysis: Production finally matched his talent last season. Last week: No. 23 20 Jermaine Gresham TE 6-6 258 Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 20 21 Dan Williams DT 6-3 327 Analysis: High motor, consistent DT with tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: NR 22 Colt McCoy QB 6-2 210 Analysis: Intelligent and resourceful. Can beat you with arm or legs. Last week: No. 19 23 Jerry Hughes DE 6-3 257 Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 21 24 Brandon Graham DE 6-2 270 Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 22 25 Brandon Spikes LB 6-3 243 Analysis: Complete MLB, solid in all areas. Last week: No. 24
New Update from Kiper: 1 Ndamukong Suh DT 6-4 300 Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1 2 Gerald McCoy DT 6-4 297 Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2 3 Eric Berry DB 5-11 203 Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 4 4 Jimmy Clausen QB 6-3 223 Analysis: Polished QB at his best when game is on the line. Last week: No. 6 5 Sam Bradford QB 6-4 223 Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; is superaccurate. Last week: No. 5 6 Russell Okung OT 6-5 300 Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blindside pass-protector. Last week: No. 7 7 Joe Haden CB 5-11 190 Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 9 8 Derrick Morgan DE 6-4 275 Analysis: Proven pass-rusher (12.5 sacks this year); stout versus run. Last week: No. 10 9 Jake Locker QB 6-3 226 Analysis: Developing talent whose physical tools are unmatched. Last week: No. 8 10 Brian Price DT 6-2 300 Analysis: Powerful, leverage guy who wreaks havoc. Last week: No. 11 11 Dez Bryant WR 6-2 220 Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 13 12 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6-5 262 Analysis: Explosive natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 14 13 Rolando McClain LB 6-4 258 Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 15 14 Taylor Mays S 6-3 235 Analysis: Has linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 12 15 Everson Griffen DE 6-3 280 Analysis: Supremely talented, now gaining the necessary consistency. Last week: No. 16 16 C.J. Spiller RB 5-11 195 Analysis: Multitalented, superfast, electrifying game-breaker. Last week: No. 17 17 Carlos Dunlap DE 6-6 290 Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 3 18 Dan Williams DT 6-3 327 Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 18 19 Aaron Hernandez TE 6-2 250 Analysis: Great hands, and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: NR 20 Brandon Graham DE 6-2 270 Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge. Last week: No. 24 21 Sergio Kindle LB 6-4 255 Analysis: Production finally matched his talent last season. Last week: No. 21 22 Jermaine Gresham TE 6-6 258 Analysis: The best pass-catching tight end in college football. Last week: No. 22 23 Jerry Hughes DE 6-3 257 Analysis: Prolific pass-rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB. Last week: No. 23 24 Sean Weatherspoon LB 6-2 245 Analysis: Makes plays all over the field. Last week: No. 19 25 Colt McCoy QB 6-2 210 Analysis: Intelligent and resourceful. Can beat you with arm or legs. Last week: No. 25
Scouts Inc Top 32 Update: 1 Eric Berry S 5'11¼" 204 Tennessee 2 Gerald McCoy DT 6'3½" 296 Oklahoma 3 Ndamukong Suh DT 6'3⅞" 295 Nebraska 4 Russell Okung OT 6'8" 299 Oklahoma State 5 Joe Haden CB 5'11⅜" 191 Florida 6 Derrick Morgan DE 6'4" 268 Georgia Tech 7 Jake Locker QB 6'2¼" 222 Washington 8 Carlos Dunlap DE 6'5¾" 293 Florida 9 Rolando McClain ILB 6'3½" 245 Alabama 10 Sam Bradford QB 6'4" 214 Oklahoma 11 Dez Bryant WR 6'2" 217 Oklahoma State 12 Navorro Bowman OLB 6'1½" 231 Penn State 13 C.J. Spiller RB 5'10¾" 196 Clemson 14 Earl Thomas S 5'11" 198 Texas 15 Jimmy Clausen QB 6'2¾" 217 Notre Dame 16 Arthur Jones DT 6'3" 302 Syracuse 17 Taylor Mays S 6'3" 236 USC 18 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6'5½" 263 South Florida 19 Trent Williams OT 6'5" 306 Oklahoma 20 Sergio Kindle OLB 6'4" 236 Texas 21 Greg Hardy DE 6'4" 261 Mississippi 22 Bruce Carter OLB 6'2¾" 223 North Carolina 23 Jahvid Best RB 5'9¾" 198 California 24 Anthony Davis OT 6'5½" 328 Rutgers 25 Jermaine Gresham TE 6'6" 262 Oklahoma 26 Charles Brown OT 6'5¼" 285 USC 27 Brandon Spikes ILB 6'3" 252 Florida 28 Bryan Bulaga OT 6'6" 311 Iowa 29 Arrelious Benn WR 6'1⅝" 221 Illinois 30 Patrick Robinson CB 5'11⅛" 192 Florida State 31 Jonathan Dwyer RB 5'11⅛" 234 Georgia Tech 32 Jared Odrick DT 6'4" 306 Penn State
I would say Mays is not undisciplined but rather that he has trouble reading patterns. He seems to get confused which player is his responsibility. I think it says more about his intelligence on the field than anything about his play.
thanks for posting. these are some of the better lists ive seen so far. good to see. looks like people are finally adjusting their lists to whats happening on the field
One guy who looks vastly overrated to me out there is Patrick Robinson. I'm no fan of anything Florida but Joe Haden looks like a vastly superior player to me. Haden is smooth in coverage flips his hips well. When Robinson is asked to turn and run his technique looks sloppy and he seems to lose his guy. I like Sydquan more then either but when I watch Robinson he looks like a workout warrior type who is really a third round prospect at best.
I'm not a big fan of Patrick Robinson but I'm also not a fan of Joe Haden. I think they're both overrated. Haden is a midget and allows way too many receptions and yards.
I gotta say, it's pretty asinine to try and predict who will go when this early and with this many games left in the NFL season. Teams' final records are not written in stone, and so team needs have not been determined yet. Oh well, leave it up to ESPN to do this kind of stuff this early on, and it might as well be New Year's or next February in ESPN's calendar.
Not to mention this isn't a "where they will be drafted" prediction ... these are just two sources rating/ranking the top X number of draft eligible players in college football
Amen. I posted this earlier. The Cornerback position in this draft is weak. I wouldn't draft Haden, Dowling, Trevard Lindley or anyone else in Round 1; I like Brandon Ghee out of Wake Forest in Round 2. A guy like Javier Arenas intrgiues me because he is multi-talented. Patrick Robinson is overrated in my eyes. Luckily for us we got two marvels in Vontae Davis and Sean Smith last April...
Bruce Carter is a friggin awesome linebacker. Instinctive, high intensity playmaker! If we switched to a 4-3 I'd love to have him if our offensive targets are gone. I said before the year started that Morgan was a possible top 10 pick, but now he looks like he could be top 5. He's almost as much of an impact player as Suh and Berry, and I'd definitely switch to a 4-3 for him and Wake together!! Holy crap!! What a nightmare they would be!! I still feel he could potentially play hybrid. If guys like Woodley can do it, so can Morgan. He's the best overall DE of the past 2 drafts IMO. Posted via Mobile Device
having a guy like Arenas can only make you better. I'd be very happy getting him in the 3rd. Posted via Mobile Device
Small college Db's to watch for us are Scot McGee and Kelvin Rogers. With Db's this season I'm trying to keep an eye on those that are good prospects who can also return punts and kickoffs.
They are both midgets who give up completions lol. As I said in another thread, Robinson doesn't look any bigger than Syd'Quan Thompson to me.
Yep, Carter is very good. A seriously underrated 1st round talent. He's outplaying his much more heralded LB mate in Quan Sturvidant.
I didn't mean to imply that Robinson has size going for him. He doesn't. He looks smaller than his listings to me. They're both small but to me Haden looks more wafer thin.
