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keeping the best five without disruption?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Oct 3, 2014.

  1. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    lt-Albert lg-Colledge center-Satele rg-Pouncey rt-James
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    what do you think of moving Pouncey to guard & leaving Satele @ center?
     
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  2. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    I think you keep Pouncey at center where he's best. I'd personally have the players at their best position instead of two spots where guys are just ok.
     
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  3. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Pouncey played guard at the university. Satele has been more than adequate at center & is among the best five to start. the problem, is at rg not center. seems as if it would be a consideration to me. minimal change on an offensive line already in sinc.

    lt-Albert lg-Colledge center-Satele rg-Pouncey rt-James
     
  4. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Its an interesting idea. The argument against it is that Pouncey impact at center will help elevate the play at both guard positions.
     
  5. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    I agree the weakest point in the line is at RG. Satele has had a solid year so far.
     
  6. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    I can see both sides of the coin. Satele has been an adequate center but Pouncey has the potential to be a great center. I just wonder if Jim Langer and Dwight Stevenson would have been hall of fame players or ring of honor members if they had been moved to the guard position instead of their Center Positions? I don't know if I would rather have an adequate offensive line or a great offensive lineman?
     
  7. dolfan40

    dolfan40 Well-Known Member

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    Why should we move a Pro Bowl center to guard that is absurd..
     
  8. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    If it helps Pouncy stay healthy for now.
     
  9. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I think there might be some legitimacy to moving Pouncey to guard because it seems Satele has been pretty solid with the line calls and Pouncey hasn't played in this offense yet.
     
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  10. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    While I get the idea... we aren't going to bring back Pouncey from injury while simultaneously make him switch positions...

    Bring him back where hes comfortable... and where he has proven he can be dominant and impactful.
     
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  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    He's impactful because of his talent. That talent can be utilized at guard. The problem with him at center is line calls, where Satele has been impactful. He hasn't played in this offense yet, so i don't think switching positions matters as much.

    Granted I could be wrong, I just worry that our line is playing pretty good right now and this could be a massive change.....
     
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  12. Jagfish

    Jagfish Season Ticket Holder

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    Dallas Thomas is a liability at RG. I think it works only if Pouncey buys in to the switch. He is a great center he'd be a great guard IMHO.
     
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  13. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Mike Pouncey isn't going to be any lesser a player at either of the Guard positions. He's not undersized/under-powered, or athletically mismatched. We're not talking about a 6'2" 290 pound guy who gets by on pluck and technical skill. I'd be just fine with McCoy, Suh, or Atkins coming hard over Pouncey's outside shoulder.

    I think you should be seriously considering benching Daryn Colledge(who has been bad) and put Pouncey at LG and let Satele continue at Center over the BYE.
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hmmmm, it's not an easy question to answer if your trying to figure out what combination gives you more talent on the line Long term, but we're trying to win a division here...I want really good players at those positions, especially when it comes to facing interior pressure, we can't forget how teams have beat us..

    If Satele is playing well then let him compete at guard with Thomas, Colledge, Smith and Turner.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do we really think the difference that satele has over Pouncey at center is worth a position switch for a 25 year old pro bowl center?

    We know that Pouncey will be an upgrade over Satele, we know that Pouncey would be an upgrade over either guard, IDFK.

    How bout we just chalk it up to having good depth behind Pouncey.
     
  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    He's an upgrade at skill, but is he an upgrade calling the line?
     
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  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Could be part of the OL run blocking success is Satele making the line calls. Satele's shotgun snaps are automatic.
    Pouncey has improved a lot in his shotgun snaps, but he had several bad ones early in his career.
    Pouncey is a pro bowl center, that is true. He'd be a pro bowl guard too, and has said as much.
    IMO, the interior three should be made up of the 3 best pass blockers, and aligned where there is the most net gain.
    If they asked me, I'd say leave Colledge and Satele where they are and plug in Pouncey at RG.
     
  18. djphinfan

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    IDK fin, I don't think any of us can make that determination without being in the inside..we know he's not that smart but I don't know what that means in terms of his football intellect or capacity..
     
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  19. GARDENHEAD

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    Satele could turn into a pumpkin. You never know.....
     
  20. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    I don't think you switch your pro-bowl center and risk pissing him off after he's worked hard to come back so quickly. you put him at center and let Satele either compete at a guard position or provide top level depth at the 3 interior positions.
     
  21. Disgustipate

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    Satele has a very narrow range of stuff he does well, but he can do very well when he's put in a position to do those things. He's quite good when asked to move in the run game, and with certain types of pass protection. He sucks when he gets away from doing those things. That's why we've seen him switch teams so many times despite playing well at times and being promising. You put that at jeopardy in Guard, in my opinion.

    I don't think you lose anything with Pouncey at Guard. I think there's a quite good chance if you gave him the off-season to switch, he could be a high quality player at Tackle ala Damien Woody.
     
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  22. CrunchTime

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    He played G at Florida next to his twin brother who played at center.He was a great All American pulling guard with very good mobility.

     
  23. Bpk

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    Isn't Pouncey in his final year? I don't think I'd pay him what he'll want, so I'd see if I can extract value in a trade rather than get nothing for him at the end of the year. I don't think his return will be the difference.

    That said, Philbin and Hickey need to win now, so they won't trade anyone who could help today, imo.
     
  24. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Dolphins picked up the 5th year option on his contract, so they've got him through the 2015 season. They could choose to cut or trade him after this year with minimum cap ramifications I believe.
     
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  25. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    That's a double-edged sword though. Once he is back this year you're going to use him (obviously) so you have an idea of how the line works with him, but again, no idea what will happen if you shake it up by removing him again. Not interested in rocking the boat once he has re-intergrated with the line.

    Now, if he retrurns and plays well, but the overall line play is poor, then maybe you consider moving him anyways.

    Hell, I dunno. Money will dictate this at the end of the day -- unless he does something VERY dumb and PR considerations become relevant.
     
  26. Tin Indian

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    No, leave Pouncey at Center where he belongs. If you want to try something try Satele at Guard. That would make more sense.
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    The offensive line has performed well in many aspects, but I do not think its good enough to essentially keep as-is, despite the talent level.
     
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  28. jdang307

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    Don't guards make more money than centers? Be smart business wise for Pouncey to move over ...

    I'd do it in a heartbeat if there is no drop off in pounce's play but how do you do that in middle of the season?
     
  29. Ohio Fanatic

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    exactly, people are forgetting how bad we got our *** kicked by Buffalo's defensive line.
     
  30. djphinfan

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    I see what you mean, but do you think Pouncey is gonna give up his career as a center for an average center.?

    I just can't see it happening especially with his contract up..it's a tricky situation, that's why I said you have to be on the inside, I think there are more dynamics in play then just telling him he's gonna do it.

    Im gonna go watch satele in some isolation and come back..if you think he's good enough to where your willing to switch he's got to be playing well..but that's not all,you think Colledge is playing like sh&$ so that's why you want to do it..

    If we think long term, I think Turner is gonna be in the mix at guard..

    Hmm..Albert..Pouncey..Satele..Turner..James...

    Ughhh, idk Pate..my head hurts on this one..
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    With Pouncey your saying that?
     
  32. djphinfan

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    The problem is like Pate said, he has a specific set of skills that seemingly are a fit for center, he's only 6'3 300, pretty small for a guard.
     
  33. Stringer Bell

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    I'm saying the OL currently isn't good enough to say "we are going to put an elite center at guard so we can keep Samson Satele on the field".
     
  34. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    according to the coaching cadre, they will play the five best linesmen.
    no doubt who the five would be, only how to align them:

    lt-Albert lg-Colledge center-Satele rg-Pouncey rt-James
     
  35. RickyBobby

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  36. Alex13

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    i don't think pouncey will have any issues making any line calls, he was on the sideline, in the film room ,he mentally took every snap satele took
     
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  37. FinSane

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    Problem with moving Satele to G is he hasn't played guard since early in college. I fear moving him to G would expose things he doesn't do well, and would indeed put the line at risk. It would take alot longer for him to grasp the position in this offense than it would for Pouncey who played G throughout college until his senior year. I think Pouncey could make a seemless transition to G without much of a hiccup whereas Satele moving there could prove to be a reliability. IMO the best approach for our coaching staff would be to play the 5 best linemen, LT Albert LG Colledge C Satele RG Pouncey RT James. Let Satele continue to make line calls. If Pouncey doesn't like it, we can always trade him. That said, knowing this coaching staff, I doubt they will move him. Most likely they'll bench Satele once Pouncey comes back and we'll continue to struggle at RG. Smith/Thomas isn't getting it done and Turner has been injured all year.
     
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  38. Deus ex dolphin

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    I would be good with this OL, the best we can do this year. I think LG is such a weakness that even with Pouncey playing Pro Bowl level at Center it won't make up for how weak LG will be. I see no reason he would not do well at RG (having played it before) and would no doubt get better as the year goes on. This might even let us keep Tanny upright long enough to win a game against the Bills. That would be a nice change.

    Worse case is Satele struggles at Center and we need to move Pouncey back.
     
  39. Disgustipate

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    I'm not sure how there are no doubts Colledge belongs on the field. He's been Dallas Thomas bad.
     
  40. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    He hasn't been good...but who's better there, Turner if not hurt? Anybody else?
     

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