Josh Rosen Thread (merged threads)

I'm going out on a limb and say that I think Josh Rosen probably just doesn't enjoy cliche answers and that in an NFL world where you're only allowed to give those kind of responses it can sometimes make him appear a weird combination of both overly-confident and unprepared.

Just by comparison, Tannehill seemed to be able to make it through his pressers without flinching. Something about Rosen makes me think he's trying to avoid sinking to the level of "player-speak." I think he wants to be real with people but he's really unsure of what he's allowed to say and divulge.

He's undoubtedly got perspective, but at the same time he's not the best guy at the mic either. I think it would do him good if he thought out his responses a little bit so he didn't come off as unprepared. There are a lot of hesitations and "...ugh..." moments in his responses where he's trying to be honest but phrase it carefully.

There are guys with the gift of gab that can be honest and not hurt feelings. Josh Rosen however, is probably not that guy. Like 99% of people, he needs to measure what he says in front of the mic.

I see a guy up there who's being forced to answer a lot of predictable and somewhat insulting questions using the kind of verbiage he probably feels is beneath him.

I think he says too much for his own good. He's probably too honest up there. He'll learn. I think within a year he'll hate the media as much as any good player.

The media is not going to be nice to any young player who gives honest answers. They want the most humble of humble. Anything less is somehow out of line.

I can see it being awkward for a guy like Rosen.

"Finatik wrote:

My biggest concern is that were only 1 spot below the Cards with our O line and we did little to rectify that. It might be Rosen 2.0 with our line and not really see what this kid has.

Once again OL is a concern, but I will say this, if there's one unit that is affected heavily by coaching it's the OL. Talent matters but I have to say I'm very curious to see what a different coaching staff can achieve in terms of OL play simply by better scheming and cohesive play.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

I'm going out on a limb and say that I think Josh Rosen probably just doesn't enjoy cliche answers and that in an NFL world where you're only allowed to give those kind of responses it can sometimes make him appear a weird combination of both overly-confident and unprepared.

Just by comparison, Tannehill seemed to be able to make it through his pressers without flinching. Something about Rosen makes me think he's trying to avoid sinking to the level of "player-speak." I think he wants to be real with people but he's really unsure of what he's allowed to say and divulge.

He's undoubtedly got perspective, but at the same time he's not the best guy at the mic either. I think it would do him good if he thought out his responses a little bit so he didn't come off as unprepared. There are a lot of hesitations and "...ugh..." moments in his responses where he's trying to be honest but phrase it carefully.

There are guys with the gift of gab that can be honest and not hurt feelings. Josh Rosen however, is probably not that guy. Like 99% of people, he needs to measure what he says in front of the mic.

I see a guy up there who's being forced to answer a lot of predictable and somewhat insulting questions using the kind of verbiage he probably feels is beneath him.

I think he says too much for his own good. He's probably too honest up there. He'll learn. I think within a year he'll hate the media as much as any good player.

The media is not going to be nice to any young player who gives honest answers. They want the most humble of humble. Anything less is somehow out of line.

I can see it being awkward for a guy like Rosen.

Agree with almost everything. He definitely is not a smooth operator with the press - you can almost see him struggling to field inane questions and not say what he really wants to say. He is obviously a smart guy who considers things in a different way than your stereotypical imbecile football player. The past few days have been a whirlwind for him, he was just hitting homeruns in Arizona last night, now he has to fly to Miami and face one of the most low-rent, anti-intellectual sports media in the country - that is a tall order. I can see how his style may rub some the wrong way - a mix of new-age social media upbringing, being highly intelligent, coming from a well-off background, a bit socially awkward...it is definitely a unique package. At the end of the day, little of it will matter if he balls out. No one that matters will care how he answers questions. if he ever solidifies himself as a big time starter, I am sure he is going to royally mind-fukc the press.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

I'm going out on a limb and say that I think Josh Rosen probably just doesn't enjoy cliche answers and that in an NFL world where you're only allowed to give those kind of responses it can sometimes make him appear a weird combination of both overly-confident and unprepared.

Just by comparison, Tannehill seemed to be able to make it through his pressers without flinching. Something about Rosen makes me think he's trying to avoid sinking to the level of "player-speak." I think he wants to be real with people but he's really unsure of what he's allowed to say and divulge.

He's undoubtedly got perspective, but at the same time he's not the best guy at the mic either. I think it would do him good if he thought out his responses a little bit so he didn't come off as unprepared. There are a lot of hesitations and "...ugh..." moments in his responses where he's trying to be honest but phrase it carefully.

There are guys with the gift of gab that can be honest and not hurt feelings. Josh Rosen however, is probably not that guy. Like 99% of people, he needs to measure what he says in front of the mic.

I see a guy up there who's being forced to answer a lot of predictable and somewhat insulting questions using the kind of verbiage he probably feels is beneath him.

I think he says too much for his own good. He's probably too honest up there. He'll learn. I think within a year he'll hate the media as much as any good player.

The media is not going to be nice to any young player who gives honest answers. They want the most humble of humble. Anything less is somehow out of line.

I can see it being awkward for a guy like Rosen.

I see the same thing and see it as extremely positive. He's a very smart guy, who could give very good, insightful answers to questions that are asked of him. I would love to be able to get full honesty. But because of the world that we live in, we aren't allowed to have that. Its a shame.

But give me a very smart player who has to bite his tongue over a dumb one who can't do more than recite what he's told any day of the week. Those are the pressers that drive me nuts, when it doesn't seem like the player could even come up with the standard non-answers on his own without help.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Does anyone honestly believe that second round pick was integral to our rebuild? So much so that taking a shot at a talented young QB was a bad idea?

I really cant understand the logic of not taking a chance at a QB when people have been screaming for it.

We got what IMO would be the best QB in this draft easily. I'm not a fan of Murray but even if you want to say you'd take him, the second best.

But because of the TWO TRADES, we didn't lose that pick...we only delayed it and possibly made it even more valuable (if we actually suck this year). There really is no downside to this unless you somehow believe picking in the 2nd this season would have moved us from a 3-13 team with Fitzpatrick to an 11-5 team.

Who that player could be....I couldn't imagine. Nobody in the draft had the potential impact that Rosen could make this season....maybe only Kyler Murray?

"BitcoinMillionaire wrote:

Agree with almost everything. He definitely is not a smooth operator with the press - you can almost see him struggling to field inane questions and not say what he really wants to say. He is obviously a smart guy who considers things in a different way than your stereotypical imbecile football player. The past few days have been a whirlwind for him, he was just hitting homeruns in Arizona last night, now he has to fly to Miami and face one of the most low-rent, anti-intellectual sports media in the country - that is a tall order. I can see how his style may rub some the wrong way - a mix of new-age social media upbringing, being highly intelligent, coming from a well-off background, a bit socially awkward...it is definitely a unique package. At the end of the day, little of it will matter if he balls out. No one that matters will care how he answers questions. if he ever solidifies himself as a big time starter, I am sure he is going to royally mind-fukc the press.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I see the same thing and see it as extremely positive. He's a very smart guy, who could give very good, insightful answers to questions that are asked of him. I would love to be able to get full honesty. But because of the world that we live in, we aren't allowed to have that. Its a shame.

But give me a very smart player who has to bite his tongue over a dumb one who can't do more than recite what he's told any day of the week. Those are the pressers that drive me nuts, when it doesn't seem like the player could even come up with the standard non-answers on his own without help.

Yeah, I like the guy. I can relate to his situation a little bit as I'm sure a lot of us can. Part of hitting the working world is learning to speak appropriately. As you two said, I very much see a child of social media. You can see in his patchwork answers and his strung-out sentences.

Communication involves a real sense of the value of words. Knowing your audience is also key. Communicating effectively is a skill just like any other. Phraseology is an art. Having a high IQ is one thing. Being able to find the right words in a difficult moment is something altogether different.

Point being, you can't just assume you're good at it because you're otherwise intelligent. You will say something you ultimately regret and you'll probably end up apologizing for a bunch of stuff you didn't mean to say in the way you did. And after the 10th apology you'll start feeling bitter and jaded.

I'm polite...I'm honest...why don't people respect that and like me!?

His comment about "not needing to sell drugs" is just so on the nose for instance. There's no reason to put such a weird image in people's heads. It's such an extreme example that it gives away the fact he hasn't really thought it through. I cringe just hearing that...there are so many bad connotations with that image....moral condemnations, racial stuff, wealth inequality, etc. Let's just not go there.

If I'm in his corner coaching him, he's got to avoid phrases like that. You represent all of your teammates when you're up there and quite frankly that kind of phrase is like a pick-6. You can do a lot of good and then erase it with one poor throw.

He can tighten a lot of that up. He just needs to hear himself and to be coached up on it. A little practice goes a long way. He needs to be happy with giving more routine answers. Not every question warrants a "real" answer despite the fact the he probably fields every question as though it were so.

If he gives 1 real answer for every 9 cliche responses I think he's doing as much as he needs to. Just seems he's going too far in an effort to engage as though it were a personal conversation, which of course, it isn't.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

Yeah, I like the guy. I can relate to his situation a little bit as I'm sure a lot of us can. Part of hitting the working world is learning to speak appropriately. As you two said, I very much see a child of social media. You can see in his patchwork answers and his strung-out sentences.

Communication involves a real sense of the value of words. Knowing your audience is also key. Communicating effectively is a skill just like any other. Phraseology is an art. Having a high IQ is one thing. Being able to find the right words in a difficult moment is something altogether different.

Point being, you can't just assume you're good at it because you're otherwise intelligent. You will say something you ultimately regret and you'll probably end up apologizing for a bunch of stuff you didn't mean to say in the way you did. And after the 10th apology you'll start feeling bitter and jaded.

I'm polite...I'm honest...why don't people respect that and like me!?

His comment about "not needing to sell drugs" is just so on the nose for instance. There's no reason to put such a weird image in people's heads. It's such an extreme example that it gives away the fact he hasn't really thought it through. I cringe just hearing that...there are so many bad connotations with that image....moral condemnations, racial stuff, wealth inequality, etc. Let's just not go there.

If I'm in his corner coaching him, he's got to avoid phrases like that. You represent all of your teammates when you're up there and quite frankly that kind of phrase is like a pick-6. You can do a lot of good and then erase it with one poor throw.

He can tighten a lot of that up. He just needs to hear himself and to be coached up on it. A little practice goes a long way. He needs to be happy with giving more routine answers. Not every question warrants a "real" answer despite the fact the he probably fields every question as though it were so.

If he gives 1 real answer for every 9 cliche responses I think he's doing as much as he needs to. Just seems he's going too far in an effort to engage as though it were a personal conversation, which of course, it isn't.

Honestly...I think it's kind of ridiculous to even ask people questions if they arent allowed to give real answers.

What is the point in the first place?

"Galant wrote:

Once again OL is a concern, but I will say this, if there's one unit that is affected heavily by coaching it's the OL. Talent matters but I have to say I'm very curious to see what a different coaching staff can achieve in terms of OL play simply by better scheming and cohesive play.

I agree that coaching is very important. The thing to remember is that for the last 7 years the results show that our OL coaching has been plainly and clearly inadequate. If we can get NFL competent level of coaching we should improve upon last year.

The biggest weaknesses I’m seeing in him as far as being a pro goes, is not being able to dictate his own personal tempo to the defense..he’s not committed..He’s playing the game 90 percent of the time out of rhythm.

Basically the speed is so fast he can’t multitask..

Obviously bad coaching, bad oline, bad skill players compounds it..Or some might think it’s the direct cause..

It’s not easy.

"djphinfan wrote:

The biggest weaknesses I’m seeing in him as far as being a pro goes, is not being able to dictate his own personal tempo to the defense..he’s not committed..He’s playing the game 90 percent of the time out of rhythm.

Basically the speed is so fast he can’t multitask..

Obviously bad coaching, bad oline, bad skill players compounds it..Or some might think it’s the direct cause..

It’s not easy.

I totally get where you are coming from but I think its a hell of a lot to ask from a rookie QB on a terrible team to dictate the defense in any way.

Not to say he will be able to do it. I just think it's entirely TBD.

Anyone posted this yet?

https://amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/29/josh-rosen-cardinals-dolphins-trade-quotes-mmqb

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I totally get where you are coming from but I think its a hell of a lot to ask from a rookie QB on a terrible team to dictate the defense in any way.

Not to say he will be able to do it. I just think it's entirely TBD.

And I totally understand that..

That’s the game right??

This is what I know about him at the pro level..

He’s hitching way too much, then he realizes that, then he rushes..viscous cycle.

Multitasking is the key, sure he can drop in a Safe pocket and make a good throw when the first read is there, what I’m waiting to see is when protection breaks down, or his first read is covered, what’s his plan, how does he keep his composure, how is he maneuvering athletically through the traffic, is it with precision and can he make the play.

I know you’ve Watched baker mayfield play the game, freneticly calculated is what I would describe his play tempo..If he’s gonna make a mistake, it’s going to be on his terms.

I haven't really watched anything about Josh Rosen until the last month. Mostly in the last few days. Looking at his NFL highlights and Strong Opinion Sports Podcast. He seems to know his stuff.

Honestly, I am excited. Generally, I am arguing on the side of "2nd round picks are important" with the "quarterback is the most important position, you have to go for one every year" crowd.

Generally speaking, lower 2nd round quarterbacks are lucky to be career backups. Mostly because if a quarterback is talented enough he will go in the upper second round AT LEAST if not EJ Manualed or JP Losemaned.

Obviously, he has problems in his game. However, what I saw was the most natural looking quarterback I have seen as a Dolphin since Chad Pennington. He made mistakes, he looked hesitant at times, he does not have the mobility to make up for a terrible line, and all of the other problems he has.

However, some of those throws he makes I haven't seen since Marino, as a Dolphin. A QB who can throw a wide receiver open with arm strength.

Do I think he is going to work out? Probably not. Most of these quarterbacks do not. Do I think it is worth the risk? Yes. I do.

"djphinfan wrote:

And I totally understand that..

That’s the game right??

This is what I know about him at the pro level..

He’s hitching way too much, then he realizes that, then he rushes..viscous cycle.

Multitasking is the key, sure he can drop in a Safe pocket and make a good throw when the first read is there, what I’m waiting to see is when protection breaks down, or his first read is covered, what’s his plan, how does he keep his composure, how is he maneuvering athletically through the traffic, is it with precision and can he make the play.

I know you’ve Watched baker mayfield play the game, freneticly calculated is what I would describe his play tempo..If he’s gonna make a mistake, it’s going to be on his terms.

I dont disagree, Baker is a different QB though I'd say. He can obviously dictate the game with his legs if other things arent going right.

For a pocket passer to not hitch up one of his options has to be open and/or he needs proper coaching to read an NFL defense and at least some protection.

I agree though we need to see him do these things. I just dont count last year against him too much. This year though hes accountable for himself no matter what, we only have a short period to evaluate and decide if hes the guy or not.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Honestly...I think it's kind of ridiculous to even ask people questions if they arent allowed to give real answers.

What is the point in the first place?

I totally agree. However, we don't live in the real world anymore. Social media is a blessing and a curse. I would say more of a curse because we can't handle the truth. Most can't agree to disagree on the littlest thing and are offended at the drop of a hat. One misspoken word can be disastrous because people would rather get a zillion clicks or follows instead of keeping things in context. I watched the video, and then read the rest of the thread where Galant posted some tweets from our local beat writers. Let's just say that I am glad that I watched the presser. The tweets, to me, were practically useless if you wanted to get a feel for the situation and Rosen.

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

Most can't agree to disagree on the littlest thing and are offended at the drop of a hat. One misspoke word can be disastrous because people would rather get a zillion clicks or follows instead of keeping things in context.

Misspoken.

:D

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I dont disagree, Baker is a different QB though I'd say. He can obviously dictate the game with his legs if other things arent going right.

For a pocket passer to not hitch up one of his options has to be open and/or he needs proper coaching to read an NFL defense and at least some protection.

I agree though we need to see him do these things. I just dont count last year against him too much. This year though hes accountable for himself no matter what, we only have a short period to evaluate and decide if hes the guy or not.

Also, Baker was on a much more talented team than Rosen last year (once Jackson was shown the door). Baker looks the better player but that's the reason he went number 1

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Honestly...I think it's kind of ridiculous to even ask people questions if they arent allowed to give real answers.

What is the point in the first place?

Well, it can seem ridiculous if it's viewed as one big act but in reality it's a naturally occurring thing.

Fans want content. Writers make their living producing that content. The content is better if it contains something of substance. Interviews are one way to do that. Hence players get asked questions. This is so routine that it's scheduled and managed by the teams as well as the NFL. So it's not fake or contrived. These situations will pop up and the players have to act appropriately.

There's no rule that says you have to lie. Players simply have to understand that they can do a lot of damage by being careless. So it's a challenge of expressing what you want to say in a way that is clear and concise.

There are obviously practical rules that crop up. Be supportive of your teammates. Be respectful of your coaches. Always look forward optimistically. Thank the fans.

Quite frankly, the only way you screw this up is if you're too inept not to speak carelessly or the stress breaks you. So in a sense, how a guy performs at the mic does indicate things about him.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

Well, it can seem ridiculous if it's viewed as one big act but in reality it's a naturally occurring thing.

Fans want content. Writers make their living producing that content. The content is better if it contains something of substance. Interviews are one way to do that. Hence players get asked questions. This is so routine that it's scheduled and managed by the teams as well as the NFL. So it's not fake or contrived. These situations will pop up and the players have to act appropriately.

There's no rule that says you have to lie. Players simply have to understand that they can do a lot of damage by being careless. So it's a challenge of expressing what you want to say in a way that is clear and concise.

There are obviously practical rules that crop up. Be supportive of your teammates. Be respectful of your coaches. Always look forward optimistically. Thank the fans.

Quite frankly, the only way you screw this up is if you're too inept not to speak carelessly or the stress breaks you. So in a sense, how a guy performs at the mic does indicate things about him.

I dont find that natural at all though. It's an entirely made up and human system.

If the content is just bland standard answers it really has no value whatsoever and is intellectually and morally lacking.

I entirely understand your point and it Is true, but it is true because we created it. Not because its naturally right.

Now of course there are limits. Noone should be up there going crazy and ranting or whatever, giving away team secrets and so on.

"Galant wrote:

Misspoken.

:D

LOL!

I am so glad I am just a nobody. :-)

"DolphinGreg wrote:

Well, it can seem ridiculous if it's viewed as one big act but in reality it's a naturally occurring thing.

Fans want content. Writers make their living producing that content. The content is better if it contains something of substance. Interviews are one way to do that. Hence players get asked questions. This is so routine that it's scheduled and managed by the teams as well as the NFL. So it's not fake or contrived. These situations will pop up and the players have to act appropriately.

There's no rule that says you have to lie. Players simply have to understand that they can do a lot of damage by being careless. So it's a challenge of expressing what you want to say in a way that is clear and concise.

There are obviously practical rules that crop up. Be supportive of your teammates. Be respectful of your coaches. Always look forward optimistically. Thank the fans.

Quite frankly, the only way you screw this up is if you're too inept not to speak carelessly or the stress breaks you. So in a sense, how a guy performs at the mic does indicate things about him.

But essentially you're saying that often players will be asked questions that they didn't answer or have to carefully craft answers...so they're not really giving honest answers. Not to mention, it's so understood that answers aren't really truthful, so most people mistrust what is said by coaches or players in public interviewes. People will say things like, "Of course he took the blame, he's not going to throw his teammates under the bus to answer a reporters question," or things like that.

I was thinking lately how entertaining it would be for an organisation to let a player or coach, or all of them, just to give a bunch of outrageous answers and let the press figure it out.

Normal questions are fine. It's the ones where the press are clearly digging for something or seeing if someone will trip up.

Would love to see a team diffuse that by just going overboard.

"Galant wrote:

Misspoken.

:D

I'm offended you corrected his grammar. LoL

At least this trade/pick has given us all something to discuss. I was resigned to "were just gonna suck this year" mode. Now I have some hope that they can crush at a later date.