Jarvis Jones expected to slide.

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Yes statements are subject to interpretations. But it helps when the statements are recalled correctly. As i recall, the statement in question, he didn't say "play makers". He said "takeaways".
     
  2. CANDolphan

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    How serious is that spinal issue? Because the guy is absolutely insane on the field. Actually, every UGA game I saw, I couldn't stop watching their LB play. All of them seemed to just blanket the field.
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    I can't help but think spinal stenosis is all the more of a concern for a linebacker as opposed to other positions because everything at that position is just constant impact, trauma, tackling, etc.
     
  4. MrClean

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    Squats are overrated anyway. Do deadlifts with a trap bar, and they work the same exact muscles but in a more natural and safer manner.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Who knows you know, the kid could of gotten real freaked out by the diagnosis, the fact that USC didnt want to clear him, and just said screw I'll just go on natural ability..
     
  6. MrClean

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    Just looking what he can already do on a football field, what would doing heavy squats give him, assuming he does not do them now. If he situates the bar properly in a squat, it wouldn't be riding on his neck anyway.
     
  7. Bpk

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    When you and Deej get into your muscle-talk I picture you and him starring in this together in place of Wahlberg and the Rock.
    [video=youtube;SEQ8jyvmYtw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEQ8jyvmYtw&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]

    Then I want to ask you both... Do you even lift, bro?
     
  8. MrClean

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    We've discussed it before in PMs. Did you forget?
     
  9. djphinfan

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    So we know for sure the stenosis is in his neck?, either way, if the kid got diagnosed with it, I'm sure putting any type of compression on the spine was prohibited..so placing the bar elsewhere I don't think would be the answer either.

    Doing squats at this point is not necessary like you said, train around the kids issue and protect at all costs..I just mentioned squats as a metaphor for not touching weights when you get diagnosed with spinal stenosis.
     
  10. djphinfan

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    I don't lift too much anymore, mostly doing body movements that use your own weight for resistance is what I'm about, incredibly clean, multiple angled push-ups, same for dips, pull ups, abs, and lunges...doing everything with perfect form is the key here, full range of motion is key, and you will develop a nice lean look..add good nutrition, drop your carbs at night, and I could make you look pretty BK.

    Little tip for you BK, don't ever use weight resistance for your abs, the great Frank Zane told me that, and if you look at his photos, you will not see protruding abdominal and oblique muscles, you will see a sunken shredded beautiful lines to that area, instead of bulk and growth from the muscles....yucky.
     
  11. MrClean

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    I'd guess there are many lifts he could do even having stenosis and not endanger himself. With squats, I'd have him just put like 225 on and do high reps. Like 20-25. I've seen some get massive quads never going above 315 and doing 90% of the work in squats with something like 225x20 for 10 sets about twice a week. Then once or twice a month, though not really necessary, but for a little change up, go up to 315 and drops the reps down to 8-10 for 5 of the 10 sets.
     
  12. MrClean

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    Zane is a class act. He has more character and class in his pinky toe than the sociopath Arnold has in his entire body. One of my best friend's heroes in body building was Zane, because they're about the same height. Even though I'm taller, for my money the best physique ever was the late Mike Mentzer when he was at his peak. I never could get the best results though following Mentzer's protocol. I think he was just uniquely gifted when it comes to genetics. A few other guys did well on Mentzer's "Heavy Duty" though. Casey Viator, Ray Mentzer and Dorian Yates all got great results on it. Before anyone jumps in here with the obvious comment of "yeah but they were all juicing!!!"...Duh, I know that. DJ knows that. So don't bother. However, juicing alone does not make you big and does not make you strong. You still have to workout like a mad fiend to get the builds those guys had.
     
  13. djphinfan

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    Designing a program without knowing the severity of the diagnosis is futile, but your right, there many things he could do to keep his body right, he might lose some weight because it won't allow power movements, but it could increase his speed and endurance..

    The combine will tell us a lot Mr C about what type of work he's been doing in the gym and how hard he's been pushing..

    My initial point was that when a kid hears they have spinal stenosis and will not be cleared enough by doctors to play, I'm not sure he had the right guys around him to design alternative things, and I'm not sure that it wouldn't scare the sh@& out of someone to the point of not wanting to really even go in a weight room..especially if he hears no compression..you know his mama told him to stay away from the weights..I just think this might tie into what we heard about him not being seen in the weight room during the week but coming out in Saturdays like a crazed dog.
     
  14. djphinfan

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    this is fun, Mentzer was a genetic freak, noone had better symmetrical balance then mentz, but what made Arnold so unique was the length of his limbs, he understood how to develop and elongate the muscle, which created a beautiful aesthetic
     
  15. djphinfan

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    Oh and Zane was my favorite..best overall imo, so pretty.
     
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    I love the way he finishes on the Qb, because its not about the hit, he has this innate ability combined with a conscious effort to strip and finish that is so dangerous for the opponent..
     
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  19. ckparrothead

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    While Jarvis Jones is not a Von Miller in my opinion, he's a heck of a good football player that would look good in most uniforms. But if he's not special like a Von Miller then I do think resource allocation questions come into it, and especially medical questions.

    I mean either USC doctors are out there trying to be activists on the issue of spinal stenosis in football, or you had a set of doctors at a school with an extremely highly touted football program refusing to let one of the team's most talented players play football...for a reason.

    That's the thing. All the pressure has got to be on allowing the player to play, informing him of the risks and allowing him to make an adult decision. So it doesn't stand out to me that Georgia's doctors invited him in for some sweet tea and to play some dawgs football. And the first doctor, the way he put it, he almost just seemed totally resigned to the fact that football players are killing themselves slowly but surely. But it stands out to me when doctors of a team stand up and say no, we are not allowing one of your best players to get back out on that field and play because we think more hits are going to do him permanent damage. That's going against the grain and it stands out to me.

    It makes me nervous. I can't help but be nervous about it particularly because of the position Jarvis plays. He's going to be hitting players his entire career. I hope it's a long one and I hope it's a successful one. But I'd be nervous if he were in a Dolphins uniform.
     
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  20. djphinfan

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    just a thought here, but after watching him so much, I think he's ahead of the curve on the NFL new tackling techniques, you just never see this kid with his head down, or leading with his head, maybe that comes from the injury where he's learned to play in a more upright position.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    I'm nervous about it too..hopefully the closer we get the more info will become available, maybe even a professional NFL medical staff eval.
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    I'm not expecting any more clarity about it whatsoever as we get closer to the Draft. These universities aren't running mickey mouse operations in the medical department. They know what they're doing. If you've got one university saying no way to him playing under their flag, and another university saying "C'mawn down, go dawgs!"...then that pretty much is a representation of how I expect the NFL doctors to end up feeling about it. Some will be concerned. Others won't.
     
  23. djphinfan

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    well pissass then, that sucks.
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    I question whether or not he's stout enough to be our SAM linebacker in base defense. I can understand weakside OLB in a 3-4, but asking him to do some of the things Misi does scares me.
     

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