Joy on Cowherd - Start Rosen
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Galantforum_veteranOP
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Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"Galant wrote:
Warm bowl of soup.
That is a great description of Fitzpatrick
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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texanphinaticforum_veteranAbsolutely. Fitzpatrick starting is a failure. Simple as that.
I am hoping that the platitudes are mostly to serve as a "step up and match it" chip Flores is trying to put on Rosen.
I can see maybe a few (like, 2-3) games with Fitz, especially if the line is garbage, but really I'd rather just stick Rosen in, give him the reps, build him up and just fucking go.
We took a flyer on him that - while the value argument can be made - was not really cheap. Put him in and play him. Figure it out.
TheHighExhaultedforum_veteranThe absolute worst thing in the world will be Ryan Fitzpatrick starting Week 1.
Complete waste of time.
Surfs Up 99forum_veteranWho is Joy Taylor?
As for Rosen, he shouldn't start until he EARNS the starting job. Same as everyone else. If he can't earn it, then we know what we have and should draft a QB next year.
Leadership isn't getting people to line up behind you; it is getting them to join you.
Sometimes the journey is as important as the destination.
The little things matter. Winning starts by not beating ourselves.
Mornings are for coffee and contemplation.
Team Tua.
Miami Dolphins Homer!
I really think that this is the only only reasonable take.
I just don't know what starting Fitz accomplishes.
invidsubscriberHe has to beat Fitz out first. Flores laid out a code that the best guy will start, can't go back on it. 2020 QB will still be on the table.
Vertical Limitforum_veteran"Surfs Up 99 wrote:
Who is Joy Taylor?
As for Rosen, he shouldn't start until he EARNS the starting job. Same as everyone else. If he can't earn it, then we know what we have and should draft a QB next year.
A sportscaster that grew up in south florida.. shes a diehard heat/dolphin fan like most of us.
Vertical Limitforum_veteranAs i said in another thread, he is eventually going to get the start... ryan is good for 4 games a season and then he starts throwing interceptions like crazy.. but it would be better if Rosen had a full camp as the starter and start week 1.. see what hes made of
TheHighExhaultedforum_veteranIf Rosen was a rookie I understand letting Fitzpatrick play for a couple of games. But Rosen has started 13 games in this league and we have to get a full season evaluation out of him here. If he starts the last 10 games is that really enough of an evaluation going into the 2020 draft?
Get him out there. Now.
"Surfs Up 99 wrote:
Who is Joy Taylor?
As for Rosen, he shouldn't start until he EARNS the starting job. Same as everyone else. If he can't earn it, then we know what we have and should draft a QB next year.
"Vertical Limit wrote:
A sportscaster that grew up in south florida.. shes a diehard heat/dolphin fan like most of us.
She is also JT's sister!
Vertical Limitforum_veteran"Lloyd Heilbrunn wrote:
She is also JT's sister!
Oh yea that too... forgot to mention it
Surfs Up 99forum_veteran"TheHighExhaulted wrote:
If Rosen was a rookie I understand letting Fitzpatrick play for a couple of games. But Rosen has started 13 games in this league and we have to get a full season evaluation out of him here. If he starts the last 10 games is that really enough of an evaluation going into the 2020 draft?
Get him out there. Now.
Since Flores has been saying from day one that all players have to earn their spot, he would lose all credibility if he just gave Rosen the job if it is evident to the rest of the team he didn't earn it. I get that we need to know if he is a franchise QB or not, but IMO, as HC Flores's reputation is more important. He's making a lot of changes, so he is going to need total buy-in from everybody on the team to make good things happen.
Leadership isn't getting people to line up behind you; it is getting them to join you.
Sometimes the journey is as important as the destination.
The little things matter. Winning starts by not beating ourselves.
Mornings are for coffee and contemplation.
Team Tua.
Miami Dolphins Homer!
Irishmanforum_veteran"Vertical Limit wrote:
A sportscaster that grew up in south florida.. shes a diehard heat/dolphin fan like most of us.
That would explain why she sounds like some of our posters.
Irishmanforum_veteran"TheHighExhaulted wrote:
If Rosen was a rookie I understand letting Fitzpatrick play for a couple of games. But Rosen has started 13 games in this league and we have to get a full season evaluation out of him here. If he starts the last 10 games is that really enough of an evaluation going into the 2020 draft?
Get him out there. Now.
Because those 13 games were catastrophic for the team and the player.
There is a reason why Rosen went thru 3 coaches last year and was going to be under another coach this year if the team kept him - and it had little to do with what Rosen brought to the game, since the game plan was laid out by the coaches, not the players.
HooligansubscriberThis season is not JUST about evaluating a QB, we're trying to build a team and develop chemistry. The team development is much more important than any one player.
This is a moot debate anyway. Give Fitz all first team snaps in training camp and then start the season with Rosen? Broadcast loud and clear that we're tanking the season? Not going to happen unless Rosen shows something. Let's see what pre-season looks like first.
TheHighExhaultedforum_veteran"Hooligan wrote:
This season is not JUST about evaluating a QB, we're trying to build a team and develop chemistry. The team development is much more important than any one player.
This is a moot debate anyway. Give Fitz all first team snaps in training camp and then start the season with Rosen? Broadcast loud and clear that we're tanking the season? Not going to happen unless Rosen shows something. Let's see what pre-season looks like first.
I don't want this team building chemistry with Ryan Fitzpatrick so they can go 7-9.
Fin Dforum_veteranHow can they start Rosen if he doesn't earn it, all while getting the other players earning their jobs?
TheHighExhaultedforum_veteran"Fin D wrote:
How can they start Rosen if he doesn't earn it, all while getting the other players earning their jobs?
If they're 1-3 to start the season with Fitzpatrick it won't matter whether he deserves it or not. The fanbase and front office will be screaming for Rosen to start.
If the job is is at least within striking distance for Rosen he better start the season. We don't need to see Fitzpatrick for 4 games.
Galantforum_veteranI think we all are just going to have to sit back and watch. This is a different head coach with what clearly seems to be a different philosophy. When he says they're going to try to win I believe him, and so I do think he'll field the best QB and team every time. If that's not Rosen then that's the end of the Rosen discussion. The question then becomes - what about our record? How can we get our QB if we don't finish with a high draft pick?
And the answer to that is, I suspect, that Flores isn't interested in jockeying for draft position. They'll seek to make it work wherever they pick - thus they're going to need to have excellent draft selection and player development.
I think Flores would rather face that puzzle than field a less competitive team.
The Patriots have gone years without a high draft pick so it wouldn't surprise me if Flores doesn't feel that need nor want to play that game.
The other thing to bear in mind is that they could be aware that their QB will come in 2021, not next year. As such they could aim to amass more picks this year even with no low draft pick, and thereby gain draft ammunition for a high pick over two years without tanking...
Ultimately only time will tell but so far I think Flores looks like a man who will stick to his guns.
"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
Patster1969subscriber"Surfs Up 99 wrote:
As for Rosen, he shouldn't start until he EARNS the starting job. Same as everyone else. If he can't earn it, then we know what we have and should draft a QB next year.
This 100%
Fin Dforum_veteran"TheHighExhaulted wrote:
If they're 1-3 to start the season with Fitzpatrick it won't matter whether he deserves it or not. The fanbase and front office will be screaming for Rosen to start.
If the job is is at least within striking distance for Rosen he better start the season. We don't need to see Fitzpatrick for 4 games.
Right, at that point a change is warranted.
But you cannot give Player Y the starting job if they aren't outperforming Player X, and expect to get the other players to buy in....especially in your first year as coach.
HooligansubscriberIf Rosen had been OUR first round draft pick I could understand the need to rush him into the game to see what he's got. In reality, it's highly likely that he's not the man and all he ever was is a cheap roll of the dice. If he can't beat out a "career backup" in training camp then he's not ready and if he's not steady developing then he likely never will be. I trust Flores to make the call.
Deus ex dolphinforum_veteran"invid wrote:
He has to beat Fitz out first. Flores laid out a code that the best guy will start, can't go back on it. 2020 QB will still be on the table.
Win 6-7 games with Fitzmagic and you are out of draft position to grab a top QB in 2020. Then what? Trade away 1-2 future first round picks to move up (along with most of your 2020 picks in the first three rounds)? Don't grab a QB in 2020 and start Fitzmagic for another season?
Fitzmagic can win just enough to keep you from grabbing a top QB, but not enough to take the team to the playoffs. It's a terrible position to be in. Yes, he is better than Rosen at this point, but you'd expect that from a veteran QB. I wouldn't give Fitzmagic more than four games before letting Josh take over and either he shows something or tanks the season and Miami ends up with a top 3 pick in 2020.
As has been noted by some posters, making a change if Fitzmagic does not have a losing record will be difficult to do. Miami backed themselves into a corner on this.
A terrible play call, terribly executed.
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