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Those are guys I'm interested in (in regards to our team).

I like Bowman a lot, but can't see him in a 3-4 given his size. I like Odrick as a 3-4 DE, but I think we have too much depth there to use a 1st rd pick (not that he is even worth our 1st, just in general). If we used a 1st on a DL player it better be Suh or McCoy.

Dwyer is a guy I really like, but again, not for us in rd 1.

I find it interesting Terrance Cody is nowhere to be found on list this year.

 

I think all the jello he eats goes right to his feet, b/c that's what they look like they're made of. LOL. He just can't move em. It seems like he just leans forward and tries to use his weight to push you back..... as I'm typing this, he was just pancaked by Rishaw Johnson, Soph guard from Ole Miss. That was a sight to see!! Rishaw on top of Cody.... WOW. If it were a pile-on, I don't think even Julio Jones would be able to jump on top!!

I'm putting Cody in the boom/bust category, emphasis on bust for now (which is unrelated to jiggly boobies).

 

I agree with you, just he was top 15 on everyone's list last year, and now no one wants to back him.

 

1. Carlos Dunlap* DE Florida 96
2. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 96
3. Eric Berry* S Tennessee 96
4. Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma 95
5. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 95
6. Jake Locker* QB Washington 94
7. Russell Okung OT Okla. State 94
8. Taylor Mays S USC 94
9. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 6-5
10. Dez Bryant* WR Okla. State 93
11. Rolando McClain* ILB Alabama 93
12. Joe Haden* CB Florida 93
13. Greg Hardy DE Mississippi 92
14. Marvin Austin* DT N. Carolina 92
15. Jahvid Best* RB California 92
16. Navorro Bowman* OLB Penn State 92
17. Arrelious Benn* WR Illinois 92
18. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 91 (A Tiger fan can wish can't he! LOL)
19. Colt McCoy QB Texas 91
20. Brandon LaFell WR LSU 91
21. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 91
22. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 91
23. Arthur Jones DT Syracuse 90
24. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 90
25. Jimmy Clausen* QB Notre Dame 90
26. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 90
27. Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 90
28. Jonathan Dwyer* RB Georgia Tech 90
29. Ricky Sapp DE Clemson 90
30. Jevan Snead* QB Mississippi 89
31. Javier Arenas CB Alabama 89

 

I'm definitely one of the guilty party. Guess he made a mistake by not entering last year. Maybe if he eats the top 32 prospects he could tip-toe back into the 1st round. LOL

 

Joe Haden would be a great fit for us but our need for a Corner is not high right now. I like Spikes and Cody as first rd picks as of now tho. Free Agency will tell us alot

 

Stitch... I found this disturbingly entertaining. Here are some pics that Nick Saban took of Cody at Bama's summer team get-away. Not sure Saban wanted these to leak out though:

VVV notice this poor guy top left.... trying to not become a bobber as he turns to dash for higher ground!! Ooops, too slow!!




Resultingly, Cody was fined $47,000 by the Wildlife and Game Commission for being 10,000 fish over the 6 catch limit.

 

Colt McCoy is NOT a first round talent. I've had to see him play a few times this season, and I doubt we'd go for a QB anyway, but if we did I pray it isn't McCoy.

 

Wake me up when Carlos Dunlap actually does something. I have NO good idea why he's top of ANY list.

 

He absolutely is a first round talent.

 

Ricky Sapp? You can't trust him. Goes missing far too often.

 

You're absolutely right. He does go missing here and there, but he's been consistently improving and narrowing the gap on that. The GT game surprised me and showed that he has the ability to play the run MUCH better than I expected. The BC game he was ACC "Defensive player of the week" holding BC to 54 yards of total offense. He's still growing into his frame, and I really do feel he's just an all around late bloomer, Boomer. LOL.

He was a major 5 star recruit coming into Clemson and had appeared to not live up to the bill so far, but he has all the physical/athletic tools you could ask for and has flashed that "the ability" is lurking beneath. I'm one of those people who feel that if you show me you can do it once, you can do it again.... only it's up to your own inner drive for how often you make that happen. Then I try to narrow down whether or not the player actually has that drive/hunger... and whether they have the capacity. I actually feel Sapp now has both, which is what might separate him from Dunlap. I know he's an intelligent kid (Academic Honor Roll), and the GT game showed me that he's very coachable and can effectively translate that to the field.

To me he has seemed like one of those jocks who coasted on talent alone.... but then the light came on and realized that talent alone won't cut it if he wants to be as good of a pro as he was in HS. If I didn't think the light came on, then I'd be completely agreeing with you that he's much too risky. He's a great teammate, a good kid, and plays with desire... so for now my gut says he will reach his potential. He's got a lot of room for improvement like you point out, but IMO he just needs a little time to tie it all together. However if it's between Sapp and Derrick Morgan, I'm takin the Tech boy.

 

He's got him ranked! Haha I can't blame Kiper. Pierre-Paul is so ridiculously talented.

I love Locker's game. So impressive.

Anyone else find it funny that whenever someone is asked about Mays, that's the only thing they can say about him?

 

He's definately overrated.

 

5 Taylor Mays
S 6-3 235
Analysis: Linebacker size and cornerback speed and..... DLineman knack for INT's. Last week: 7

 

They must be measuring Jerry Hughes's height with cleats on. LOL.

 

Still wondering how Heyward does not make anyones list.

 

How is Carlos Dunlap at 3?

 

Speaking of which: How is Suh behind McCoy? I'm awfully busy at the moment, so I haven't caught anything of McCoy yet but I have caught Suh and boy am I digging the guy. McCoy can't be better. Can he?

 

I think so. I like McCoy's dominance at a five technique and playing the interior.

 

Paid someone off?

 

They're hard to split, but yes, McCoy is THAT good.

 

I like Joe Haden, but he seems a little high to me.

 

The NFL Draft is still as much about potential as it is about skill and both Taylor Mays and Carlos Dunlap have about as much potential as I've seen. I've yet to see them have severe on-field lulls, lax effort or stupidity...I'll err on the side of optimism for those two for now. We're still early in this thing.

Joe Haden is a guy that's going to fall down the boards because of size. Probably won't time out as freakishly well as he'd need to at that size.

I agree that I wouldn't trust Ricky Sapp.

Not ready to trust Okung yet either.

It's only October and already I see a lot of GOOD players down at the bottom of the first round and on into the third round. This is going to be a hell of a draft.

 

With what? UF football players can't have an income.

 

I completely agree with the analysis. I like Bradford's arm and I've seen him make very quality throws outside the numbers and down the field.

 

Me too. I'll tell you why; he has outstanding footwork.

 

Agreed and very underrated mobility.

 

Well, no "guru" but I would not touch Bradford.

This may sound odd, but he is what I'd call "thin framed" his duarbility imho will always be rather poor because he does not have the frame to pack on good weight to help to avoid injuries, he is built bird thin.

 

I agree he is thin and his durability is a question mark. I was simply going off of what I saw from his talents. I still like him however. I just think he could end up having an injury riddled career like Matt Schaub or he could end up having a healthy career.

 

I believe Chandelier Schaub is a bit taller than Bradford?

Bradford is built like a flyweight Boxer.

If one looks at the "box" from shoulder to shoulder in width and depth, Bradford is really thin, and OU plays out of the shotgun which sort of discounts the normal "if a Qb has X starts and X completition percentage they will be a good NFL Qb" formula

 

Schaub is an inch taller.

The biggest concern for me watching Bradford last year was can he make the transition to under center and how does he react with a collapsed pocket. His pocket was clean as a whistle last year. This year, he takes two hits and he's injured. It's a concern -- we'll see how it plays out.

 

Funny thing is Lockear has not had the college career that Bradford has had, but is probably a better NFL prospect.

Which sort of brings up a different angle, which Jr's are going to make the jump to the NFL with the prospect of a rookie salary cap looming in 2011?

 

Yeah, Locker's also played on crappy teams though.

I think we'll see quite a few. From QB's, Locker, Clausen, Snead and Bradford will go IMO. I'm still not sure about Case Keenum, Colin Kaepernick and Christian Ponder.

 

Which could be an odd benefit though, he showed he can play on a bad team, he will be drafted by a bad team and he knows how to make plays when things breakdown.

Bradford and McCoy really have not shown they can do that in college.

Should be interesting, Jr's tend to start slowly then come on strong towards the end of the College season, so some of the Jr's who may come out may not have emerged as of yet.

That is a part of the reason why I tend to not watch early season College football games, later in the year is when the men separate from the not prospects.