Is Glenn Dorsey A Good Pick Up By The Dolphins At #1 Overall?

I think hes worth it. He was quiet in the first quarter but woke up later. If he can stay healthy, he has A LOT of potential but thats a big IF.

Well after watching the game I wasnt really impressed by either Dorsey or gholston. Neither really did that much (Dorsey got a sack but on that play he didnt even get blocked). Maybe Im being harsh but I expect more from the 1st overall pick and I expect something special and I didnt see that tonight. Also neither did much against high profile players which they are going to see on a every game basis in the NFL where as they may not play against the top players every week playing in college.

injury prone? hes missed 1 game in his entire football career. He was also injured on what had to be the most blatant chop block ever, i don't know how he didn't break something on that play, look it up on youtube, it should be there
http://youtube.com/watch?v=53hM_peXUhg
thats it right there

"alen1 wrote:

I think hes worth it. He was quiet in the first quarter but woke up later. If he can stay healthy, he has A LOT of potential but thats a big IF.

Yeah, he was double and triple teamed all night. THis guy is a player and seems to have that it factor that translates well in the nfl. He also seems like a great guy. I wouldn't mind at all taking him number 1.
Love that fact that LSU won and its not Nick Saban holding up that trophy too!

Yes, Dorsey is clearly worth the #1 overall pick. He'll be a monster in the NFL.

But can we dispose of this "injury-prone" myth? The guy played hurt this year due to an illegal chop block and also suffered a lower back strain. He came back into the same game he was chop blocked in and blew up the Auburn offense. He played hurt this year and won the friggin' Bronko Nagurski trophy, the award for the best defensive player in the country.

Think about that. He was hurt and beat out James Laurinaitis, Chris Long, and Vernon Gholston for the award.

Absolutely worth the #1 overall pick. We take him and our run defense takes a massive leap forward to dominance again.

Yea its either we make it look like we want MF at #1 to trade down or we straight out take Dorsey. Also Paul Smith QB in the 6-7th round would be a nice pick up, the kid needs to gain about 20lbs and he should be good, his accuracy this past season is about 65%, he would obviously be a project but a good 1 none the less i.e. Romo.
Not withstanding we dont swing a deal for M Ryan of course

Dorsey definitely had the better game. I know someone mentioned he wasnt even blocked on his sack but that was not the case. He shifted around his block and got through untouched which should be a credit to his quickness, it definitely wasnt a gimme. I am not on the Dorsey bandwagon but im slowly changing my mind. If he can pack on a little more weight and keep his quickness and endurance i would not be disappointed with him at #1. Im still rooting for Gholston though. He may not have had an outstanding game but he pressured the qb a few times and his overall (osu) record tying body of work this season only compliments his freak ability.

the lower back strain doesn't scare you guys? i like him at #1, just concerned about how his back will hold up.

"dooleytr wrote:

Well after watching the game I wasnt really impressed by either Dorsey or gholston. Neither really did that much (Dorsey got a sack but on that play he didnt even get blocked). Maybe Im being harsh but I expect more from the 1st overall pick and I expect something special and I didnt see that tonight. Also neither did much against high profile players which they are going to see on a every game basis in the NFL where as they may not play against the top players every week playing in college.

I dont buy that going against 'high profile' players comment. Dorsey plays in the SEC, the conference with the most talent in college football by a large margin. As for Gholston I think he proved his worth against NFL caliber talent when he owned Jake Long, who's regarded as the top tackle in college football.

"#1 fan wrote:

the lower back strain doesn't scare you guys? i like him at #1, just concerned about how his back will hold up.

hes already 100%, he had 6 tackles,1sack and a FF tonight.

These are injury's he could recover completely from, and he's young with a tremendouse amount of potential to be consistent. He reminds me of a young Sapp...

"JT#1 wrote:

hes already 100%, he had 6 tackles,1sack and a FF tonight.

yeah, he's a beast, i saw the game tonight. i just worry about the long term. could these be a reoccurring thing with him?

"#1 fan wrote:

yeah, he's a beast, i saw the game tonight. i just worry about the long term. could these be a reoccurring thing with him?

i dont think so. As others stated, the injury he did get was illegal and unsportsmanlike.

"alen1 wrote:

i dont think so. As others stated, the injury he did get was illegal and unsportsmanlike.

Which has 0 bering on it being a potential long term problem. Doesnt matter HOW your injured, just that you ARE injured.
Not saying at all that I think this will be an issue, just saying it doesnt matter how he got hurt.

Laurentaitis had a big game, BCS mark for tackles didnt he? How many of you wanted Willis last year? This guy could be just as good, maybe better.

I don't think drafting a DT with the #1 overall pick is really worth it. In fact, almost all DT's selected in the top 5 don't pan out. Teams do take note. The last DT drafted #1 overall was Dan Wilkinson. Remember him? If we were running a 4-3, fine. But I have my doubts as to whether Dorsey can be an effective run-stuffing NT (which is what we need).

"texanphinatic wrote:

Which has 0 bering on it being a potential long term problem. Doesnt matter HOW your injured, just that you ARE injured.
Not saying at all that I think this will be an issue, just saying it doesnt matter how he got hurt.

It absolutely matters how he got hurt, for two reasons:

One, the fact that the only injuries he's sustained in college football have come from intentionally malicious actions on the part of an opposing team--actions that took him out only for part of the same game!--highlights the man's durability. "Dorsey is injury-prone" is a myth borne of ignorance.

Two, the injuries he sustained didn't even take him fully out of the same game he sustained them in. He was chop-blocked against Auburn: he came back in against Auburn later in the game and wreaked havoc on them.

I don't know how you look at the man's play this year and think he has potential long-term problems as a result of his getting chop-blocked. He doesn't. He's proven it every single week since the Auburn game.

Laurentaitis had a big game, BCS mark for tackles didnt he? How many of you wanted Willis last year? This guy could be just as good, maybe better.

Are you kidding me? Laurinaitis sucked out there. He looked nothing like the star he was supposed to be tonight. He was invisible for a good chunk of the game, even blowing goal-line coverage that led to a short touchdown pass.

OSU lost that game just as much as LSU won it. Gholston beat LSU's right tackle all night and got nothing but frustration to show for it, Laurinaitis disappeared, and the offense was bottled up by solid defensive efforts on LSU's part.

Gholston and Laurinaitis had better hope scouts don't weigh this game too heavily. Gholston was a top five pick and Laurinaitis a top ten pick coming into tonight.

"Regan21286 wrote:

I don't think drafting a DT with the #1 overall pick is really worth it. In fact, almost all DT's selected in the top 5 don't pan out. Teams do take note. The last DT drafted #1 overall was Dan Wilkinson. Remember him? If we were running a 4-3, fine. But I have my doubts as to whether Dorsey can be an effective run-stuffing NT (which is what we need).

Really getting tired of this.

At #1, you draft the best player available that fills as many of your needs as possible. JaMarcus Russell was not the best player available last year, but he went #1 anyway because Oakland had a bigger void at QB than we do. Dorsey fits that mold: he'll instantly shore up the run defense, help in calling coverages (because Channing and Jason Allen can't do it worth a damn), and he brings a unique ability to rush the passer from the center.

Stop looking at him as "just a defensive tackle." Better yet, start looking at him period. There is absolutely no parallel between Glenn Dorsey and Dan Wilkinson. None. Besides, if stopping the run in the NFL is absolutely critical to winning, doesn't that alone justify drafting someone who can absolutely do that and more?

The only positions I would ever discriminate against at #1 overall are fullback, center, guard, right tackle, and safety. Everything else is fair game: DT, DE, LB, CB, WR, QB, RB.

"#1 fan wrote:

the lower back strain doesn't scare you guys? i like him at #1, just concerned about how his back will hold up.

I think we went over this ad nauseum yesterday. Dorsey has never had a lower back strain. The lower back injury he did have was a bruised tailbone which is technically part of your back. In terms of the actual back Dorsey has never had an injury.

"Desides wrote:

Really getting tired of this.

At #1, you draft the best player available that fills as many of your needs as possible. JaMarcus Russell was not the best player available last year, but he went #1 anyway because Oakland had a bigger void at QB than we do. Dorsey fits that mold: he'll instantly shore up the run defense, help in calling coverages (because Channing and Jason Allen can't do it worth a damn), and he brings a unique ability to rush the passer from the center.

Stop looking at him as "just a defensive tackle." Better yet, start looking at him period. There is absolutely no parallel between Glenn Dorsey and Dan Wilkinson. None. Besides, if stopping the run in the NFL is absolutely critical to winning, doesn't that alone justify drafting someone who can absolutely do that and more?

The only positions I would ever discriminate against at #1 overall are fullback, center, guard, right tackle, and safety. Everything else is fair game: DT, DE, LB, CB, WR, QB, RB.

Thank you.

I was impressed with Dorsey last night, although he didn't get a TON of penetration, he still managed to get his hands on the running back plenty of times by controlling his blocker, being able to control your blocker is huge. Too many times though he got sealed off by his teammates leaving him with nothing to work with. Great play by Ohio State to do that. Do we spend our pick on him? I don't know. I think we need to find out what scheme we're going to run and then go from there.

"dooleytr wrote:

Well after watching the game I wasnt really impressed by either Dorsey or gholston. Neither really did that much (Dorsey got a sack but on that play he didnt even get blocked). Maybe Im being harsh but I expect more from the 1st overall pick and I expect something special and I didnt see that tonight. Also neither did much against high profile players which they are going to see on a every game basis in the NFL where as they may not play against the top players every week playing in college.

He didn't get blocked because he went around two blockers. He went right by his man off the line, and when the lineman next to the first (center I believe) saw he was untouched, tried to slide over and still didn't get him.

So yeah he was unblocked. They weren't fast enough.

If we can trade down for extra picks, I am all for it. There is no one guy in college football who you can say is the BEST, or a dominant force that you just have to have. You can probably get just as good a player at the # 8 spot or lower as you could at the # 1 spot. Hopefully the Tuna can make a nice trade down. I would be willing to deal our first overall to Dallas for both of their # 1's, if they also threw in a solid starter or two (Barber, one of their d-backs, etc.)

being able to control your blocker is huge.

yes we had very little of that this year

Rod Wright was pretty good

Roth needs to move inside

Holliday is nice but didn't play alot

Solai was awful

Moses needs to bulk up a little

too bad Dorsey is our best choice, I think a franchise QB/LT/DE is a better value than a franchise DT

"Desides wrote:

Really getting tired of this.

At #1, you draft the best player available that fills as many of your needs as possible. JaMarcus Russell was not the best player available last year, but he went #1 anyway because Oakland had a bigger void at QB than we do. Dorsey fits that mold: he'll instantly shore up the run defense, help in calling coverages (because Channing and Jason Allen can't do it worth a damn), and he brings a unique ability to rush the passer from the center.

Stop looking at him as "just a defensive tackle." Better yet, start looking at him period. There is absolutely no parallel between Glenn Dorsey and Dan Wilkinson. None. Besides, if stopping the run in the NFL is absolutely critical to winning, doesn't that alone justify drafting someone who can absolutely do that and more?

The only positions I would ever discriminate against at #1 overall are fullback, center, guard, right tackle, and safety. Everything else is fair game: DT, DE, LB, CB, WR, QB, RB.

I could care less if you were tired of it. If you don't want to discuss it or think you're tired of discussing it, then don't. I'm an open guy and I'm willing to present my points and discuss things. So here's discussion. One can debate whether Russell was the best player available and the Raiders certainly thought he was. I just consider Dorsey, though still has talent, to be a bit overrated. His lack of height and wingspan will lessen his ability to play against professional talent and especially bigger C's and guards as well as in a 3-4. I don't know what Dorsey's weight is but if it's 300 or below, then he certainly won't fit the prototypical mold of a 3-4 NT. Can he then be moved to a 3-4 end? Possibly but then I'd go with Chris Long. And if Parcells and Ireland are looking for big and tall players, Dorsey isn't it. I'm just not sure if taking a guy and playing him in a spot where he won't be able to play to his strengths with a top pick is worth it. I think Dorsey is worth top 3 for a team using a 4-3, but not in a 3-4 defense.