So in 5 full seasons, Burrow has missed 14 starts due to injury and Tua has missed 15 starts. Each team, with their starting QB, has won 38 games. Each QB has lead their team to 2 playoff appearances. The Bengals had the 7th ranked offense and 17th ranked defense and the 7th ranked offense and 6th ranked defense in their two appearances. The Dolphins had the 11th and 24th and 2nd and 22nd, respectively. Should the Bengals trade Burrow?
Saying "2 playoff appearances" isn't really a fair way of comparing. Burrow is 5-2 in playoff games with some impressive performances despite a crap OL and a SB appearance while Tua is 0-1. I don't think Burrow or Tua should be traded. But Burrow > Tua.
Of course Burrow is better. My point is, both guys have lead their teams to the playoffs twice and been injured pretty much the same amount of time. Unfortunately Tua couldn’t play in his team’s first playoff appearance, but Skyler lost to the Bills by 3. I’m thinking with Tua they go a lot further that year. Didn’t happen, of course, so it’s not really fair to give Tua credit for an “almost”, but even so, Tua has lead better offenses with much worse defenses into the playoffs.
Are you referring to the Cincinnati Superbowl year as "one" appearance? It was multiple and in fact included beating Buffalo in Buffalo and beating KC. If Tua had one year like that there would be a whole lot more love.
How else would you describe one year that ended in the playoffs? Again, I'm not saying that Burrow isn't better. I've said many times that he is. However, one of the huge complaints around here is Tua being injured. Yet it's overlooked for Burrow even though he's missed the same number of games as Tua due to injury. And all I read from some here is that getting to the playoffs doesn't matter, but rather a SB win is all that counts. Neither has done that, either. Then I read how it's "only about the wins" and stats don't mean anything. Yet Tua and Burrow have won the same amount of games. This thread is about the goalpost moving and hypocrisy.
That 2022 season, Miami had already beaten Buffalo and with Skylar in the wildcard playoff game, the Dolphins lost only by 3. Now, could the Dolphins had defeated Buffalo in the wildcard game? Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know.
I think I'd argue that acting like Tua and Burrow are the same with respect to the playoffs is the must disingenuous argument yet. Tua hasn't even come close to doing what Burrow has accomplished.
I think I’d argue that no one did that. Leading a team into the playoffs was the goalpost. Just because some want to now move the goalposts (shocking) in order to make Burrow look better (which has already been stated due to other reasons) doesn’t mean the goalposts should be moved. What has Burrow accomplished that Tua hasn’t? Individually, I mean. I’ll wait. And, why isn’t anyone talking about “wins” when it comes to Tua and Burrow? How about games missed due to injury? Care to discuss that? What about years missing the playoffs when they were each the starting QB from season day 1? Doesn’t fit narratives is why it’s not being discussed.
Also I think depending on having a receiver come close to 2k yards in a season, to drive the offense, is not a great plan. Like 22/23 Hill was close to 2k yards both years. Also, in '22 we lost the last 5 games, again cause of injuries to Tua right??, And backed into the playoffs. At least we didn't crushed in that playoff game.
Sure thing. I think it's incredibly disingenuous to say both have 2 appearances, when one was clearly better than the other. Also, I'm not sure who you're claiming is saying that a playoff appearance is the goal. That isn't what I've been arguing, or the people that you group with me, have been arguing. In fact, our argument all along has been that we don't care about "making the playoffs" if we can't be competitive in said playoffs.
What tangent are you even going off on now? Lol Chase had about the same number rif yards this season that Tyreek had in the seasons you’re mentioning. So now WR passing yards is a knock on the QB? Is that why “Burrow” missed the playoffs this year? Lmao
How many playoff appearances has each QB lead their teams to? What were each team’s defensive rankings when they got to the playoffs? What about the health of each team? How many SB’s has each QB won? What’s disingenuous is overlooking Burrow on everything you criticize Tua for. Again, no one is claiming Tua is better, the point is you should really have different reasons as to why he’s better.
Hmm?Playoffs wins 5 to 0.AFC championships 1 to 0. How many times throwing over 30 tds 3 to 0. Not sure how these two are comparable.
1. Sure if you want to talk about rankings etc, fine. But then you get pissy when we start talking about vs winning teams, etc. 2. I've never pushed any particular QB. I can be critical of Tua without advocating for different QBs. However, no, I don't think Tua is as effective as Burrow. I don't trust Tua to perform as much as I trust Burrow. 3. For like 5 years we've been told that Tua is just as good if not better than these other QBs. Now suddenly the argument is what? Tua isn't as good as them but can be just as effective as them?
I think out of the 5 Qbs drafted that year the Bengals have the worst organization followed by the Phins.I would have the Chargers at two but they finally got it right hiring Harbaugh.
1. Actually, no one gets pissy about the winning teams thing. I actually broke it down awhile back and it showed Burrow was better, but not overwhelming so and Tua was on par with Herbert. Another coveted QB around here. It was ignored, however. 2. No one has said Tua is better than Burrow. That’s just the new talking point around here. 3. What has actually been said is that Tua is a middling QB who can’t throw a deep ball, needs to be surrounded by superstars, wouldn’t be able to utilize Tyreek, and is injured too often… to name just a few criticism. The first 3 things are provably false and he’s injured no more than Burrow. However, instead of acknowledging those things, the goalposts have shifted. Now we have some saying that 2 appearances in the playoffs (or leading the team to the playoffs) isn’t true because Cinci won some playoff games. It’s all spelled out there in the first post I made.
