Just throw Tuaman in the Trenches

It’s all about Fitz at this point, he controls his destiny.keep playing like shit and losing, he gone..let’s see where we’re at after week four.

Burrow is way older, need to get him going sooner.

Also, he has a better surrounding cast and had a more favorable matchup the first few weeks. The Chargers are good but they had to go from LA to Cinci, always tough. Now they are playing the Browns, not exactly a defensive juggernaut. We faced BB on the road and then Buffalo's nasty defense.

If Fitz blows again this week though, Tua time on Thursday Night Football against the Jags.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Burrow is way older, need to get him going sooner.

Also, he has a better surrounding cast and had a more favorable matchup the first few weeks. The Chargers are good but they had to go from LA to Cinci, always tough. Now they are playing the Browns, not exactly a defensive juggernaut. We faced BB on the road and then Buffalo's nasty defense.

If Fitz blows again this week though, Tua time on Thursday Night Football against the Jags.

Very good point.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Burrow is way older, need to get him going sooner.

Also, he has a better surrounding cast and had a more favorable matchup the first few weeks. The Chargers are good but they had to go from LA to Cinci, always tough. Now they are playing the Browns, not exactly a defensive juggernaut. We faced BB on the road and then Buffalo's nasty defense.

If Fitz blows again this week though, Tua time on Thursday Night Football against the Jags.

They wouldn't start him on a short week. And, they will probably wait until after Seattle and San Francisco back to back. Barring any injury to Fitzpatrick of course, I believe he starts week 6.

what could we reasonably expect from Tua if he is thrown in? A lot of pressure on him after all the hype of his signing

"Alan in England wrote:

what could we reasonably expect from Tua if he is thrown in? A lot of pressure on him after all the hype of his signing

If he doesn't throw 8 TD passes his first game he will be labeled a bust.

I don't think it would be prudent to throw Tua out there behind five offensive linemen who've never played together, two of whom are rookies, after an abbreviated preseason.

Get a sense of how that line is going to function and then make the decision about Tua.

Right now this entire team is feeling the difficulty associated with 1) huge amounts of personnel turnover over two years, 2) youth and inexperience all over the roster, and 3) an abbreviated preseason. The fact that they didn't get blown away by New England last week is a testament to coaching.

It would be awful to throw him in soon. In my opinion his ceiling isnt much higher than acceptable starter, best case, to begin with. For the sake of argument though let's say he is going to be great.

There is no way he can or should have a full handle on the offense, especially with all of the new additions already playing together for the first time.

Like it or not, Fitz is going to be the glue that holds the offense together most of the early season at minimum. Hopefully it gets better than last week.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Burrow is way older, need to get him going sooner.

Also, he has a better surrounding cast and had a more favorable matchup the first few weeks. The Chargers are good but they had to go from LA to Cinci, always tough. Now they are playing the Browns, not exactly a defensive juggernaut. We faced BB on the road and then Buffalo's nasty defense.

If Fitz blows again this week though, Tua time on Thursday Night Football against the Jags.

Woah woah woah. You are saying Burrow has a better group around him? That offensive line may be worse than Miami's last year. He has AJ Green and who else? The Cincinnati offense made the Browns look like a defensive juggernaut. No way.

"Grippa wrote:

I hate when we draft a QB in rd one in the draft just to sit behind a old qb that ain’t part of the plan.

watching burrow playing
I can’t help to think to myself why not Tua
( Sporano voice ) when he said whyyy not us

Last time we drafted a QB in round 1 and didn't start him opening week it turn out pretty well, some kid named Marino.

Of all of the dumbest things the Dolphins could do, putting Tagovailoa in now would top them all...including passing on Brees for Culpepper.

Let Carroll Shelby (Flores) fine tune the GT40 (Dolphins offensive unit) before putting Ken Myles (Tagovailoa) behind the wheel.

Fitzpatrick is expendable. Tagovailoa isn’t and putting him in before that offensive unit can play competently is a recipe for yet another Dolphins disaster

"texanphinatic wrote:

Burrow is way older, need to get him going sooner.

Also, he has a better surrounding cast and had a more favorable matchup the first few weeks. The Chargers are good but they had to go from LA to Cinci, always tough. Now they are playing the Browns, not exactly a defensive juggernaut. We faced BB on the road and then Buffalo's nasty defense.

If Fitz blows again this week though, Tua time on Thursday Night Football against the Jags.

Also, the Bengals have no-one else after getting rid of Dalton - as soon as that happened, you knew that Burrow was more than likely to start

Sitting behind a veteran sure seemed to work out ok for Aaron Rodgers.

With Tua’s injury history and hip, I’d rather we give him time. We also don’t have a good OL developed yet to give him the best chance of success. We’re far away from win now so I think we’re in develop now mode.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Of all of the dumbest things the Dolphins could do, putting Tagovailoa in now would top them all...including passing on Brees for Culpepper.

Let Carroll Shelby (Flores) fine tune the GT40 (Dolphins offensive unit) before putting Ken Myles (Tagovailoa) behind the wheel.

Fitzpatrick is expendable. Tagovailoa isn’t and putting him in before that offensive unit can play competently is a recipe for yet another Dolphins disaster

Though our personal thoughts on Tua himself may differ, I agree 100% with what you're saying here.

At minimum the position players should be carrying their own weight ideally before you even think of Tua.

In terms of the OL, it was more promising last week than last season but NE didnt run anything crazy defensively. They just lined up and challenged us for the most part.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Burrow is way older, need to get him going sooner.

Also, he has a better surrounding cast and had a more favorable matchup the first few weeks. The Chargers are good but they had to go from LA to Cinci, always tough. Now they are playing the Browns, not exactly a defensive juggernaut. We faced BB on the road and then Buffalo's nasty defense.

If Fitz blows again this week though, Tua time on Thursday Night Football against the Jags.

Burrow was running for his life last night and still almost brought them back...I think he's going to be the real deal. Hoping Tua will be as well.

The media seems to think if we lose weeks 2-3, Tua will start week 4. I'm not sure if our front office agrees with that.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Though our personal thoughts on Tua himself may differ, I agree 100% with what you're saying here.

At minimum the position players should be carrying their own weight ideally before you even think of Tua.

In terms of the OL, it was more promising last week than last season but NE didnt run anything crazy defensively. They just lined up and challenged us for the most part.

Yeah but by the same token we can't swing the pendulum to the extreme and hold out for some sort of exceptionally good offensive line functioning before Tua is inserted. The vast majority of QBs in the league don't have exceptionally good offensive lines and need to manage pressure themselves. Tua in all likelihood will be one of them, because the odds are that the Dolphins won't have one of the best offensive lines in the league. Russell Wilson has been managing pressure in an exemplary manner, behind a relatively poor offensive line, throughout his career, starting as a rookie third-round pick in 2012. Tua by contrast is a #5 overall pick.

The priority right now, given that the linemen haven't played together before, two of them are rookies, and the preseason was abbreviated, should be to simply ensure the offensive line isn't so poor that it gets Tua hurt or otherwise interferes with his development. Once that hurdle has been cleared, the decision regarding Tua should no longer involve the offensive line. The team shouldn't be holding out until it has the Dallas Cowboys' offensive lines of the 1990s before inserting Tua.

"KeyFin wrote:

Burrow was running for his life last night and still almost brought them back...I think he's going to be the real deal. Hoping Tua will be as well.

The media seems to think if we lose weeks 2-3, Tua will start week 4. I'm not sure if our front office agrees with that.

As long as we are stouter up the middle. I feel the Cinci C spent more time in the backfield than Baker lol. As Guy says, we simply wont have a quintet of All Stars, but we can't have one spot be on skates like that, yeesh.

I still think that as long as the staff is good with his hip status and if Fitz blows again, it's week 3. Not like JVille with no/minimal crowds will be a rough away location and hopefully the team will be amped up for a prime time game. Then you get a home match with Seattle whose defense is just OK these days before the big test going to the west coast to face San Fran.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Though our personal thoughts on Tua himself may differ, I agree 100% with what you're saying here.

At minimum the position players should be carrying their own weight ideally before you even think of Tua.

In terms of the OL, it was more promising last week than last season but NE didnt run anything crazy defensively. They just lined up and challenged us for the most part.

Sunday's game is going to be a true test for the new offensive line, even with Edmunds and Milano out. Buffalo has built a STOUT defense and it's going to be a true test for the OL. If they can offer good consistent protection for Fitzpatrick as well as open up some decent running lanes for Gaskins and Breida, the "GT40" may be well on its way for Tagovailoa to take over...provided he's "driving" well enough to do so.

"The Guy wrote:

Yeah but by the same token we can't swing the pendulum to the extreme and hold out for some sort of exceptionally good offensive line functioning before Tua is inserted. The vast majority of QBs in the league don't have exceptionally good offensive lines and need to manage pressure themselves. Tua in all likelihood will be one of them, because the odds are that the Dolphins won't have one of the best offensive lines in the league. Russell Wilson has been managing pressure in an exemplary manner, behind a relatively poor offensive line, throughout his career, starting as a rookie third-round pick in 2012. Tua by contrast is a #5 overall pick.

The priority right now, given that the linemen haven't played together before, two of them are rookies, and the preseason was abbreviated, should be to simply ensure the offensive line isn't so poor that it gets Tua hurt or otherwise interferes with his development. Once that hurdle has been cleared, the decision regarding Tua should no longer involve the offensive line. The team shouldn't be holding out until it has the Dallas Cowboys' offensive lines of the 1990s before inserting Tua.

I also agree with this.

By carrying their own weight this is sort of what I meant, the phrase is just a little broad to get it across.

Obviously we cant just not play him forever because the parts arent ready and like you said obviously we dont want him killed.

I just want the the team, specifically the line, looking like it isnt a detriment to his development and the skill positions to sort of understand all their assignments a bit better in the offense.

Also I'd say Wilson is a much more elusive athletic QB. He actually has a lot if running capability despite the fact he uses his athleticism mostly to pass.

Tua is more athletic than a standard drop back passer, but i dont know if he has the tools Wilson does to deal with abnormal pressure.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I also agree with this.

By carrying their own weight this is sort of what I meant, the phrase is just a little broad to get it across.

Obviously we cant just not play him forever because the parts arent ready and like you said obviously we dont want him killed.

I just want the the team, specifically the line, looking like it isnt a detriment to his development and the skill positions to sort of understand all their assignments a bit better in the offense.

Also I'd say Wilson is a much more elusive athletic QB. He actually has a lot if running capability despite the fact he uses his athleticism mostly to pass.

Tua is more athletic than a standard drop back passer, but i dont know if he has the tools Wilson does to deal with abnormal pressure.

Wilson is just an example. Dan Marino for example had the quickness of a sloth but he could evade pressure in the pocket with the best of 'em. Same with Brady. QBs have to manage pressure. The pass-rushers are getting paid big too.

"The Guy wrote:

Wilson is just an example. Dan Marino for example had the quickness of a sloth but he could evade pressure in the pocket with the best of 'em. Same with Brady. QBs have to manage pressure. The pass-rushers are getting paid big too.

Not a relevant comparison. Marino took over and led a team that had just appeared in the Super Bowl the prior season...so its not like he was taking over on a team that was horrible the year prior.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Of all of the dumbest things the Dolphins could do, putting Tagovailoa in now would top them all...including passing on Brees for Culpepper.

Let Carroll Shelby (Flores) fine tune the GT40 (Dolphins offensive unit) before putting Ken Myles (Tagovailoa) behind the wheel.

Fitzpatrick is expendable. Tagovailoa isn’t and putting him in before that offensive unit can play competently is a recipe for yet another Dolphins disaster

Now, you just know that good common sense doesn't cut the mustard with some folks with a shiny new toy. It took Ole Carroll a couple of trips to make those GT's actually able to beat the Ferrari's. Let's not do what FORD did and pull the game out from underneath him before he had complete domination. Let's get everybody tuned up, all the parts adjusted, and all properly torqued down, and then see how the newly fired up critter stands up to the long straights and twisted curves. That may take a little time.

"RevRick wrote:

Now, you just know that good common sense doesn't cut the mustard with some folks with a shiny new toy. It took Ole Carroll a couple of trips to make those GT's actually able to beat the Ferrari's. Let's not do what FORD did and pull the game out from underneath him before he had complete domination. Let's get everybody tuned up, all the parts adjusted, and all properly torqued down, and then see how the newly fired up critter stands up to the long straights and twisted curves. That may take a little time.

Agreed. If Tagovailoa is indeed as good as many truly believes he is, then we have GOT to get the offense in sync and working well before putting Tua in. The thing I'm truly looking for is the OL providing Fitzpatrick with DECENT protection and opening up holes for the running backs. If they can show they can consistently perform, THEN you put Tua in. He would have decent protection to work with and be able to transition from the NCAA to the NFL with no excuses. If he flourishes, he flourishes. If he flops, he flops but either way, we'll be able to truly determine his abilities without having to use the excuse, he was running for his life behind a crappy OL.