John Beck
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BumrushsubscriberOPLets say a team offers us a 5th or a 6th round pick for Beck this offseason, do we jump all over it and take what we can get or hold off and keep him as a 3rd string QB?
Sorry bro this is a general Manager league forum.
No we trade John Beck for a 4th
anlgpNew MemberSomeone will move this but I'll answer anyway:
I have a feeling that the FO is going to continue to bring more of their guys in. They'll trade him if they find a pick worthy enough, I think.
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Hard to say. He's shown enough not to get cut so far, it depends on how much upside the current regime sees in him.
GARDENHEADsubscriberI'd take a 6th for Beck. I'm afraid the market for a 27 year old QB with little starting experience will be thin. Cut bait on this guy.
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like2godluxury_boxI think we should hold onto him, we have too many needs to draft another QB this year and this is only the 2 time in his career that Chad Pennington has played all 16 games. Beck has a year in this offense, if anything were to happen to either of the Chad's, I would prefer to have Beck in there. He's more valuable to us than he is another team IMO.
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"like2god wrote:
I think we should hold onto him, we have too many needs to draft another QB this year and this is only the 2 time in his career that Chad Pennington has played all 16 games. Beck has a year in this offense, if anything were to happen to either of the Chad's, I would prefer to have Beck in there. He's more valuable to us than he is another team IMO.
What if you could pick up a verteran like Joey Harrington ( not saying has to be him just an example) and still be able to trade be for a decent pick. I just dont think John Beck is going to be even 2nd string worthy as shown this year when he lost that job to a rookie in Chad Henne. I feel if we can get any where from a 4th to a 7th for the guy that would be good and I would pull the trigger on that deal
Bumrushsubscriber"RonnieBrownTown wrote:
What if you could pick up a verteran like Joey Harrington ( not saying has to be him just an example) and still be able to trade be for a decent pick. I just dont think John Beck is going to be even 2nd string worthy as shown this year when he lost that job to a rookie in Chad Henne. I feel if we can get any where from a 4th to a 7th for the guy that would be good and I would pull the trigger on that deal
This is my thinking.. Heck look at where we picked Donald Thomas... I would much rather take the chance on a 6th rounder, assuming Beck does not fit in to our long term plans, and sign a veteran as our 3rd backup.
like2godluxury_box"RonnieBrownTown wrote:
What if you could pick up a verteran like Joey Harrington ( not saying has to be him just an example) and still be able to trade be for a decent pick. I just dont think John Beck is going to be even 2nd string worthy as shown this year when he lost that job to a rookie in Chad Henne. I feel if we can get any where from a 4th to a 7th for the guy that would be good and I would pull the trigger on that deal
Nah, a veteran wants to be a starter or a backup, not a 3rd stringer. Any vet that we could get to accept a 3rd string role isn't going to be any better than what we already have IMO, infact it may be a step backwards.
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rafaelforum_veteranI think it depends upon whether they find a guy they think is a superior prospect. Otherwise, he seems like a Parcells' type QB.
PhiNominaforum_veteranPennington proved this year how much a QB can change the entire makeup of a team.
Henne is far from a sure thing - having two young QB's to develop is not a bad thing. And I don't think anyone sees Pennington being our starter two years from now - having both of these guys available would be great.
Just because we might have hit on Donald Thomas (who isn't exactly a sure thing yet, either) doesn't mean we trade away all of our depth for 6th rounders.
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[deleted]luxury_box"RonnieBrownTown wrote:
Sorry bro this is a general Manager league forum.
No we trade John Beck for a 4th
Why would he post this question there? :lol:
This is the appropriate forum.
Bumrushsubscriber"Celtkin wrote:
Why would he post this question there? :lol:
This is the appropriate forum.
LOL :cry:
I saw a new forum that said "Trades" :D
I don't think I would have posted this thread out of the blue here.. I know the words John Beck bring back a barrage of bad memories :lol:
mullinganforum_veteranI whole heartedly think we keep Beck. Never underestimate the importance/luxury of depth at the QB position. He is learning from one of the best vet QB's in the game because Chad see's his role as not only QB but the Vet who must prepare Henne and Beck for life in the NFL. I truly think Beck is more valuable here then what ever late round pick we may get for him. The fact that John has survived all the roster moves at least indicates the staff see him worth something for this team.
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The only bad memories I have of John are that he was a rookie who was thrown into an impossible situation to begin with, and was never prepared properly for that situation. I am of the mind had this staff been in place, John would have at least been better prepared for, and put in better situations to be starting QB. I honestly think the verdict is still out on John.
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"like2god wrote:
Nah, a veteran wants to be a starter or a backup, not a 3rd stringer. Any vet that we could get to accept a 3rd string role isn't going to be any better than what we already have IMO, infact it may be a step backwards.
You think Rex Grossman or Joey Harrington would be a step backwards. Those guys have more experience then John Beck. A guy like Joey Harrinton, Kyle Boller,Quinn Gray,Tim Rattay would just be glad to be on a team and all of those guy have more experience then John Beck.
"Celtkin wrote:
Why would he post this question there? :lol:
This is the appropriate forum.
I know that is what I am saying. This thread was moved from there.
MonstBlitzforum_veteranThis might sound harsh, but in my opinion, John Beck just really doesn't have the tools to be an effective QB at any level. Be it 2nd string, 3rd string, etc. Problems with ball security, bad mechanics, shattered confidence due to the impossible situation he was placed in last year, and the list goes on. I'd love to see him prove me wrong but I would take a 6th round pick for him in a heartbeat.
Our front office knows what they are doing and can properly evaluate talent so if they've seen something in John Beck that us fans haven't they'll hang onto him.
[deleted]luxury_box"RonnieBrownTown wrote:
I know that is what I am saying. This thread was moved from there.
Doh! I see. Sorry bro.
"PhiNomina wrote:
Pennington proved this year how much a QB can change the entire makeup of a team.
Henne is far from a sure thing - having two young QB's to develop is not a bad thing. And I don't think anyone sees Pennington being our starter two years from now - having both of these guys available would be great.
Just because we might have hit on Donald Thomas (who isn't exactly a sure thing yet, either) doesn't mean we trade away all of our depth for 6th rounders.
Yea but what if Chad Pennington goes down like he has in the past we would have a guy that has never started a game in the NF in Chad Henne. The we would have a guy that has never won a game in 6 trys in John Beck. Also losing 6 games in a row as a rookie can not be good for you confidence.
"Celtkin wrote:
Doh! I see. Sorry bro.
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padre31luxury_boxIt all depends on whether or not John Beck has made any progress during his year long sabbatical on the Bench, has Qb Coach Lee been working with him? Has his mechanics improved? Did he pick up our offensive system completely and thoroughly?
If not, then by all means, send him down the road, if he has upgraded his game, then 6th round pick for a quality 3rd string Qb is a waste of time and effort.
6th round guys are close to being UDFA's anyway, trading a Qb for one amounts to a giveaway of a player, heck, we even scored a 6th for McCown why settle for a 6th for John Beck?
like2godluxury_box"RonnieBrownTown wrote:
You think Rex Grossman or Joey Harrington would be a step backwards. Those guys have more experience then John Beck. A guy like Joey Harrinton, Kyle Boller,Quinn Gray,Tim Rattay would just be glad to be on a team and all of those guy have more experience then John Beck.
Beck has alot of ability, there were several very qualified NFL people who felt that he could be a very good QB, add in the mishandling of last year and I think that Beck hasn't really shown us what type of player he can be. The other guys that you mentioned have all had their chance in more favorable environments and none of them made a big enough impression for me to rate them higher than John and his untapped potential under this coaching staff. As someone pointed out earlier, we're lucky to have two young QB's incase anything happens to Penny, why give up on one for the unknown (5th or 6th round player)? Finding a Donald Thomas in the later rounds doesn't happen very often, you may very well end up trading Beck away for nothing.
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like2godluxury_box"RonnieBrownTown wrote:
Yea but what if Chad Pennington goes down like he has in the past we would have a guy that has never started a game in the NF in Chad Henne. The we would have a guy that has never won a game in 6 trys in John Beck. Also losing 6 games in a row as a rookie can not be good for you confidence.
6 games does not a player make. Not many young QB's would have done well on last years late season team, infact alot of our veterans didn't look good during those 6 games. :wink2:
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"like2god wrote:
Beck has alot of ability, there were several very qualified NFL people who felt that he could be a very good QB, add in the mishandling of last year and I think that Beck hasn't really shown us what type of player he can be. The other guys that you mentioned have all had their chance in more favorable environments and none of them made a big enough impression for me to rate them higher than John and his untapped potential under this coaching staff. As someone pointed out earlier, we're lucky to have two young QB's incase anything happens to Penny, why give up on one for the unknown (5th or 6th round player)? Finding a Donald Thomas in the later rounds doesn't happen very often, you may very well end up trading Beck away for nothing.
Rex Grossman has not shown that he has more talent the John Beck. Same with Joey Harrington. I think John Beck has had plenty of chances to show the coaching staff what he is worth. During trianingcamp he did not do enough to even earn the spot as a second string he got replaced by a guy that has never started in an NFL game. Also with having the 2 young qb's thing is also not good imo. Chad Pennington goes down then what you have a guy that has never started a NFL game in Chad Henne. The you have a guyb in John Beck that has lost every NFL game he has been in that can not be good for you confidence.
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