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Is it a pyramid or is it a mountain/hill?

Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by alen1, May 30, 2008.

  1. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Pocoloco, this is what you were referring to when you stated that the biggest pyramids are on the coast of Peru, correct?
     
  2. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    yep. Those ones you have on the map are Initial Period or Early Horizon, which is to say the earliest, 1800 BC to 200 AD give or take. But they're not really pyramids, but if you calculated the volume of those monsters, they would be bigger than most pyramids in the world. If you divided volume by available workforce per century, the amount of work per person would probably be the largest at any time in anyone's prehistory.

    that same area, in different spots along the coast, saw what we could call pyramids later on. The best known are the Moche, but smaller pyramids are up and down the coast till about Lima (Sican, Vicus, Lurin, Pachacamac etc). That's where you want to go to see pyramids and big monuments, not Cuzco.

    The most impressive thing are the ruins of Chan Chan near Trujillo, a big mud brick city that you can see from space. Not pyramids, but still, the Andes really are an incredible place.
     
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  3. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Sorry if I keep asking so many questions, not intended to annoy you or anyone else. If I am, please tell me.

    If they're not really pyramids then I suspect they were religious centers like the articles stated that CT posted. They probably did their religious rituals in that center.

    I looked up the Chan Chan near Trujillo that you mentioned and they do seem to be very large but see it from space? It states that it is endangered because of the floods that occurred due to heavy rain.
     
  4. Fin D

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    I hate to say it, but this photo looks doctored to me. Is it an artist representation over the natural area?

    It is all one color, very little shadowing. The grass looks like it cuts off a huge rock on the right. Plus the grass immediately around the structure looks different than the grass in the rest of the photo. I think that maybe, their showing you what the "pyramid" would look like under the build up. Or maybe not. It just looks "CG plasticy" to me.
     
  5. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    You may be right bro, I am not sure. I just found it and posted it as the link stated it was a recent photo.

    I'll know for sure next summer, I'll be going to Bosnia. Once I see it for myself, I will take pictures and make sure I get a good look at their historical reference they have posted at the site. Once I come back, I will upload the photos and post it for you guys.
     
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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Good luck!!
     
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  7. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Thanks bro! It will be very exciting going back home for the first time in two or three years.
     
  8. ToMaHaWk

    ToMaHaWk New Member

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    That's a great way to quell the uncertainty in this discussion! :up: First-hand accounts always speak more for me than anything else, even if it was a professional's opinion on the matter.
     
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  9. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    That would make it a hole, Marty. Sheesh.
     
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  10. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    no problems, I used to work in Peru so I don't mind. No one really knows too much about those early centers, but some sort of religious function seems probable. You'd think more people would gravitate toward working on it, but the later Moche get the most attention. They are built in a few hundred years, abandoned, and a new one started in a neighboring valley. That happens again and again, almost like if people felt the act of getting together and constructing (rather than using the finished product) was the most important thing.

    El Ninos kill coastal Peru. It's all desert, gets very little moisture (just from sea fogs). El Ninos happen every 10 years, dumping some rain. Every now and then in prehistory, big ones would heavily erode the desert and silt over agricultural fields. When it go dry, that silt and sand would get kicked up by the wind and create huge sand dunes that covered over big centers in neighboring valleys. El Nino related problems are what's happening to Chan Chan, plus it's filled with squatters and you will get robbed or stabbed if you go wandering alone. Lots of people were into it in the early 80s, today only a handful. The big palaces (ciudadeles) have all been looted, but there's a lot of opportunity there for a young (and well-armed) archaeologist to study the lower class folks.
     
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    Ooo. Thats terrible to see :pity:. I'm assuming there is no way to protect the Chan Chan's from the El Ninos.
     
  12. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Nope. The mud-brick walls just slump into piles archaeologists call adobe melt. If oceans continue to warm and El Ninos increase in intensity and frequency, the ancient city will end up looking like a clay tennis court in another 50 years
     
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    alen1 New Member

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    Damn, thats sad to hear.
     
  14. Miamian

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    Jumping in here late. Poco, obviously, this is your area of expertise. Do you think that it's possible that thousands of years of weathering and natural growth would obfuscate an actual pyramid. I remember that the pyramid at Cobha in Yucatan looks a lot like just a tall hill, but it's an actual pyramid.
     
  15. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    It sure would. But in most part of the Yucatan it's pretty flat, so anything that stands up is suspicious. Even little mounds where commoner houses once sat, only a few feet higher than the surroundings, are visible and of interest to archaeologists.

    Normally the archaeologists see something on a satellite image or aerial photo and make a trip, only to find a looter trench. With a little clearing of that trench and the base, the pyramids are usually unmistakable, cut stone, rubble fill, inscriptions, stucco masks and so on. The only thing archaeologists could never see on the ground, but in thermal imagery, were vast networks of manmade raised fields, canals, and reservoirs that just look like swampy areas in the jungle.
     
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  16. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    This is not what I was looking for but its interesting nontheless.It pre-dates Incas and is considered to be one of the mother cities which other cultures were derived from

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJntU5C4yg
     
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