James Walker thoughts on McShays first Mock Draft pick for dolphins

I'm certainly not against adding a pass-rusher. I'm not sure Dion Jordan is the guy I'd add though.

 

DE would be a great choice, i don't know where this "analyst" comes out saying it would be a "bone-headed" move to draft pass rusher.

 

Its no secret to beat brady you have to rush the passer.Ask the giants.Anybody have any insight on this guy?

 

He's really athletic and tall, he's being compared to Jason Pierre-Paul. Oregon doesn't use him as much as they should rushing the passer and I think he drops into coverage a little much. He's supposed to have huge upside.

That's what I've heard about him.

CK or Phinsational could probably go into more depth about him.

 

I disagree with this assessment. Were picking 12th so BPA is subjective.

 

Except when it affects balance to a degree that is unhealthy..

 

Go for value....BPA.

 

And once again James Walker shows how little he knows about football. The Dolphins need another pass rusher almost as much as they need a WR and this draft is stacked with big time pass rushers in the 1st round. On the other hand, the WR crop is fairly unspectacular. You will most likely be reaching if you take a WR and all of them have question marks and none of them are elite prospects. IMO the Dolphins should draft a WR or 2 later on in the draft, but if you want to give immediate help to Tannehill you're going to have to spend money in the FA market where there will be no shortage of talent at WR and TE. Most likely the best value the Dolphins will get with their pick is a pass rusher based on the fact that it's probably the strength of the draft.

 

You're right Dupree. And James Walker is wrong. I won't to be too hard on him because its the sort of superficial conclusion you'd come to if you don't spend hundreds of hour watching discussing and analyzing Dolpjins football like we do.

Odrick is being wasted at DE with little pass rush impact. Ditto Vernon who is a far better LB than DE imo.

A great rush end makes our line dominant like the Giants lines that beat Brady four times in a row.

It also makes all the CBs and Safeties look better.

So McShay is not crazy for thinking a DE would be a good pickup. The thing is, this draft has a half dozen good pass rushers... So I'd like to see us package some picks and get up into the late 1st to get one there.

 

What if its at Center, or OT, or a possession receiver, or nose tackle.

Knowwhatimsayin?

 

DE makes sense. Not only to help the secondary and bring a consistent pass rush...but also to account for the eventuality that Cameron Wake's skills will erode. Sure he doesn't have a lot of wear and tear but he relies on his physicality and he'll be in his 30's. That drop off can hit fast.

Then you can go heavy on offense in the 2nd/3rd.

If were going to add a CB I'd do it in FA.

 

For the JPP there's also a Gholston. Upside means you haven't done it. I'd love a JPP or Aldon Smith but I'm skeptical of the "physical freak" college DE.

 

Watt is 6'6" though.

 

you also must learn to catch footballs with your helmet.

 

Many find him to be a top player but I have concerns about his ability to flatten the edge.

 

Different build. He's no JPP or Smith either.

 

The thing is WR is pretty weak for 1st round talent. Compare it to the DE class and it should be a no brainer Keenan Allen might be the best WR but I'd rather have a DE from this years class.

 

Fortunately, in the name of Quinton Patton, good WRs come outside the first too.

 

Yeah, but I wouldn't take Patton til really late.

Here you go guys.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2012/12/6/3736570/2013-nfl-draft-dion-jordan-defensive-ends

 

Then you won't be taking him.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/41759/321/

 

Good article.

I love talking about the draft, even though I quite often don't have any idea what I'm talking about, haha.

 

I believe there is one player that we have the chance to aquire that has the potential to give this franchise the identity it desperately needs..

T'eo.

I think we need to study this player from head to toe, and absolutely prioritize the intangibles that this young man could bring to a team and city like ours..

 

Well if its Ireland picking I have complete faith that its the best player available at that spot.......

 

On one hand you can NEVER have too many pass rushers. No QB can throw from his backside. On the other hand we need receivers like a crackhead needs a fix. We havent had great receivers here since the Marks brothers. We need to sign one from Bowe/Jennings/Wallace and draft one early (within the first two rounds). Keenan Allen has to be a serious consideration if hes still on the board (which I dont know if he was since I dont have insider).

 

He plays for Notre Dame. So he's also not the far (playing for Indiana) from being a complete nobody. I've seen countless LBs better than him not get a sniff of a Heisman or anything close to the recognition. I mean, is he better than Rolando McClain, Brandon Spikes, Luke Keuchly, DJ Williams, Jon Beason?

Lemme guess, he'll be taken later than expected and everyone will talk about how much of a steal he was.

 

have you seen our offense ? If Ireland goes defense in the 1st round that will be it for many Dolphin fans. With his already saying we're not going after a WR in free agency, it means they are looking to the draft. Last year he waited until the 6th round to pick one. They have to be thinking offense with that pick and not an OLineman, but a skill player.

 

Id prefer Wallace or Bowe over Jennings and Allen or Cordarrelle Patterson/Justin Hunter over Patton but yeah generally speaking I think we're on the same page.

 

To beat Brady you also need to score points. Scoring less than 18 a game isn't going to beat Brady anytime soon.

 

I'm not sure if folks now how good Greg Jennings is..

 

Many Dolphin fans are total idiots. Smart people in real life, so no disrespect to anyone, but unaware that their intelligence doesn't extend into the nuances of drafting, or football in general for that matter. Drafts aren't planned based on who needs what where at this or that position. Players are ranked according to how good of a prospect they are and how likely they are to be good players over the first several years of their career. Only an idiot, soon to be fired GM would focus his draft strategy on who's already on the team (or what fans want). Meanwhile the non-idiot GMs will be drafting based on what is available in the current year's draft, who are the best players available at the various positions and how best to improve the team over the next several years.

So it's entirely possible that Irish wont take a WR in the first round, especially if there isn't one he deems worthy of a top 10-12 pick. If there's a quality pass rusher, CB, OL, LB, etc with Pro Bowl potential he'd be a fool to take a lesser prospect over them.

 

The question is, how good will he be over the next 4-6 years. Because that's how long he's gonna want to get paid based on what he's done so far.

 

Hes very good but hes frequently injured with hamstrings and knees. Makes me question his long term durability and whether he will be here by the time we are good again. Wallace is my first choice cause hes younger and his speed is a legitimate rare weapon. Bowe or Jennings are a fine consolation prize

 

I don't see that length panning out one way or the other, I'll take 29 to 32... The new prime age in pro athletes careers...

Of course were talking healthy here, but every player who has longevity doesn't get thru it without having a few years of injuries in there, unless your a freak.

I think he is a great football player..if we have a chance to add that combined with his familiarity with our coach and statement, I think your setting up your young Qb with a better variables.

 

I really wouldn't get your hopes with up when it comes to a free agency wide receiver. If we get one of these guys you are all mentioning, then that's cool, but don't go slitting your throats when it doesn't happen.

I don't like Quinton Patton as much as the other draft-eligible receivers either. I like him past the 2nd round, but not as a 2nd round selection. There's a lot that can change obviously from right now to the actual combine but I believe the Dolphins will take serious consideration of these prospects:

Chance Warmack, Guard, Alabama
Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
Dion Lewis, DE, Oregon
Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
Jake Matthews, OT, TAMU

IF THEY FALL TO US:
Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame
Demarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama
Damontre Moore, DE, TAMU (this is definitely not gonna happen, he might even go back to school)

I think the only one that could realistically fall to us is Te'o, and I even find that highly unlikely. It would be a BPA pick for sure if that happened. I also don't think Jeffy will trade back out of the slot we will be in at the time of the draft, as there will still be some fairly good caliber prospects in the range we are picking. HOWEVER, I think there is a good chance that Ireland might trade back into the first round if the price is right using, possibly, one of our post-second round picks (probably a little more). Now you're looking at a Tyler Eifert or maybe a Xavier Rhodes.

At this point I'm conveying what I would do onto what Jeff Ireland would do, which is pretty much useless, because I don't think anyone knows what he's going to do.

 

What do you think he'll do this year? I know its really early.

 

Like it was yesterday, he planted that right foot on that slant, didnt lose a stitch a speed in doing so, and he gone, leaving VD in a futile chase questioning his own speed along the way.

 

I believe we need to include Misi into the equation when discussing the value of this particular decision..it was pretty much two for one, and Misi is emerging.