Jake Long outcome with Miami Dolphins could open door for Eric Fisher

I strongly disagree with anyone who believes a great oline doesn't have a big impact on games. We also know that highly drafted linemen have a much stronger success correlation. IMO, if you want a great oline then you use the resources (high picks) to do so rather than employing the mindset of "Well I want a great Oline but I'll skimp on the resources (use lower draft picks) and hope they pan out and turn into studs".

 

WTH are you talking about? Did the NFL give Balt back the 1st rounder they spent on Grubbs?

 

After having Witten, Bryant, Austin et al you mean?

 

You know who else made it to back to back Championship games after spending high picks on OLmen and not playmakers?

The Jets, how is that working out for them now?

 

The point I think I made fairly clearly is that Green Bay drafted two tackles in round one in back to back years. Whether they started or not is beside the point.

 

Padre, seriously pack it in.

 

You made some spurious point about Dallas not having first round pick linemen.

 

He was a first round pick. He plays on the Saints OL.

End of debate.

 

exactly. The point is the Packers, a Championship caliber organization, understands the importance of Oline play and invested the resources into the position.

 

I don't think Fisher makes it to 12 anyway so I think this argument is moot. He's the 2nd rated tackle after a guy who could very well be the 1st pick.

 

Doesn't he play opposite a guard the Saints re-signed for $56 million?

 

Arguably the best guard in football you mean?

 

How is that?

 

Reggie also said jake Long was the reason for that long run vs the Raiders. he came to Reggie and pointed something out with the bocking, and suggested a plan for 'if this... then let's do that...' When "if' happened on the next play, Long did what he planned, and Reggie did what Long suggested, and the result was a long TD that is one of the plays of the year.

 

They run traps, leads and pulls with them in run game.

 

And both team's left tackles are first rounders.

Now what do we do?

The answer is, you don't miss on your picks. You can;t afford to have Odricks and Vontaes... because you only GET one first rounder a year and that sum-***** has to turn into that starting Left Tackle for so long that you aren't replacing him before you've had time to use firsts to get DEs and other positions too.

Ireland acquires talent. He just acquires it at too low a hit rate and pace to actually ACCUMULATE top notch roster talent. It walks out the door.

Plus we aren't outperforming other teams with our FA signings.. so we are treading water while some teams can trade excess talent away periodically (Eagles QBs for a few year there, Patriots, etc).

 

I am more on board with O-linemen moving teams and performing well on a new team in FA than Wide Receivers seem to, so I'd be fine with this approach.

 

The Faneca and Pace deals began to put them in that hole. But signing a Pro Bowl OL in Free Agency is not the same as drafting a 1st round O-lineman. You get a better deal in the draft.

 

Still can't understand this mentality. If a pass rusher can be worth X, how can you suggest neutralizing that is way less valuable?

 

A valid point, tainted by Jerry Jones making that move.

 

Not by the Saints, they are smarter overall than to do so.

Once the "first rd pick" nonsense is shed, it comes down to resume' (or QED), Saints paid him b/c of what he did on the field not his draft status..recall that guy named Carl Nicks?

Yeah, he was pretty good, 4th rd pick

 

B/c they don't "neutralize" them?

B/c one can find a player to do a similar job, without the resource cost?

B/c they do not score Td's?

I've heard that clap trap, for yrs now, it is bull****, the equivalent of needing a 300 dollar wrench to change a 1 dollar light bulb.

Waste of resources to say the least

Put it another way, if you take an offensive lineman top 10, fire your GM

 

Are we really using the Saints as a model of draft and team building efficiency? Really?

Are we really saying eff the Giants, Steelers, Packers and Ravens, and making the Saints the brass ring? Really?


C'mon....really?

 

An elite tackle is going to beat an elite pass rusher more often than not by a pretty frequent margin.

Just like any other position. But if you're suggesting there isn't a big difference between a great performance and an average performance, you're not paying adequate attention. It's not obvious, but it's there and it is quite important, and I don't think it takes a huge leap or burden of technical knowledge to realize why.

Don't draft them in fantasy football, then?

Write enough sincere letters and maybe you'll start a money-ball style revolution in the NFL, because I'm not sure any professional would agree with you.

 

As I've stated, top 3 in 08:

-Jake Long
-Chris Long
-Matt Ryan

Pro bowlers all, 2 have bright futures, one is likely not to return to the team that drafts them

Which one is it?

There was a study done, concerning how to win wars, the findings were fire the generals from the last war and bring in new thinking

I'm tired of trite generals who fight the last war.

 

Resign Long and Starks and draft Cooper.

Would give us really strong lines on both sides

 

If we resign Long for any more then 6-7 mil a year then we are over-paying him.

 

Stop adding caveats to try and build your story.

 

The question was: "how many first round picks on that line"

End of.

 

I'm not sure what you think any of that suggests. Jake Long is a possibility to be off the team because his injury history and recent slip in play. That's not something at all unique to his position.