Josh Rosen Thread (merged threads)

Think it's a great move tbh - cheap & a decent pick next year. Also, as has been said previously, there is still no guarantee that Tua comes out next year anyhow (due to his family being keen that he finishes school), so if people aren't that hot on Fromm or Herbert, we would have had to wait until 2021.

"thetylernator wrote:

I know what's going to happen.

Kyler Murray flames out before the end of his rookie contract, retires, and attempts a baseball comeback. Kliff Kingsbury is fired after two miserable seasons attempting to make a college scheme work in the NFL.

Josh Rosen earns a Pro Bowl bid in the same season.

Arizona enters meme purgatory.

Chris Grier and Brian Flores continue to build a winner in South Florida.

Josh Rosen goes on to earn numerous Pro Bowl ballots, an MVP award, and multiple Super Bowl rings as the franchise QB for the Miami Dolphins, who reign over the AFC East for the next decade.

For Miami, this trade is looked back on as a defining moment in their franchise's history

For Arizona, it's seen as the greatest blunder by a front office in NFL history.

... and you're damn right I'm buying a Rosen jersey.

Sorry I missed this thread until now. I've been focused on the posts in club. But many of you know how I feel about Rosen.

I fell in love with him during his Jr season at UCLA. He does just about everything exactly the way that I want my QB to handle it. Physically, he could stand to add some weight and strength, but otherwise his size is very good, and his mechanics are impeccible. As a pure passer (which is basically all I care about) he's as good of a prospect as anyone who's come out in years. I said a year ago that from 2005 to present, the only QB that I was higher on coming into the draft was Luck.

To say that I'm elated would be understating how I feel. For me, this is the best thing to happen to the Dolphins in the years since Marino retired, and I have more hope than I have at any point in the last 15 years at least. Rosen is immediately the second best QB in the division, though over time I think we'll have fun with the battles with the Jets as he and Darnold both show what they can do. Once Brady is gone, Rosen should be the class of the East, and he'll only be about 25 years old at that point, maybe younger! There is so much to look forward to now! And we can use the 2020 draft haul to fill so many other needs on the team now that we have our QB.

Here's one SI writer's take on our options with Rosen:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/26/josh-rosen-trade-cardinals-dolphins-steve-keim-nfl-draft

· Start Rosen, be bad, draft high in each round with their bounty of picks assembled through deft trades, nab the quarterback of the future in the first round of 2020.

· Start Rosen, be mediocre, draft in the middle of each round with their bounty, then couple some of those picks to move up and draft the quarterback of the future where you need to in the first round.

· Start Rosen, find out he’s actually the franchise quarterback whether you’re bad or mediocre, use your picks to continue surrounding him with talent and ride with him through the next two years of his rookie deal plus the fifth-year option.

This is how I see it too.

"Fin D wrote:

Here's one SI writer's take on our options with Rosen:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/26/josh-rosen-trade-cardinals-dolphins-steve-keim-nfl-draft

This is how I see it too.

Exactly. I mean, I don't understand people's thought process here.

"resnor wrote:

Exactly. I mean, I don't understand people's thought process here.

People are legitimately afraid, that we won't do those things because past FO's didn't cut bait with Thill.

I just don't think we can hold the current staff responsible for actions taken with the previous staff. I believe the fact that we set up 202 like we have means we are going to do one fo those three options and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove I shouldn't.

Does anyone honestly believe that second round pick was integral to our rebuild? So much so that taking a shot at a talented young QB was a bad idea?

I really cant understand the logic of not taking a chance at a QB when people have been screaming for it.

We got what IMO would be the best QB in this draft easily. I'm not a fan of Murray but even if you want to say you'd take him, the second best.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Does anyone honestly believe that second round pick was integral to our rebuild? So much so that taking a shot at a talented young QB was a bad idea?

I really cant understand the logic of not taking a chance at a QB when people have been screaming for it.

It is because they wanted a different player....like every draft. The fact that pick was used as a trade and for polarizing QB no less, just weaponizes that anger.

Its not justified, but there it is regardless.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Rosen. He has all the physical tools, and yes he played on a horrible team last year, but he looked so bad himself at times last year. I'm hoping the 'Phins new coaching staff can turn it around for him because if they can get his head on right...man, he will be one of the best QB's in the league. I think they should let him sit behind Fitz this year, come in for clean up duty or if the Dolphins are getting beaten badly, but otherwise wait until next year and hopefully they can have a decent O-Line for the kid. He just turned 22 in February so he's got time to learn. If he looks bad next year?

Come on down Lawrence!

Great trade. What this gives the team the opportunity to do is have a QB on a rookie contract, who, because of the trade, soaks up even less of the salary cap than he otherwise would, thus presenting the team with the possibility of having a great QB and lots of cap room to surround him with other talent. There are few teams in the league who are in this position, and the ones who are usually play very well.

I'm legitimately surprised at how much reaction there is to what the Dolphins gave up as opposed to what they got.

I don't love Josh Rosen but considering the value of QBs in the NFL, I make this trade all day long to add an incredible talent to my QB room. This guy was the #10 overall pick last year and has every physical ability now that he did then. It's not like he's coming off an ACL or something. He went 3-13 and his offense sucked for a million reasons. Big whoop.

The team passed on Haskins so evidently he wasn't the guy for them. Grier then had a chance to survey the board in R2 and evidently considered Rosen a more attractive alternative to what was there. He was able to nab a R1 QB prospect with a year under his belt and with real upside for a late R2 pick.

To me, that's a trade you make all day long. I understand there are fans that were dreaming of Murray, Haskins or some future guy but when you consider the massive uncertainty surrounding every single QB prospect it seems logical to try and get as many realistic shots as you can.

Rosen is a realistic shot at finding a franchise guy...just as much as Murray, Haskins or Lock would've been. Tagovailoa, Fromm and all the others are still out there as well.

But man, this team has to find a QB and if you can collect Josh Rosen for the #62 pick, it only makes sense to do it.

Some of you guys need to stop being so picky and understand the big picture. It's not all about zooming in on one guy and obsessing about just him.

Regardless of who you might think of as your favorite, collecting Rosen and adding him into the mix makes a lot of good sense.

Surprising and interesting thing I just read in my old 2018 Lindy's draft magazine about Rosen, "NFL Comparison: Hall of Fame's Dan Marino, Dolphins-Comparing anyone to arguably the greatest NFL passer in NFL history is obviously lofty praise, but Rosen's quick release, velocity and ball placement on passes to all areas of the field are exceedingly rare. Off-field questions and lack of preferred mobility pushed Marino down the board to No. 27 overall back in 1983. Rosen comes with similar concerns. Although he won't fall that far, a draft day drop is possible, despite his undeniable talent".

I didn't catch that last year and was surprised to see it this year. It's strange, but for some reason when we were selecting at 13, I felt like this was going to be a lucky draft for us. I know we took Wilkins at 13, but we did manage to get Rosen, so who knows, maybe things are starting to turn around for our franchise. :-)

Note: Not saying Lindy's is the end-all-be-all when it comes to draft evaluations. They have an opinion and just like everybody else I try to take them with a grain of salt.

Here's a really good break down of Rosen's rookie season:

There's a Josh Rosen presser scheduled for 1 PM EST today.

"danmarino wrote:

I'm cautiously optimistic about Rosen. He has all the physical tools, and yes he played on a horrible team last year, but he looked so bad himself at times last year. I'm hoping the 'Phins new coaching staff can turn it around for him because if they can get his head on right...man, he will be one of the best QB's in the league. I think they should let him sit behind Fitz this year, come in for clean up duty or if the Dolphins are getting beaten badly, but otherwise wait until next year and hopefully they can have a decent O-Line for the kid. He just turned 22 in February so he's got time to learn. If he looks bad next year?

Come on down Lawrence!

I don't think you can let him sit all season. Really, you've got to see what what you have. Even if the oline is not great, you should still have Rosen out there, as if he can't handle the pressure, we've got to quickly move on. Ideally you'd have that answer this season, and not have to wait for two years to see if Rosen can be the answer.

Rosen live/recorded first interview with Dolphins press - https://www.pscp.tv/MiamiDolphins/1PlJQLnBjvMGE

"It might end up being smarter to use all those picks and the $120 million in salary cap available to build around Rosen. We'll just have to see how things go. With a total lack of pass rush, we ought to give up a lot of points and as such we'll likely (1) lose a lot of games and (2) get to see a lot of what Rosen can do as the offense is forced to stay aggressive."

This is one of the most valid points written. Our offensive line is more of an offense to our team than to anyone else - and we have only drafted one lineman this year. If we can pick up a couple of good - very good vets with part of that 120 million, and draft next year to fill in some of the blank files - so much the better. We also need defensive linemen. [ I know... I'm sounding like a broken record - but when is the last time the 'Phins had a GOOD line to go along with a good quarterback for a good coach?] 'Twas back in the last century - if memory serves. And this rebuild will take more time than we expect even now! We better hope the brain trust upstairs is good at drafting and discerning the players from the pretenders. There may be some improvement in the next year, but this transformation is just beginning, and it probably will take a couple of years more before we can stand eyeball to eyeball with New England and not blink (even with that Ancient Pelican playing quarterback!) And that is just the beginning.

"Zigs wrote:

Interesting OLine ratings for 2018 from PFF.
https://t.co/Z9smOe2gaH

My biggest concern is that were only 1 spot below the Cards with our O line and we did little to rectify that. It might be Rosen 2.0 with our line and not really see what this kid has.