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John Beck available cheap

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    John Clayton thinks he would be available for any kind of a draft pick.



    Dolphins QB John Beck is available for any compensation amount, according to ESPN's John Clayton.
    Clayton says any team "need only make an offer" to get Beck. The Dolphins are still trying to clear any Cam Cameron holdovers off their roster. The Ravens could show some interest in Beck as competition for No. 2 QB Troy Smith.
    Source: ESPN Insider

    http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/home_NFL.aspx
     
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  2. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

    PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN Well-Known Member

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    I say we should keep him. But if we get rid of him, whatever.
     
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  3. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    John never got a fair shot, sad for him but I also never saw him as the Heir apparent he's too mild mannered to be the MAN..

    I cant think of any passive QB that was great. All of the good ones command the huddle.
     
  4. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    I'd really like to get at least a 4th rounder for him but I doubt that's happening. I'm just sad to say he was a waste of a 2nd round pick.
     
  5. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

    PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't say he is a waste. He could still turn his career around. He's 27, not 37.
     
  6. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Makes me think if we do get rid of him before the Draft, then we might be really looking at adding Pat White. JMO.
     
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  7. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Eli is the only one I can think of. But I don't consider him great. Just very good.
     
  8. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    He's had a couple chances. He's had 2 unspectacular preseasons. And he played a couple of games where he was unimpressive. Maybe since we have a beefier offensive line he could do better but now I've completely lost faith in him. It's not really even his fault. He got drafted too high by a bad coach for the wrong team. His career got derailed by Cam Cameron. It's probably better for him if goes somewhere else and gets a fresh start. Maybe we can trade him to the jets for Vernon Gholston. :)
     
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  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Eh, IMO Beck never really had much of a chance in Miami, and if he is traded it should serve as a warning to starting a young Qb on a terrible team, it just tarnishes them as long as they are with the team.
     
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  10. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    I can't see us taking a 7th for him. I wouldn't let him go for anything less than a 5th.
     
  11. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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  12. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    we need to get what we can for him. But i hope its atleast a 5th, maybe a 4th.
     
  13. TheMageGandalf

    TheMageGandalf Senior Member

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    Nah, no one is going to give us more than a 6th for him if that.

    They know we don't want/need him and he hasn't proven anything and didn't show much when he was in.

    I seriously see him getting shipped out during the second day of the draft for a 7th.
     
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  14. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    If reports were true that players did not respect him and would not play their best when he was at QB then its difficult to get that respect back .

    A change of scenery will probably be a good thing for him.We have to move on.
     
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  15. ToddsPhins

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    I wish we'd get a high enough pick for him to use on T A&M QB Stephen McGee, but I don't see that happening now. :(
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  16. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    He had a chance here. Just bad ones. He wasn't drafted into a good situation for him. We didn't have the personnel or the coaching to give him a good start. That saying when he was given bad chances he didn't make the most of them. He was the wrong pick for this team and this team was the wrong pick for him.
     
  17. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I gotta disagree with you there Xeticus, Beck was meant to be treated like Henne has been, strictly a back up his first year...he was thrown into the fire on a really bad team and that was that more or less, add Pennington and Henne and he may as well play golf because he won't see the field barring a calamity.
     
  18. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    unfortunately we are at the mercy of bidders and IMO wont get higher than a 6th. Its too bad after 7 professional games, 2 full TC's, 30,000 balls, and working exclusively with Lee, he still couldnt, "get it right".
     
  19. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    True, he may have "thrown into the fire" but he hasnt improved his game at all. Seriously, when a QB fumbles snaps on almost a regular basis, how can you expect consistency
     
  20. FinsAreLife

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    The Ravens would want him over Troy Smith.....
     
  21. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

    PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN Well-Known Member

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    Let's not get into an argument over Beck guys. Trade him, and let him continue his career somewhere else.
     
  22. Skeet84

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    Thanks for that post. It would not be bad to get another pick and maybe draft another young QB to spend a year with Chad Pennington
     
  23. Silverphin

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    To be fair though, last pre-season, I don't think he fumbled a snap from Satele. He fumbled snaps from centers that were cut before the season started. Just saying.
     
  24. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    we can argue that we don't want to let him go b/c we don't plan on resigning pennington. maybe that will give us 5th rounder for him. lol.
     
  25. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I hope he gets traded to a team with no QB. I would love to see what he would do over a full season.
     
  26. Sceeto

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    That actually makes sense. I could see that happening, if anything.
     
  27. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The team is admitting that they don't expect to get squat for Johnny Boy. Anyone that thinks we are going to get a 4th round pick in return needs to lay off the ganja... We got a 6th round pick for a starting center, we'll be lucky to get any compensation for Beck.
     
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  28. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Everyone here already knows it, but I'm just going to come out and say it..

    ...that 2007 draft orchestrated by Candy was an absolutely pathetic display. I mean, that has to have been one of the worst drafts by this organization in recent memory (and considering some of the drafts during the Wannstedt era, that's saying something).

    Aside from Ginn, its not out of the realm of possibility that we'll have no one from that draft on this roster next year (depending on what happens with the development of Soliai).
     
  29. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well, to be exact, we got the compensation of a 4th round pick for Satele if you use the point system, but who's counting...

    At this point, the team has no leverage, if in fact, they are trying to trade him. I think the point is that because of circumstances before this regime arrived, he has no value to this regime. Whether or not he has what it takes is undetermined at this point, because of Penny and Henne....he won't get that chance here so he would be better served moving on...As to the Trio, they must feel they can get something better in the draft and probably pay less as our #3 QB...
     
  30. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the trio thinks they can do better with a FA undrafted QB.

    Beck clearly has no redeeming qualities on the field (not sure how much of a factor his off the field actions play in to this), thus our desire to move him for basically nothing. I wonder if McCown was worth more on the open market last year when the decision was made to trade him instead of Beck.
     
  31. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I think it's more likely that with Penny and Henne, his qualities are not needed, not that he doesn't have any redeeming qualities on the field. Funny how most experts say that it takes 3 yrs for a kid coming out of college to show his wares in the NFL, but because he was not prepared to be able to start in this league, yet was pushed into it, he's a bust...that's neither here nor there now because this regime has made it's choices and that's fine. The fact still remains that Beck is an unknown quantity at this point....too many times, a youngster is put into a bad situation and then labeled for the rest of his career...at any rate, the debate of Beck as an entity for the Fins going forward is over and the best they can do is try to get something in return. Some of us just seem to think that the regime in 2007 had more to do with Becks' showing poorly than his abilities or lack thereof.....
     
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  32. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

    Yeah, maybe Cam can convince Ozzie to give us their 6th rounder for him? I'd settle for that.
     
  33. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Larry, that argument is unfair. We understand that the end of 2007 was rough on Beck, but last time I checked he had a halfway decent (with a few fumbles, of course) game against the Bungles to close out the season.. Under the new regime he went through vigorous workouts and threw the ball thousands of times in the offseason to come in prepared for camp.. He was listed as the top QB on the depth chart and within a few weeks was 4th on the depth chart behind Chad P, the rookie and McCown. He showed poorly in 2007 and showed even worse in 2008 under the new regime which gave him an opportunity to prove himself and compete. It got so bad that McCown was projecting to start until God himself came down on Fin Nation and gave us Pennington.
     
  34. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    We fell for John Beck, reached with both arms stretched and straining. He represented hope for the core of this fan base, the true fans like you and I who have been drowning along side this football team with every snap, season, and selection desperately flailing for any flotation apparatus. Fortunatley, the pigskin gods have favored us with a cruise ship salvage. IMO even a long-shot 7th round pick in the hands of our regime holds more value than a 3rd string QB.
     
  35. Xeticus

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    I was really against the John Beck pick. I stated then that passing on Brady Quinn and picking up Ted Ginn and John Beck was a really dangerous move for Cameron. That if those moves didn't pan out and pan out quick that he'd be out of a job. Part of it was Beck's Age. He was a couple years older than the other QB's but that experience didn't make him any better. In fact it made it more likely that he'd reached his potential already. And the few chances John has had since then he has not impressed. He might not have been a bad draft pick, but he was definitely the wrong pick for this team.
     
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  36. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

    Well put. :up:
     
  37. Onehondo

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    Its a shame that this team has had so many draft picks that didn't pan out. Of course the same could be said with trades and free agency since there has been so many failed attempts there too. Looking at it from the outside its easy to see that is what got Miami where they were in their 1-15 season. Beck may have been a decent quarterback in the right system with a better surrounding cast, who knows? The fact now is that he has a very difficult task here of regaining the teams trust and his own confidence and being such he has gone from a quarterback with potential to a quarterback who's a project. Just like Weinke he was too old when he was drafted to be a project quarterback. I wish him the best but I don't think he has any chance for a career in Miami.
     
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  38. BrazForPhins

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    man, how many wasted picks.....Cam Cameron could be Dave Wannstedt 2.0
     
  39. late again

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    I think it can be argued that, to date, Ginn has played better than Brady Quinn.
     
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  40. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    i wasn't fond of the Ted Ginn pick but he has improved each year. This year I might actually be glad we have him. Anything is possible!!
     
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