Is Adam Gase the biggest scam in football???

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Ignorance abounds. Very ****ing foolish statement. Coaches evaluate their players and others all the time. Maybe not all, but many many do. DJ over here acting like he's some sort of scouting warg.

yes of course coaches evaluate their players all the time, no one is arguing that.

Of course there has to be a synergy and similar vision, but ultimately each needs to do their jobs..

The GM doesn’t tell the coach how to coach, the GM should take into account what the coaches want, but not comprise his beliefs on players just to appease the coach, unless the reason is legit, be open sure, but ultimately he should make the majority of the calls, that’s all I’m saying...

If he’s a very good Gm he will find better players than anyone else.

I like the direction we’re headed with Flores, but Gase is highly respected by one of the greatest QBs of all time and by a handful of pretty good coaches.

He comes off as a giant jerk now, especially in that disgusting puke green, but there must be something there. You absolutely can not con your way into a job as exclusive as head coach in the nfl.

"djphinfan wrote:

First 30 mins?, that’s not what I said, I said it took me the first 30 mins to locate him.. he is not an on the field type coach, he’s off on the sideline having conversations with various people while the practice is going on, his assistants run the practice..

I didn't know you wrote that part, but the message doesn't change. You're claiming he's a bad coach because he wasn't coaching when you were looking at him at the start of practice- but that literally means nothing.

Your other reason- Gase bringing in players like Cameron Jordan, Jermon Bushrod, Julius Thomas, Jay Cutler, John Sitton. Three of the five were productive when they weren't hurt, and Cutler was arguably the best name available. It's very easy to second guess coaches but seriously- we can pick five bad players on ANY TEAM at any level....that doesn't mean the coach is lousy. You're really grasping for straws here.

As I said above, we'll know all we need to know about Gase across the next 32 games. Folks here are saying NY's roster is worse than ours (some say much worse) so that means we should continue sweeping them like Gase did in Miami. So we'll see.

"KeyFin wrote:

I didn't know you wrote that part, but the message doesn't change. You're claiming he's a bad coach because he wasn't coaching when you were looking at him at the start of practice- but that literally means nothing.

Your other reason- Gase bringing in players like Cameron Jordan, Jermon Bushrod, Julius Thomas, Jay Cutler, John Sitton. Three of the five were productive when they weren't hurt, and Cutler was arguably the best name available. It's very easy to second guess coaches but seriously- we can pick five bad players on ANY TEAM at any level....that doesn't mean the coach is lousy. You're really grasping for straws here.

As I said above, we'll know all we need to know about Gase across the next 32 games. Folks here are saying NY's roster is worse than ours (some say much worse) so that means we should continue sweeping them like Gase did in Miami. So we'll see.

Once again I’m not saying anything about the start of practice I’m talking about the whole practice for consecutive days strait.. if that’s what you want in a head coach rock on.

He was terrible at bringing in players.. if you can’t see that rock on.

I don't know about calling him a scam. He clearly hit his ceiling somewhere between OC and HC. He may still develop into a good Head Coach but, I hope it's not with the jest.

"Hooligan wrote:

I don't know about calling him a scam. He clearly hit his ceiling somewhere between OC and HC. He may still develop into a good Head Coach but, I hope it's not with the jest.

He’s an offensive coordinator at best who keeps getting head coaching jobs..

Game day, what is he focused on?? Calling plays or the whole team?

Cam wake called him out last year, saying that the defense is the step children.

He left the entire defense in the hands of a guy who really isn’t qualified to be a defensive coordinator...think about that..

"djphinfan wrote:

He’s an offensive coordinator at best who keeps getting head coaching jobs..

Game day, what is he focused on?? Calling plays or the whole team?

Cam wake called him out last year, saying that the defense is the step children.

He left the entire defense in the hands of a guy who really isn’t qualified to be a defensive coordinator...think about that..

My issue is that a scammer knows he is exactly that. Gase may be a bad coach with bad tendencies (not saying he is, just saying for the sake of argument) that doesnt make him a scam. It makes him a bad coach.

I have no doubt he believes whole heartedly that he is sunshine and rainbows as a HC.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

My issue is that a scammer knows he is exactly that. Gase may be a bad coach with bad tendencies (not saying he is, just saying for the sake of argument) that doesnt make him a scam. It makes him a bad coach.

I have no doubt he believes whole heartedly that he is sunshine and rainbows as a HC.

Yeah I didn’t mean he thought that, I meant it is what he is..

"djphinfan wrote:

Yeah I didn’t mean he thought that, I meant it is what he is..

No-one was scammed though. We hired a guy and he didnt work out.

I find the obsession some people still have with him creepy to say the least. Everyone needs to let it go and move on in life.

He has nothing to do with us now, hes just a dude trying to live his life and I'll only pay him mind twice a year on Sundays.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

No-one was scammed though. We hired a guy and he didnt work out.

I find the obsession some people still have with him creepy to say the least. Everyone needs to let it go and move on in life.

He has nothing to do with us now, hes just a dude trying to live his life and I'll only pay him mind twice a year on Sundays.

Pretty big scam when your posing as a head coach and your still getting paid and titled as one..jmo..

Glad it’s in the jets, no obsession just observations based on what I saw.

I do agree that Gase is a "scam" in the sense that he can get an owner to believe in him despite evidence he may not be true HC material, but "biggest scam" under that definition? Nah.. there are still others Gase has to beat. Start with Hue Jackson. How the hell does a coach not get fired after a 1-15 season, then STILL not get fired after another 0-16 season!! lol (that takes some "scamming" skill). Oh, and what about Jeff Fisher? 5 losing seasons in a row before the owner finally realizes he should fire the guy lol. Gase has a lot of competition here.

"cbrad wrote:

I do agree that Gase is a "scam" in the sense that he can get an owner to believe in him despite evidence he may not be true HC material, but "biggest scam" under that definition? Nah.. there are still others Gase has to beat. Start with Hue Jackson. How the hell does a coach not get fired after a 1-15 season, then STILL not get fired after another 0-16 season!! lol (that takes some "scamming" skill). Oh, and what about Jeff Fisher? 5 losing seasons in a row before the owner finally realizes he should fire the guy lol. Gase has a lot of competition here.

Marvin Lewis was the biggest scammer.

“I learned a lot, and for some strange reason, every time I did something, I could hear Bill cussing me out like, ‘No, that’s not how we do it.’ And I was like, ‘You’re right, I’ve got to do it the right way.’ I had great coaching. I had such a great staff in my time being here, and it just carried me all through last year. Like, the entire time,” Bolden said.

Not a glowing endorsement from bolden on Gase

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Marvin Lewis was the biggest scammer.

Well, Lewis did take a team that had 6 consecutive losing seasons (7, 3, 4, 4, 6 and 2 wins!), 12 overall consecutive non-winning seasons (only one 8-win season in there), and immediately led them to 8, 8, 11 and 8 wins. So yeah he couldn't win a playoff game to save his life but he at least gave the Bengals more success than they had in a long time (most trips to playoffs at least!.. 7 trips, 7 losses lol).

I'm still going with Hue Jackson among recent guys, but either way it's clear Gase has serious competition, and yes Lewis is one.

"djphinfan wrote:

Pretty big scam when your posing as a head coach and your still getting paid and titled as one..jmo..

Glad it’s in the jets, no obsession just observations based on what I saw.

Oh I didnt mean you were obsessed, I just generally meant some people cant let it go.

Anyway all the info was out there for the Jets and we got one playoff year...fluke or not, so if he bombs out there he will likely be done for a good while as a HC.

IDC f he goes 19-0 with the Jet's. He was NOT a good coach in Miami.

I do believe the jets will be good and win games..not because of gase but because he has given complete autonomy to his version of Buddy Ryan and he has an ascending hi level playmaking QB..he needs a QB that can play the game off script.

"cbrad wrote:

That's one eval of yours I disagree with. I think Darnold will at best be average because I don't think he'll ever fix his accuracy issues even though he can make great plays on occasion. Time will tell. Lots of reasons to follow the Jets lol.

Sam Darnold was the youngest starting QB ever.

"djphinfan wrote:

Sam Darnold was the youngest starting QB ever.

Others that started at age 21 are Vick, Smith, Bledsoe, Stafford and Winston. None of them elite QB's (or even close, except for a few years here and there). So starting that young doesn't mean greatness lies ahead. It actually supports my prediction he'll be at best average, with random variation obviously from year to year. We'll see.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

No-one was scammed though. We hired a guy and he didnt work out.

I find the obsession some people still have with him creepy to say the least. Everyone needs to let it go and move on in life.

He has nothing to do with us now, hes just a dude trying to live his life and I'll only pay him mind twice a year on Sundays.

I generally agree that fans obsess too much about coaches and players who are not on the team.

However Gase is a Jet

"cbrad wrote:

Others that started at age 21 are Vick, Smith, Bledsoe, Stafford and Winston. None of them elite QB's (or even close, except for a few years here and there). So starting that young doesn't mean greatness lies ahead. It actually supports my prediction he'll be at best average, with random variation obviously from year to year. We'll see.

It doesn’t support anything as far as your projection of him failing, I was just stating a fact..and that the experience starting that young has impact on the field..

We’ll see how he ascends or descends..

To me its telling when the Ravens let CJ Mosley walk. They basically said CJ is a good player, but he’s not Ray Lewis and we arent going to pay him like that. Jets overpaid big time.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

To me its telling when the Ravens let CJ Mosley walk. They basically said CJ is a good player, but he’s not Ray Lewis and we arent going to pay him like that. Jets overpaid big time.

Ravens won’t settle..

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

No-one was scammed though. We hired a guy and he didnt work out.

I find the obsession some people still have with him creepy to say the least. Everyone needs to let it go and move on in life.

He has nothing to do with us now, hes just a dude trying to live his life and I'll only pay him mind twice a year on Sundays.

We were in the playoffs year 1 under Gase, without our QB1 who had won 9 of 10 straight. And that QB was the same one who struggled his entire career....are we calling 2016 a "scam"?

2017, said QB went down 2 weeks before pre-season and we had to scramble. Gase thought Cutler was the best choice...he wasn't...and the year was pretty miserable. Then Cutler got knocked out, so we started overhauling the line mid-season because the protection was horrible. Then Moore got knocked out and we ended the year on a 4th stringer. Oh, our coke-head line coach that was wildly respected around the league quit as well. Was that a "scam"?

2018, Gase starts 3-0, loses said QB for a 3rd season in a row, and our offense sputters as darn-near every starter we have on that side of the ball goes down. We finish 6-10 and Gase is fired because "he wants to win now" and Ross wants to overhaul the entire team. Is that a scam?

In 2018....yes, it was a massive scam....because Ross is a complete idiot. The rebuild might work, it might not, but it's not because of Adam Gase, Grier or any other name you want to throw in the mix. Because truth be told, our problem all three seasons (and the 10 before that) all stemmed from the offensive line....and we just let our 2nd and 3rd best linemen walk. So far, that's not progress at all...it's stupidity because solid players got hurt and Ross decided they were too old.

Going into 2019, we're expecting to "magically" draft three starting linemen, a starting QB, a starting RB, two starting slot receivers, an entire starting defensive line and a starting corner. If you want to talk about "scam", then let's talk about how we're going to land those 12 players with 7 total draft picks and zero action in free agency. Yes, we're being scammed right now because there's no way every single pick will turn into a 10 year veteran.......yet people don't want to think about that.

Adam Gase delivered EXACTLY what he promised though and built a team that could contend....we saw it early last season when our defense was WORLDS BETTER than the rest of the league. The injuries sucked and I'm not happy about the losses either, but you have to be a complete moron to think Adam Gase somehow scammed us. Key people got hurt and Tannehill finished the season ugly...just like he has every single season of his career due to a lack of quality backup linemen. That's the font office folks....it always has been and it continues to be the main issue.

"KeyFin wrote:

We were in the playoffs year 1 under Gase, without our QB1 who had won 9 of 10 straight. And that QB was the same one who struggled his entire career....are we calling 2016 a "scam"?

2017, said QB went down 2 weeks before pre-season and we had to scramble. Gase thought Cutler was the best choice...he wasn't...and the year was pretty miserable. Then Cutler got knocked out, so we started overhauling the line mid-season because the protection was horrible. Then Moore got knocked out and we ended the year on a 4th stringer. Oh, our coke-head line coach that was wildly respected around the league quit as well. Was that a "scam"?

2018, Gase starts 3-0, loses said QB for a 3rd season in a row, and our offense sputters as darn-near every starter we have on that side of the ball goes down. We finish 6-10 and Gase is fired because "he wants to win now" and Ross wants to overhaul the entire team. Is that a scam?

In 2018....yes, it was a massive scam....because Ross is a complete idiot. The rebuild might work, it might not, but it's not because of Adam Gase, Grier or any other name you want to throw in the mix. Because truth be told, our problem all three seasons (and the 10 before that) all stemmed from the offensive line....and we just let our 2nd and 3rd best linemen walk. So far, that's not progress at all...it's stupidity because solid players got hurt and Ross decided they were too old.

Going into 2019, we're expecting to "magically" draft three starting linemen, a starting QB, a starting RB, two starting slot receivers, an entire starting defensive line and a starting corner. If you want to talk about "scam", then let's talk about how we're going to land those 12 players with 7 total draft picks and zero action in free agency. Yes, we're being scammed right now because there's no way every single pick will turn into a 10 year veteran.......yet people don't want to think about that.

Adam Gase delivered EXACTLY what he promised though and built a team that could contend....we saw it early last season when our defense was WORLDS BETTER than the rest of the league. The injuries sucked and I'm not happy about the losses either, but you have to be a complete moron to think Adam Gase somehow scammed us. Key people got hurt and Tannehill finished the season ugly...just like he has every single season of his career due to a lack of quality backup linemen. That's the font office folks....it always has been and it continues to be the main issue.

Gase owns what he did during his time here in Miami. Don't act like he doesn't. When he was announced as HC Ross said Gase would have "final say" over the 53-man roster. And in 2018 Gase himself said he has the team he wants. The guy fired all kinds of key players to get the type of players he wanted, and we all saw the results: average in win% and bottom feeders in offensive and defensive scoring.

Give the guy credit for his ability to win close games, but don't act like the roster wasn't his. Half the posters here knew way back when that we needed a better QB than Tannehill, yet Gase thought Tannehill was the answer?? And not just in 2016, but in 2018!!! Why not draft a QB high in 2017 as insurance AFTER Tannehill's injury? Nah.. the great Gase believed Tannehill was the answer lol.

And no, Gase did not build a team that could contend by the time he was finished in 2018. One playoff appearance in his first year followed by two losing seasons? That the same as Sparano, except that what Sparano did was more impressive because he's the only coach that led a team to the playoffs after a 1-win season! Blame Ross for hiring Sparano, Philbin and Gase, but don't put the blame on Ross for the roster, the in-game decisions, or overall scoring efficiency or win%. This was Gase's team, and we're in a far better place now that it no longer is.