Is Ryan Tannehill the long term solution at QB?

"adamprez2003 wrote:

where are they run blocking or are we playing flag football now

Brady doesn't benefit from the run blocking smart guy. Pass blocking they are 21st. They have injuries on the line and another one of their O line retired this offseason. Their line isn't top notch like it used to be. But Brady is still putting up some of his best numbers ever and they're 7-0 because of it. What excuses do you have for Tannehill now troll?

"adamprez2003 wrote:

do you grasp that simply saying they have backups in doesnt mean they have a bad line? i mean does that compute with you. what are they run blocking? still waiting

Well since they're 21st in pass blocking.....

"Phins Up Wins Up wrote:

Brady doesn't benefit from the run blocking smart guy. Pass blocking they are 21st. They have injuries on the line and another one of their O line retired this offseason. Their line isn't top notch like it used to be. But Brady is still putting up some of his best numbers ever and they're 7-0 because of it. What excuses do you have for Tannehill now troll?

wow. brady doesnt benefit from run blocking? i apologize. i thought your previous statement was the most ignorant but I underestimated you. you really are priceless

"adamprez2003 wrote:

mike wallace says hi

Nice reply, I make you look silly and you deflect with a topic from 2013. You must donate a lot of money

"Fin-O wrote:

Nice reply, I make you look silly and you deflect with a topic from 2013. You must donate a lot of money

He got me ZERO points today. UGH!!!

"adamprez2003 wrote:

wow. brady doesnt benefit from run blocking? i apologize. i thought your previous statement was the most ignorant but I underestimated you. you really are priceless

When we are talking about passing the football no it does not. I'm talking about directly effecting the time he has to pass the ball. Something you pro Tannehill people always harp about. He never has enough time. It's always because of bad pass blocking. 21st in pass blocking and still putting up great numbers and 7-0.

"yogi superstar wrote:

He got me ZERO points today. UGH!!!

He he is a FA in my league...he was open by about 3 yards and was overthrown, but at the same time didn't show any effort in laying out or trying to make a great play. Mike Wallace is a non issue and has been since last spring, yet for some reason he is worried about when we obviously have enough of our own problems down in South Beach.

"Fin-O wrote:

He he is a FA in my league...he was open by about 3 yards and was overthrown, but at the same time didn't show any effort in laying out or trying to make a great play. Mike Wallace is a non issue and has been since last spring, yet for some reason he is worried about when we obviously have enough of our own problems down in South Beach.

I play Draftkings and him against the Bears looked like a lock. Ouch!

Plus New England doesn't run the ball very much for the most part. A couple games ago they ran a grand total of 5 times. So what does it matter about their run blocking? They are one dimensional as you can get but Brady leads them to victory. He has a line of back ups who are 21st in pass blocking. But he gets the ball out quick and gets through his reads without hesitation. Something Tannehill doesn't do.

No you don't watch football if you still think New England has a top notch offensive line.

Getting back on topic, I think it's somewhat shocking that only 37% of people voted "yes" to the idea that Ryan Tannehill is a long-term answer at QB. Given that 48 people voted, that's saying something.

Maybe the other 63% are wrong but damn, I'm pretty shocked so many people aside from myself selected either B or C.

"Phins Up Wins Up wrote:

No you don't watch football if you still think New England has a top notch offensive line.

if you say it three times in a row and click your heels you'll be back in kansas

"adamprez2003 wrote:

Teach them how to cheat?

The seasons after scandals, Brady has gone undefeated with the exception of the Super Bowl loss to the Giants featuring the Tyree head catch. If they're cheating, everybody else deserves to lose for not finding out how to catch them.

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"DolphinGreg wrote:

Getting back on topic, I think it's somewhat shocking that only 37% of people voted "yes" to the idea that Ryan Tannehill is a long-term answer at QB. Given that 48 people voted, that's saying something.

Maybe the other 63% are wrong but damn, I'm pretty shocked so many people aside from myself selected either B or C.

I selected C = need to see more, simply for the reason that Tannehill is almost guaranteed to be our QB next year anyway, and we might as well see the entire body of work before deciding. Nevertheless, I agree with those who say Tannehill hasn't shown he's more than a game manager. Problem is, finding a very good QB is very difficult, so you have to set the bar pretty high for embarking on a search for a new QB. Game manager is fine with me if he can do it well consistently, but he's gotta prove that in his remaining time here.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

Ok...fair enough...I can respect that. I've been where you are making that argument before so I know the frustration. But can I pose an honest question, please? A question that arises in my head when someone insinuates that Miami's roster is chock full of great talent that is beyond reproach.

How did the players on that list of yours get their? Why is James on there? Probably because he's a first rounder who was handed a starting spot and you want to believe he's good. Why is Grimes on there? Probably because of how he played two years ago. Why is Pouncey on there? Probably because of how he played 2 years ago. Why is Vernon on there? Probably because of how he played 2 years ago. Why is Wake on there? Probably because of who he was 2 years ago.

No offense, but you might want to reconsider your defense of those guys. James hasn't been more than an average tackle this year and Pouncey is making a ton of mistakes himself. Grimes has been good, not great. Vernon is nothing and Wake is now the old guy I feared he'd become if we didn't trade him.

We can't hold players above criticism and act like half the roster are these amazingly good players when in reality they are only standing out because of either short stints of quality play or because of bad players next to them that leave a lot to be desired. This is a team that has been 8-8 over the last 2 years. No matter what happened during that stretch, there probably aren't 10 really great players on this roster who are above criticism. That's precisely what's wrong with this team--no one is held to the standards you'd see with a real Play-off team.

I don't disagree for a second that this team is in dire need of some talent at FS, CB, LB, G and DE, but aside from the obvious why are we protecting all these other players? We shouldn't be. They are getting to be quite over-rated.

I'll grant you that Jones is a good strong safety and that Suh is as competent today as he was last year or the year before up in Detroit but those are the only two standouts as far as I can see. Landry I like but I feel is motivated and valuable but inherently limited because of size. Matthews I want to continue to see as a starter before I get behind him. Parker I know nothing about right now. Cameron seems to me to be under-utilized.

I mean, take Vernon for example. Screw that guy. He's certainly not above criticism. He's exactly what we fans should be criticizing! He's someone who should be doing significantly better than he is yet for no reason I can see he's not. He's a big part of the reason Miami isn't very good right now. He's underachieving big time. He's been rather unproductive for 2 of his 3 seasons and now he's in a contract year in which everything should be going well for him and it should 100% effort that we see. He should be out there looking like Wake and Landry but he's not. He walks around with the Swagger of Dez Bryant but produces like a lot of the JAGs we had in the past. He's another Matt Roth--a solid guy to have around but ultimately not someone who's doing anything for you if you're goal is to advance beyond 8-8.

the list i gave is of our better players, the ones giving us a fighting chance each sunday. they are not above reproach but when you have 30 other players or so playing below their levels and you feel the need to gravitate to the problems of this team you should be spending your time on players who dont contribute, who are our weak links. You dont bash someone who is playing well and demand that he play great. my way of thinking jason fox should have one hundred times the complaints that tannehill does

"cbrad wrote:

I selected C = need to see more, simply for the reason that Tannehill is almost guaranteed to be our QB next year anyway, and we might as well see the entire body of work before deciding. Nevertheless, I agree with those who say Tannehill hasn't shown he's more than a game manager. Problem is, finding a very good QB is very difficult, so you have to set the bar pretty high for embarking on a search for a new QB. Game manager is fine with me if he can do it well consistently, but he's gotta prove that in his remaining time here.

im all about that, this offseason we know what we need to do to see what his ceiling is all about...one hi draft pick, one free agent signing for the oline..and myles Jack or scooby.

"cbrad wrote:

I selected C = need to see more, simply for the reason that Tannehill is almost guaranteed to be our QB next year anyway, and we might as well see the entire body of work before deciding. Nevertheless, I agree with those who say Tannehill hasn't shown he's more than a game manager. Problem is, finding a very good QB is very difficult, so you have to set the bar pretty high for embarking on a search for a new QB. Game manager is fine with me if he can do it well consistently, but he's gotta prove that in his remaining time here.

I agree. He'll be the QB again next year, no doubt about it. I look forward to it. I thought this would be the year in which Tannehill finally had all the tools in place around him to shine as a feature player but this year is looking more like a disaster. We'll see where we are with coaches next year.

I treated the question more like "do you see Tannehill ever winning a Super Bowl in any capacity for the Dolphins."

To that I say no. I can't fathom that happening.

I posted a pretty vanilla statement about how Tannehill's YPA ranking has gone down every season from 22 to 27 to 28. The season before Tannehill was drafted, Moore was ranked 16th.

That argument went nowhere. It was dismissed because Moore was prone to INTs. Can't Tannehill at least match Moore without having as many INTs? That's not too much to ask.

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"adamprez2003 wrote:

the list i gave is of our better players, the ones giving us a fighting chance each sunday. they are not above reproach but when you have 30 other players or so playing below their levels and you feel the need to gravitate to the problems of this team you should be spending your time on players who dont contribute, who are our weak links. You dont bash someone who is playing well and demand that he play great. my way of thinking jason fox should have one hundred times the complaints that tannehill does

Okay....so you haven't seen the discussions going on about how bad the LBs are or how awful the list of CBs looks or how atrocious the Guard situation is? Did you read all the stuff people wrote about the owner? The front office? Maybe you missed all the stuff about how the coaching staff was bad?

We had those conversation too you know! ;)

It kind of seems like now that the focus has shifted to QB you don't want to hear it.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

Okay....so you haven't seen the discussions going on about how bad the LBs are or how awful the list of CBs looks or how atrocious the Guard situation is?

We had those conversation, too you know! ;)

It kind of seems like now that the focus has shifted to QB you don't want to hear it.

i wish we had these conversations. it seems every other thread is a tannehill thread. i would love to discuss other positions. the oline and linebackers would be great place to start or even the secondary. how's bobby mccain doing? shepard? turner? would love it. mccain and turner should be our focus right now because if they are servicable then its a position we can ignore next offseason

"cbrad wrote:

Body of work matters. If Brady throws 4 INT's and no TD's in one game (let's say), that should be judged differently than if Tannehill did it. I think you always have to put things in context. In Tannehill's case, that context is steady improvement from year to year (though this year is a ?? on that front) but never really showing he can compensate as much as certain QB's for weaknesses elsewhere on the team.

Fair enough. But the man threw for 4045 yards, 27 TDs and 12 int with a 93 rating. So shouldn't he get a pass when he ALMOST throws a pick?? And yes, I have seen him criticized here for ALMOST throwing a pick.

It's really idiotic.

"yogi superstar wrote:

Fair enough. But the man threw for 4045 yards, 27 TDs and 12 int with a 93 rating. So shouldn't he get a pass when he ALMOST throws a pick?? And yes, I have seen him criticized here for ALMOST throwing a pick.

It's really idiotic.

Yeah I was just talking in general, not about a specific play.

"cbrad wrote:

Body of work matters. If Brady throws 4 INT's and no TD's in one game (let's say), that should be judged differently than if Tannehill did it. I think you always have to put things in context. In Tannehill's case, that context is steady improvement from year to year (though this year is a ?? on that front) but never really showing he can compensate as much as certain QB's for weaknesses elsewhere on the team.

but he has improved this year. His touch on his passes from last year to this year is a marked improvement. he's learned how to arc the ball in between defenders. that's huge.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

i wish we had these conversations. it seems every other thread is a tannehill thread. i would love to discuss other positions. the oline and linebackers would be great place to start or even the secondary. how's bobby mccain doing? shepard? turner? would love it. mccain and turner should be our focus right now because if they are servicable then its a position we can ignore next offseason

Let's discuss Lazor.

he sucks. Has balanced play calling vs. Ten and Hou and we crush them. Then he goes all pass happy vs. NE and we get smashed.

Not consistent at all. Even if the run isn't working you keep calling it. Lamar should get 25 carries per game.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

but he has improved this year. His touch on his passes from last year to this year is a marked improvement. he's learned how to arc the ball in between defenders. that's huge.

He has made some throws this year that got me up out of chair. He is definitely improving.