just another opinion

Revis still has 1 year on his contract, he is not a free agent.

 

Revis isn't a FA, but Jennings, Wallace, and Revis in one FA class? lol.....

 

lol the infatuation with Hartline is getting ridiculous at this point....why in the **** would we retain Hartline if we're signing Wallace and Jennings? Wallace = 11 mil against the cap, Jennings = 7-8 mil, Hartline = 6 mil, you want to commit around 25 mil for those 3 WRs? no that would be pretty stupid. you wanna sign Wallace & Jennings, fine, but instead of spending 5-6 mil on Hartline you can give that money to a pass rusher like Michael Johnson or a corner.

 

Infatuation ? Same guy who said if we dont draft Cordarrelle Patterson he'd be furious??.... lol at the fact you could care less that Hartline's a good player we may have to lose, without knowing if we could replace him. That's ridiculous. Just like an Ireland hater to promote workout warriors and disregard proven players.

Reports are that Hartline and the phins are in talks..... He was our best WR last year, and the only one we can consider at the time. Your talking about one of the better #2 Wrs in the NFL, just because we need a #1 doesnt mean we ignore the other side ! There's a chemistry between him and our QB too. With all this talk about helping Tannehill out.... maybe at least trying to keep him on a respectable deal isnt so ridiculous.

P.S. I want Patterson even more than you do. But I dont promote players that arent dolphins. Patterson is probably going to the Bills or Jets. When is the last time no offensive skill players went in the top 10 picks ?

 

So you want to release players that are free agents already and Trade high picks for a malcontent (Yes he complains and whines every year) CB that we don't know is healthy and sign him to a huge contract? I would pass on him.

I really don't want Wallace at the price he will want, would rather sign Jennings and draft a young WR.

And if we do what you would like, Revis and Smith, those contracts would kill us.

 

you want Revis ? It'll cost you the #12 pick. Maybe they like Odrick with a 2nd & 3rd. That's doable for us.

As for Wallace : do you guys think the latest report that we are targeting him may be related to the Hartline negotiations ?

 

Is he healthy?? Who knows

Will the Jets trade him for us? No

Will the Jets trade him for draft picks is a so so draft? Doubtful

The Wallace stuff is all smoke screens, why in the world would we let everyone know that Wallace is our target? You lose leverage with that, he is not the target unless this is some reverse psychology ploy.

 

how many superbowls have been won by buying a championship? this isn't the Florida Marlins and MLB. Or the Miami Heat and NBA. (weird how it worked for 2/3)

 

They don't need to use the franchise tag on him, he still has a contract. They will not cut him. They might trade him, but certainly not to a division rival.

And I would think there is next to no chance the Dolphins sign Wallace and Jennings if they also re-sign Hartline. That's probably a minimum of $25 million on 3 players at one position. Not likely.

 

Jesus the bengals have a lot of talent for a team that has more cap room than any other team..

I think it was Desides who said it, but I think this year were gonna zig Instead of zag.

 

He's under contract for 2013. If Miami were going to trade for him, the Jets would probably want at least two 1st round picks. Then he could hold out every other year for us like he's done in New York even while under contract. He also wants a new deal already that would make him one of the 5 highest paid players in the NFL, according to some of the reports I've read. The main reason though he won't be a Dolphin is the Jets would not trade him within their own division.

 

lol you didn't refute anything i said. if you sign Wallace and Jennings, Hartline will not and should not be re-signed. period.

 

Uhm... so who plays LT? Martin? Good luck, he wasnt that great at RT. Oh, by the way... if you move Martin to LT, then who plays RT? Maybe after we sign Jennings and Wallace, we can put Hartline there?

In theory, sure it might be a good idea. In reality, no chance in hell.

 

Sean Smith - 8 mil per
Mike Wallace - 12 mil per
Jennings - 8 mil per
Hartline - 6 mil per
Revis - 15 mil per (he wants a bigger contract than Mario Williams)

That's 49,000,000 alone. We're already over the cap, and you haven't even considered rookies. You haven't considered our actual depth signings. This is such an absolutely flawed scenario that I'm simply stunned you thought enough of it to not even post it, but make a brand new thread.

 

Exactly, you will have to forget Revis because that takes the 12th pick(at least) so the best that could be done is take Fisher at LT at 12 or trade down a few spots if possible to fill Longs spot and put Martin back at RT. No way Miami signs both Jennings and Wallace,,a part of me will be surprised if we sign either, but there is a thing called depth. every year someone thinks u can just throw money at a team and win a championship..this isn't hockey,baseball or basketball.

 

Miami having Revis and Wallace under contract would be new-found disaster-land for Miami. All-time low territory.

 

My 2cents.

If we get Wallace and Jennings, Hartline is a casualty. But I am ok with it as we will draft a WR in 2nd or 3rd.

If we trade for Revis we stunt the growth dramatically he is not that young or healthy to pull a Ricky Williams style trade....Lets it happens, then you do not keep Smith, casualty of the move.

Everything is cause and effect when it comes to salary Cap, I like the idea Wallace and Jennings for Hartline major upgrade but the rest is suspect.

I would much rather see us lock down our safeties and sign a stud DE opposite Wake then use the #1 on best Corner if it makes sense or trade back to get a corner but need one in round 1. Use the rest of the early picks to bolster O line and reciever, Sign a veteran RB to split carries with Miller he needs one more year to grow. Sign or draft a stellar TE. I think those moves are feasible and will get us to the post season this year or next.

 

I would rather get Jennings in FA and draft a young Reciever in the 2nd to learn from him. Wallace is a bonafide deep threat but does he do much else? He is also a little of a headcase. I would like to keep Hartline for the right money, but it is not imperative.

 

Keep Hartline at any cost.

 

Thank god you aren't the GM.

 

You have a strange anti Hartline boner going on. He didn't say they'd keep it.

I'd rather have Hartline + Jennings for $16 mil per year than Wallace and Jennings for $20 per. That 4 could go towards signing Chris Houston to replace Sean Smith. Or that 4 will cover at least 50% of the contract you give Michael Johnson, freeing up draft picks to solidify some holes we have at CB and O Line. It leaves open a lot of options.

I'm not a fan of spending a likely 20 million of our unused cap space on two receivers. Not in a draft this deep, on in an offense like ours. There are better places we can use that money. Diminishing returns and all that.

 

I wouldn't.

well if you're really trying to save money then Jennings @ 8 mil/yr and Domenik Hixon @ 2 mil/yr only totals out to 10 mil of the cap. or we could do what I would prefer which is sign Wallace or Jennings and draft Patterson, which is still cheaper than your plan.

 

Revis island sunk into the ocean.

 

Well, first, the Patterson + Wallace scenario there would NOT be cheaper, IMO. Wallace + Patterson = 14 million per year with an insane amount of potential. Jennings + Hartline = 13 million. Jenning + Patterson WOULD be Cheaper with regards to salary cap, but you're conveniently forgetting the lost #12th overall pick. Now you have to add that cost in there, so no, no matter how you slice it, it won't be cheaper

Also, I never said Jennings + Hartline was my preferred plan, I was saying that I'd prefer that one over the other. Don't use straw men, please.

As far as introducing DRAFT picks into the matter, and talking ONLY about Salary Cap savings, I have no idea why some posters seem to talk about draft picks and salary cap money as if they are separate things. We have a solid pool of RESOURCES that include draft picks AND money.

If we needed JUST WRs, then yes, I'd agree with you. However, this is a TEAM. We need other positions. That 12th overall pick is being used on Patterson, which I like, personally. BUT we a void to fill now. A void that we likely wanted a game-changing player (OT/DE) and we'd have to get that player in FA now.

It'd certainly be interesting. Personally I'm a fan of Jennings for 8, Patterson @ #12, Jason Smith @ 4 million per year for 2 years for RT, Michael Johnson @ RDE for $7.5 million per year for 4 years.

I think that's a great allotment of our resources.

 

No worries. Revis for a first round pick is pretty laughable.

 

who is that?