Kiper vs. Scout Inc
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GunnerNew MemberOPHere are their latest ESPN Big Boards - Discuss :cool:
Kiper:
1 Sam Bradford QB
Analysis: Has underrated arm and great feel for position and is super-accurate.
2 Eric Berry DB
Analysis: Ultimate play maker, in the Ed Reed mold.
3 Carlos Dunlap DE
Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Unlimited upside potential.
4 Gerald McCoy DT
Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead.
5 Ndamukong Suh DT
Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent.
6 Taylor Mays DB
Analysis: LB size and CB speed.
7 Colt McCoy QB
Analysis: Intelligent and resourceful. Can beat you with arm or legs.
8 Russell Okung OT
Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blind-side pass protector.
9 Dez Bryant WR
Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker.
10 Trent Williams OT
Analysis: Quality all-around bookend, moves from RT to LT this season.
11 Arrelious Benn WR
Analysis: Silky smooth, with excellent run-after-catch ability.
12 Jonathan Dwyer RB
Analysis: Power back, adept at breaking off long runs.
13 Jahvid Best RB
Analysis: Versatile, game-breaker supreme.
14 Jevan Snead QB
Analysis: Could have pro career similar to that of former Rebel Eli Manning.
15 Charles Brown OT
Analysis: All the skills you look for in top flight NFL left tackle.
16 Terrence Cody DT
Analysis: Tremendous clogger along the interior.
17 Sean Weatherspoon LB
Analysis: Makes plays all over the field.
18 Greg Hardy DE
Analysis: Difference-maker harassing the QB when at full strength.
19 Damian Williams WR
Analysis: Polished receiver and extremely hard worker.
20 Brandon Graham DE
Analysis: Awesome athlete and force off the edge.
21 Sergio Kindle LB
Analysis: Production finally matched his talent last season.
22 Jerry Hughes DE
Analysis: Prolific pass rusher who could be a 3-4 OLB.
23 Brandon Spikes LB
Analysis: Complete MLB, solid in all areas.
24 C.J. Spiller RB
Analysis: Multi-talented, super fast, electrifying game-breaker.
25 Sean Lee LB
Versatile, instinctive, and tremendously hard-working
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Scouts Inc.
1. Sam Bradford QB
2. Russell Okung OT
3. Gerald McCoy DT
4. Ndamukong Suh DT
5. Taylor Mays S
6. Trent Williams OT
7. Jevan Snead QB
8. Arthur Jones DT
9. Brandon Spikes MLB
10. Greg Hardy DE
11. Brandon LaFell WR
12. Patrick Robinson CB
13. Colt McCoy QB
14. George Selvie DE
15. C.J. Spiller RB
16. Javier Arenas CB
17. Brandon Graham DE
18. Sergio Kindle OLB
19. Jermaine Cunningham DE
20. Mardy Gilyard WR
21. Jermaine Gresham TE
22. Terrence Cody DT
23. Brandon Lang OLB
24. Syd'Quan Thompson CB
25. Jerry Hughes OLB
26. Tim Tebow QB
27. Trevard Lindley CB
28. Ricky Sapp DE
29. Dennis Pitta TE
30. Nate Allen S
31. Garrett Graham TE
32. Rod Muckelroy OLB
Kiper:
1 Sam Bradford QB
Analysis: Has underrated arm and great feel for position and is super-accurate.
Underrated mobility IMO.
6 Taylor Mays DB
Analysis: LB size and CB speed.
Overrated.
10 Trent Williams OT
Analysis: Quality all-around bookend, moves from RT to LT this season.
I've watched him a couple times and I worry about his inability to get off the line quickly. Maybe that'll
change this year but last year, it was something that stood out to me.
ToddsPhinsNew Member2nd what you said Alen.
it's also nice to see someone else (Scoutsinc) is very high on Sapp. LOL.
I have a bad gut feeling about McCoy right now.
Best is way too high on Kiper's board IMO. He's a change of pace 3rd down back to me.
Dunlap has yet to wow me so far.
Is ScoutsInc only using Seniors for this list?
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Stitchesluxury_box"ToddsPhins wrote:
2nd what you said Alen.
it's also nice to see someone else (Scoutsinc) is very high on Sapp. LOL.
I have a bad gut feeling about McCoy right now.
Best is way too high on Kiper's board IMO. He's a change of pace 3rd down back to me.
Dunlap has yet to wow me so far.
Is ScoutsInc only using Seniors for this list?
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That's what I was thinking, except Bradford is a JR(RS).
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
Boomerluxury_boxI wouldn't trust Ricky Sapp as far as I could chuck him.
And Taylor Mays is Roy Williams part 2.
I am the sweat not the swagger.
HardKoreXXXNew MemberWhere the F is Eric Berry on Scouts Inc. list?
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Roman529New Member"Gunner wrote:
26. Tim Tebow QB
With the 26th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select, Tim Tebow, Quarterback, University of Florida Gators.
Tim Tebow, "First of all I would like to thank the good Lord upstairs for providing me with everything I have in life. My football skills are because of the man upstairs who has blessed me all my life........"
:yes: That's what is gonna happen!!!! We can use a high character, 6'4" 245 pound QB who refuses to lose and who even Chuck Norris is afraid of.
Stitchesluxury_box"Roman529 wrote:
With the 26th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select, Tim Tebow, Quarterback, University of Florida Gators.
Tim Tebow, "First of all I would like to thank the good Lord upstairs for providing me with everything I have in life. My football skills are because of the man upstairs who has blessed me all my life........"
:yes: That's what is gonna happen!!!! We can use a high character, 6'4" 245 pound QB who refuses to lose and who even Chuck Norris is afraid of.
If we're taking a QB who is around 6'4" and over 235 lbs, it better be Tim Hiller.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
Boomerluxury_box"HardKoreXXX wrote:
Where the F is Eric Berry on Scouts Inc. list?
It's a seniors list and he's a junior. Same reason why Morgan Burnett isn't on there.
I am the sweat not the swagger.
"Boomer wrote:
I wouldn't trust Ricky Sapp as far as I could chuck him.
And Taylor Mays is Roy Williams part 2.
I find it very interesting that Pete Carroll has so much trust in Taylor Mays as the centerfielder in the Cover 1 when he's not shy about over-pursuing and decision making. I know Mays can run and has solid range but he's shown in the past he's undisciplined at times.
GunnerNew Member"Roman529 wrote:
With the 26th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select, Tim Tebow, Quarterback, University of Florida Gators.
Tim Tebow, "First of all I would like to thank the good Lord upstairs for providing me with everything I have in life. My football skills are because of the man upstairs who has blessed me all my life........"
:yes: That's what is gonna happen!!!! We can use a high character, 6'4" 245 pound QB who refuses to lose and who even Chuck Norris is afraid of.
I haven't gotten a chance to see him play yet this season ... has mechanics improved any? Or is he still Bernie Kosar-ish?
If we pick a Gator in the 1st round, I'd rather it be a certain inside LB :up:
ToddsPhinsNew Member"Boomer wrote:
I wouldn't trust Ricky Sapp as far as I could chuck him.
And Taylor Mays is Roy Williams part 2.
Youre probably expecting some oposition from me, but despite being a Clemson fan, i'd have to agree with you.....about Mays. :tongue2: LOL
Just kidding. Sapp is playing like late 1st round talent but until I see him healthy and consistent for an entire season, I don't look at him till the late 2nd-3rd at the earliest He's a great individual and an awesome teammate, but like the little leprechaun said (Lou Holtz)- I don't have love at first sight when considering a top pick. LOL
So far through 2 games, he's playing like a top DE. He's athletic, explosive, and fluid enough to develop into a very good Hybrid....if he has the instincts and awareness for it. IMO of course. ;)
BuckeyeKingNew Member"Roman529 wrote:
With the 26th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select, Tim Tebow, Quarterback, University of Florida Gators.
Tim Tebow, "First of all I would like to thank the good Lord upstairs for providing me with everything I have in life. My football skills are because of the man upstairs who has blessed me all my life........"
:yes: That's what is gonna happen!!!! We can use a high character, 6'4" 245 pound QB who refuses to lose and who even Chuck Norris is afraid of.
No please no.
ToddsPhinsNew MemberI know Greg Hardy has a bum wheel, but he seems awkward when he runs, almost uncoordinated and clumsy'ish...like his cleats were dipped in wet cement before the game. For his sake, I hope it's just his leg.
B/C, you know the "13 year old bully" in movies who gets surprised with a punch to the beak.... and then starts bawling, and turns and runs away with his arms and legs flailing around like wet noodles....that's what Hardy reminded me of tonight. LOL. Someone please tell me it's just his injury. ;)
ToddsPhinsNew Member"Gunner wrote:
I haven't gotten a chance to see him play yet this season ... has mechanics improved any? Or is he still Bernie Kosar-ish?
If we pick a Gator in the 1st round, I'd rather it be a certain inside LB :up:
His mechanics are virtually identical to last year.
Boomerluxury_boxBy virtually identical you mean bad.
I am the sweat not the swagger.
HardKoreXXXNew Member"ToddsPhins wrote:
His mechanics are virtually identical to last year.
Yup. And as much as I like Tebow, I think he would be horrible under center. While he is very mobile, he has trouble feeling the blitz at times.
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"ToddsPhins wrote:
I know Greg Hardy has a bum wheel, but he seems awkward when he runs, almost uncoordinated and clumsy'ish...like his cleats were dipped in wet cement before the game. For his sake, I hope it's just his leg.
B/C, you know the "13 year old bully" in movies who gets surprised with a punch to the beak.... and then starts bawling, and turns and runs away with his arms and legs flailing around like wet noodles....that's what Hardy reminded me of tonight. LOL. Someone please tell me it's just his injury. ;)
It is an injury. He's basically played on one leg because of an ankle sprain. He looked alright last night, I felt. When the game started, it was clear that the injury was hampering him as he looked to struggle running laterally but as the game went on, he got more comfortable and was in the pocket a few times. He sacked Garcia once to end a drive and force a punt. It seems like there's very few things that can prevent him from producing. He played with a stress fracture last year I believe and still racked up 8.5 sacks in 9 games in which he had a limited snap count.
Also, it's said that Greg Hardy has put on weight this year as he's up to 275. I thought it was noticeable as he looked to have thicker hips.
"Boomer wrote:
By virtually identical you mean bad.
Awful.
ToddsPhinsNew Member"Boomer wrote:
By virtually identical you mean bad.
:sidelol:
Yeah...I guess you could say that. LOL
I am amazed at the extent of his accuracy with the floaters he throws. It can't be easy accounting for all the normal issues related to getting the ball to your receiver PLUS having to factor in the trajectory of a duck, too. :D
anlgpNew Member:praying: that we don't go QB round one this upcoming draft
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ToddsPhinsNew Member"anlgp wrote:
:praying: that we don't go QB round one this upcoming draft
I'm curious on everyone elses thoughts.... I don't see us going into next season with 3 QB's (Henne, Pat, and 2010 rookie) who have zero to very little real time experience. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
If we don't re-sign Penny to back up Henne the starter (being optimistic), then I think we'll sign a vet in FA who can serve as an experienced backup should Henne go down. Our guys are too young/inexperienced, so there has to be a veteran in the mix. So I'd be shocked to see us take a QB earlier than the 4th b/c I doubt we want to carry 4 QB's.... unless we spend a flyer on one in 5-7 and hope that he has a good enough preseason to show some damn good potential.
GISHforum_veteranI'll take Mays over any of our current safeties. We need someone who plays on instincts, and takes risks to make big plays. All great safeties take risks. I wouldn't throw Mays under the bus because he is willing to do that. With good coaching (which i think we have), he can be great.
Does this not look good?
GISH, that's a nice graphic but I hope it doesn't come true next April.
ToddsPhinsNew Member"GISH wrote:
I'll take Mays over any of our current safeties. We need someone who plays on instincts, and takes risks to make big plays. All great safeties take risks. I wouldn't throw Mays under the bus because he is willing to do that. With good coaching (which i think we have), he can be great.
Does this not look good?
So Mays doesn't have good coaching at USC now? :dunno: I didn't know Berry is more productive bc he has better coaching. :dunno: :tongue2:
Wait....if taking more risks=making bigger plays... and Mays takes more risks as you say....so if he's taking more risks then why isn't he making more plays?:headscratch: just givin ya a hard time, Gish. LOL
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