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Joe Philbin gave up on this game...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by TheHighExhaulted, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I don't think six quarters is a weak trend. You also have a lot of data on Ryan Tannehill that suggests his performance against Buffalo wasn't all that out of the ordinary for him. Theres also a lot of data to suggest that Miami's passing game has hurt the team more than its helped in a number of recent games.

    So you just hope that they stop sucking?

    Based on what I've seen from this team, I would try to get to halftime, make some adjustments, and come up with a script of 25-30 plays that take as much decision making out of the QBs hands as possible. You hope you can get a couple of quick scores and hope Buffalo makes some mistakes or trips over itself. Thats what you do when you can't pass for ****.

    EDIT: actually the ideal situation is that they sit on the ball for the last 2 minutes, the coaches get fired at half, and they let a fan that made the trip to Buffalo QB the second half.
     
  2. Dolphans Unite!

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    I have yet to see a Joe Philbin-led locker room celebration after a win that featured anything but positives. It's as if winning that week was the goal, and we should all feel good about it, rather than winning BIG being the goal, and telling the team what it still needs to work on to get there. Notice that Bill Lazor last week was far more critical in his quotes than Joe Philbin was in his post-game locker room speech, and notice how poorly the offense played the following game.
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    What I'm referring to is a number of things.

    1. Yes there's a low rate of incidence of the problems that you speak of (interception, fumble, turnover giving the other side a short field).

    2. Running the football three straight times statistically gives you a strong chance of going three-and-out which means they get the ball back anyway with pretty good field position. Miami started on their own 12. If they went three-and-out they'd have been punting from behind their 20 yard line, and the Bills likely would have started the ball near mid-field. The Bills still had a timeout. If the Dolphins failed to convert 3rd down, the Bills take that timeout and have a little over a minute with the football at midfield needing perhaps 20 yards to try another field goal. Running the football was capitulation toward this likely scenario, regardless of the fact that Miami managed to convert on 3rd down and keep the ball instead of punting it.

    3. This statistical conclusion of "zero offensive firepower" was based on a statistically INsignificant sample. The team had plenty of offensive firepower against the New England Patriots one week earlier. Suddenly the offense is so bad they're better off kneeling on the ball as that will do less damage? Bullsh-t. That's based on what, a few plays not working? You call that a solid statistical trend upon which you base decisions that almost no head coach in the NFL would ever make? Bullsh-t again. Ryan Tannehill has done well running 2-minute offenses in the past. But a few bad plays against the Buffalo Bills had them sh-tting their pants as if they'll never feel right again. *******.
     
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  4. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Coaches should never be satisfied.
     
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  5. ckparrothead

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    Six quarters now? So the Dolphins had been able to score 33 points against the Patriots and that suddenly doesn't count? Sure. LOL.

    And if you truly DO believe that this was a six quarter trend, then what exactly is so magical and mystical about halftime that your new brilliant strategy of never passing the ball again can be put back on the shelf because you're confident your rock solid statistical trend has officially been ended? Did some magical football fairy come to the locker room and sprinkle Dan Marino's *** in Ryan Tannehill's hair?

    It's a pure bullsh-t, fallacy of an argument. It doesn't even merit serious discussion.
     
  6. Dolphans Unite!

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    I don't think the team had much firepower the week before, either, other than with Knowshon Moreno. The passing offense has been abysmal to below average for four straight games now, going back to last year. In fact, I think if this continues we'll see Matt Moore after the bye week. I don't think you can be competitive in the NFL with this kind of offensive functioning.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    So because you're convinced we suck, we should just kneel on the ball and not actually try to win games.

    Brilliant strategy, Cotton. Let's see how that works out for them.
     
  8. heylookatme

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    I don't understand how you simply give away a possession when you're losing by 9 points. I just don't understand how that's even defensible.
     
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  9. ckparrothead

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    It's not, except by a very convoluted set of arguments based on terrible assumptions.
     
  10. Dolphans Unite!

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    Essentially Philbin is admitting that Tannehill should be even more of a game manager in situations that have the potential to harm the team significantly, such as making a game a three-score comeback (down 16-0) in just one half, with its best running back injured and out. Whether that's right or wrong is debatable, but I can't say I've seen any evidence from Tannehill to suggest Philbin is off his rocker.
     
  11. Stringer Bell

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    The Bills clearly have a beat on Ryan Tannehill. It could be schematic, it could just be the players. Maybe they have the Dolphin's protection calls. But they've clearly owned him. Conversely, it seems like Ryan Tannehill performs better than his average against the Patriots. Could be schematic, or just the players.

    Even then, the Dolphins running game contributed to their 33 points against NE more than the passing game.

    You can make adjustments. You can tell Ryan Tannehill what to do in a much more structured manner than you can in between drives. You can figure out if the defense has your protection calls. As it stands, there was nothing mystical or magical they did, because they didn't really do much after their first 25 plays in the second half.

    Certainly dropping back and letting uncovered rushers sack you is not mystical or magical, which is what had been happening for the last 6 quarters in Buffalo.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Yes and Florida owns Peyton Manning. And so does New England, oh wait, oops now they don't, now it's Peyton Manning that owns New England. Blah blah blah.

    You're basically reading lottery numbers from star formations now.

    But you said it was a six quarter trend. That means this trend survived one halftime and also an entire practice week. Your theory that halftime would make an impact on this trend is statistically unsound. They should have continued taking a knee the entire game.
     
  13. vt_dolfan

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    I understand Philbind logic for retreating at the end of the half..but I dont agree with it. You dont bench Tannehill for Moore because you dont want it to effect your QBs confidence. What does not even trying to score down 9~0 say?

    Part of the issues everyone had last season...was the team was taking on the personality of Philbin. So..Philbin wants our team to play scared? Maybe thats why we keep getting the snot kicked out of us in Buffalo.

    Im sorry..one thing I cant stomach is playing scared.

    You know what he should have done..

    " God damnit Tannehill ..put the god damned ball in the endzone"
     
  14. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Apparently it is to some of the posters on here.

    Mind boggling.
     
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  15. Stringer Bell

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    The irony here is that NE owned Manning most likely because they had his play calls.

    Thats Joe Philbin for you.

    And to be clear, my theory that changing protection calls or scripting plays doesn't have any statistical backing. Its just a theory and by no means do I think that halftime would make a significant impact. I just have a lot more faith in that strategy with this current team.
     
  16. Stringer Bell

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    Extreme circumstances call for extreme measures. When your last 55 drop backs result in 102 net yards, there is something fundamentally flawed that needs to be changed.
     
  17. vt_dolfan

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    I just think your trying to establish an identiy for our team. What would have been the issue with calling a TO..pulling the guys in..and said we havent done **** all game..but I believe in you. I know you can put some damned points on the board."
     
  18. Alex44

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    To play devils advocate, backing his head coach in public doesn't mean he actually agreed or agrees. It could simply be a public vote of confidence to show they are on the same page. Even if they arent.
     
  19. Dolphans Unite!

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    Right, like the starting quarterback, and rest assured that'll be changed if this continues.
     
  20. vt_dolfan

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    Where did Tannehill say he aggreed with the decision. To me it sounded like he didnt
     
  21. Dolphans Unite!

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    There isn't any player with an ounce of competitiveness who's going to say he "agrees" with a decision like that, but then notice Tannehill had nothing to point to to controvert it, either.
     
  22. SkapePhin

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    With this decision (among others), Failbin has managed to make even Wannstedt and Sparano seem like General Patton by comparison. I have never seen this level of scared coaching on the professional level.
     
  23. vt_dolfan

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    As a competitor I wanted to take the ball down and score but that was Joe Philbin’s call,” Tannehill said in his post-game interview. “He wanted to get to half-time knowing we would get the ball in the 2nd half”.

    Whered did that sound like he agreed?
     
  24. Alex44

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    Im just going by what others here are saying. I didnt see the quote myself.
     
  25. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I just posted exactly what he said...where does that sound like he agreed with the call..
     
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  26. byroan

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    Because it's obvious by his post.

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  27. gunn34

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    In the two games this year, the team was not prepared to start the game. The last two games last year, we needed one win to get into the playoffs. We were not prepared to play those games. Philbin has failed this team and city. He must go.

    We have a lot of talent on this team that will be waisted if we don't make a move on coaching very soon.
     
  28. Alex44

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    It doesn't really. Was just clarifying that my response was based on what the poster (and a few others) were saying rather than a quote Id seen.
     
  29. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    That sounds like an HC with balls...we don't have one.
     
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  30. vt_dolfan

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    I was talking strictly about on the sideline...Dan would have gone ape****..it wasnt because of his ability...that would have been because that **** just wasnt gonna happen..lol. Dan was probably the fiercest competitor Ive ever seen.
     
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  31. Alex44

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    FWIW 2:30 is more than 1/8 of a quarter. You should be able to mount a drive in 1/8 of a quarter.]

    What it boils down to in my opinion is Philbin playing "not to lose" rather than to win.
     
  32. PhinFan1968

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    He don't have the "go for the throat" gene.
     
  33. yoge

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    I didnt know Joe Philbin played in that game
     
  34. Alex44

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    To me its like a boxer taking a big shot, then dancing around the ring the rest of the round not throwing a punch. Yeah maybe you didn't take another shot, but you lost the round and the momentum.
     
  35. vt_dolfan

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    He was playing the numbers. Again..I hate this..I see it as playing scared..but it did work out as he was hedging it would. They made adjustments....and two times got the team within 6 points. If Buffalo got the ball back..and scored..we would have been down 17. IMO..so what..if I felt like I could make the adustments down 9/0..I can get us back from 17. Numbers worked for him..but just a horrible message to send your team.
     
  36. PhinFan1968

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    Sure as hell didn't coach it either.
     
  37. Alex44

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    The problem is even though it worked out as he was hedging it would, it's still a terrible decision. Your goal with the ball, three timeouts and 2:30 left should never be to run the clock out. We actually had enough time outs that if we moved the ball and punted, we could have gotten it back in good field position with 40 seconds or so left.
     
  38. MrClean

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    So many here seem ready to fire Philbin after the Bills game when there were many similar scenarios playing out all across the league yesterday.

    The Saints are 0-2 after losing to the lowly Browns. The Seahawks dismantled the Packers in Week 1, then with 3-4 extra days to prepare for Week 2, they travel down the coast to San Diego and get beat by the Chargers. The Bears lose at home to the Bills, then travel out to San Fran and beat the 49ers. After their exciting win over the Saints, the Falcons got thumped by the Bengals. The Jets were up 21-3 on the Packers and blow the lead. Then when it appears they scored the tying TD, the play was negated because someone on their sidelines called a timeout right before the snap. The Patriots blew a 10 point lead in Week 1, and were shutout in the 2nd half while getting thumped by some team in some state that looks a pistol or a *****, then travel for a 2nd straight week and kick the Vikings butts. The same Vikings who slaughtered the Rams on the road, only to come home and lay an egg. The Lions offense looked unstoppable against the Giants in Week 1, only to get held to 7 points by the Panthers, whom although they have a fine front 7, are not known for having a great set of DBs. Their corners are veteran journeyman Antoine Cason and 2nd year UDFA Melvin White. The Titans looked resurgent in Week 1, scoring 26 on the road against the Chiefs, only to come home and get held to 10 by the Cowboys' lowly defense. The Bucs, with a head coach that many here would have welcomed in Miami this past off season, have begun the season with 2 straight home losses, including to the injury riddled Rams in Week 2. After getting beaten so badly at home by the Vikings, did anyone give the Rams a chance traveling to Tampa and starting their 3rd QB?

    I'd guess there maybe a lot of Fans on message boards for a lot of teams, complaining about how their coach sucks for various reasons.

    But, this is the NFL, the Any Given Sunday league.
     
  39. SkapePhin

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    So Philbin loses to the Bills on 3 consecutive "any given Sundays" in almost precisely the same way??

    Stop making excuses, Philbin does nothing for this team. We'd have similar results with a high school principal on the sidelines.


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  40. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I agree...horrible decision.
     

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