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Is Adam Gase the biggest scam in football???

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Adam Gase is preparing for his fourth season as an AFC East head coach and one of his top goals remains the same despite making the move from the Dolphins to the Jets in January.

    Linebacker C.J. Mosley spoke to reporters on Wednesday and shared some of Gase’s first message to his players. The part he shared dealt with Gase’s desire to knock the Patriots off the perch they’ve enjoyed for the last two decades.“





    Is this guy the biggest scam in football??

    I say yes..

    That proclamation is based on several facts..

    1) I went to Miami for 1 week of training camp last offseason..and I left with absolutely no doubt that Adam Gase was impersonating a head football coach and stealing money from the owner..

    This guy who calls himself a head coach spent an incredible amount of time off the field of practice, I’m not talking about getting his hands dirty in position drills, I’m talking about someone who for 5 strait days was completely removed from the action, just mingling with everyone else but his players on the field, it was a disgrace and I can’t believe it wasn’t brought up by the beat writers during his tenure.

    Every morning I woke up and was there before practice began, it took me at least 30 mins to find him, always talking to guests of the dolphins that were being brought in for specific practices, I watched him closely, and I watched the other coaches handle the team, for 5 days strait, I’ve never seen a head coach more disengaged, more absent on the field than this twerp..This is not how a head coach should be imo, a head coach is a teacher, not this guy, the guy seems like an offensive coordinator, at best, and he didn’t excel at that.

    2) His ability to judge personnel was a complete failure as far as his recommendations on his past players to bring onto our team..I can go down the list of guys, Cameron Jordan, Jermon Bushrod, Julius Thomas, Jay Cutler, John Sitton.

    I hate the Jets, so I hope he scams them for the next few years, I just felt like the this dude needs to be called out..head coach my azz..All he’s consumed with is calling plays..

    Maybe some jets fans will see this and go back to their buddies and sugarcoat the facts..
     
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  2. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Well he was sold to us as an offensive genius, and every year on the dolphins we struggled to score points and were on the bottom of most categories that said otherwise, so yes id say he was a scam to us.

    We will see if he learned anything and turns the Jets around.
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    I thought he was a coach who could take what Miami had and get the best out of it.

    He turned out to be the opposite. More of the same.
     
  4. Sceeto

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    Yes, I totally agree. As us hopeful fans are, we bought into the hype machine. He worked with Manning and Cutler and Stafford, yada yada yada. BS! Yeah, like he made Manning. Ha! It is more like the other way around.

    I made a thread about him, i think it was after his second year and I mentioned how he has such an out of control ego. I hated how, in his press conferences after a loss, he would blame the players and take no responsibility and blame for himself. Right or wrong, that is what all good coaches with character do.

    His play calling? It sucked. He would abandon everything at the slightest bit of adversity. Never stuck to his supposed principles and plan. Running it on 3rd and long and passing on 3rd and short, etc. The f'ing bubble screens. What a joke. He never used his players to their strengths. Constantly tried to fit square pegs into round holes or whatever.

    I could list numerous examples if I had the time. He had no character and no humility. Now, as fans, we learn from our mistakes or misjudgments and at the very least we can say, at this point , is that Flores has a million times the character of that a-hole. That is obvious.

    QB whisperer my arse. He certainly didn't take Tanne to any special heights. He helped him into a back up role in Tennesee. Dudes, I can go on and on. This year, if nothing else, this team shows strong signs of building and doing things the right way and if we just beat the NJ Jerkoffs twice, I will be happy. I couldn't stand losing to that bug eyed little douche. F him. Good riddance.
     
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  5. MrClean

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    Biggest scam? Probably not.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the only thing that is gonna make it hard for people to figure this scam out, is Sam Darnold, I believe in that dude as a QB..gase got lucky.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you cant take two players and their skillsets that demonstrate what a scam this dude was..

    Head coach is supposed to use his players skillsets to their advanatage, to expoit the strengths.

    Tannehill and Gesicki were horribly hooribly missused skillsets..don't get me wrong, I dontlike either player but their skillsets were not used correctly.

    but man, im not an x's and o's guy, but to see a team practice that long without their head coach being front and center, not teaching the game,not getting in his players faces, not coaching like a leader...so very poor traits.
     
  8. cbrad

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    That's one eval of yours I disagree with. I think Darnold will at best be average because I don't think he'll ever fix his accuracy issues even though he can make great plays on occasion. Time will tell. Lots of reasons to follow the Jets lol.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Peyton did vouch for him and absolutely loved him. Got to give the fans a break on that one.
     
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  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    and he has done the same for the Jet fans..
     
  11. Pauly

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    He was sold to us a strategic genius.

    He built an offense built around creating a pattern, and then breaking that pattern. Yay! We lead the league in 50+ yard TDS! Awesome, chunk plays are what win you games! Unfortunately the base offense was so stale and ineffective that all those long TDS didn’t matter.

    He built the defense around creating pressure and take-Aways. We were among the league leaders in takeaways! Awesome winning the turnover battle wins you games! Unfortunately the base defense allowed the opponents to have long drives and found it difficult to stop the opponent or force three and outs.

    For his type of offense to work you need a defense that creates three and outs and gives you lots of opportunities for your big strike plays to happen. He paired it with a defense that was almost guaranteed to let the opponent hold onto the ball for a long time. This was the worst possible strategic match.

    He created a defense that created turnovers, but allowed the opponent to advance the ball. The offense you need to match this defense is a ball control offense that marches downfield and creates at least a FG opportunity on every possession. You need the opposing offense to feel pressure to score on every possessions or this defense to work best. Again he made the worst possible strategic match.

    The guy may be a genius at drawing up plays, but getting those plays to come together in a coherent plan was not one of his skills.
     
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  12. Sceeto

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    That doesn't mean much at all, DD. Peyton is a high character guy. He's going to say those kind of things. He will probably say that about most of his coaches.
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    I do not agree with that. Peyton is a selfish dick
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Coaches coach, players play, GMs evaluate...stay in your lane.
     
  15. Sceeto

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    Funny, I didn't mention Gesicki because I didn't want to derail the thread, but he was certainly one I was referring to with my comment. I know you don't like him ,but you remember what I was saying after we drafted him about how he should be used.
    I also hated the way he used Drake. I wanted to see him use Drake on more deeper routes in the passing game, similar to the way NE used White. He tried it once and it was worked great and was probably Drake's longest TD reception, but the douche never went back to it again.
     
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  16. KeyFin

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    There are many different types of leaders in the NFL and it's very easy to judge a coach after he's gone. That doesn't change the facts though that he was 5-1 against the Jets and split with NE and Buffalo with a 2nd string QB for most of those games. Now I'm supposed to care that Gase wasn't on the field for the first 30 minutes of mini-camp each day because some idiot said so? I mean, I don't see my pilot whenever I'm flying in a plane...does that mean he's not doing his job either?

    I get that Miami wanted to go a different route with the youth movement and I hope that it works out. Gase got a bad shake in Miami though and that will become clear over the next few seasons.
     
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  17. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Gase's time with the Jets will help to show who/what he is.
     
  18. TheHighExhaulted

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    I know he will be 4-0 against his former team the next two seasons.
     
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  19. Dolphin Dundee

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    Gase makes beating the Jets meaningful again.
     
  20. Nappy Roots

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    Eh, maybe you forgot we won 3 more games than them last year. Signing an RB and a solid LB to massive contracts are going to change that? They may win 7 games next year. We win 5 and split with them.
     
  21. Carmen Cygni

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    Ignorance abounds. Very ****ing foolish statement. Coaches evaluate their players and others all the time. Maybe not all, but many many do. DJ over here acting like he's some sort of scouting warg.
     
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  22. danmarino

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    Why are you so insecure?
     
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  23. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I think you just made my point. The Jets made themselves a much better team this off-season while the Dolphins went backwards. And, I think Gase might have a little extra on the line for those four games. I can just see the Gatorade baths now.
     
  24. Nappy Roots

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    Gase had some extra on the lines at the end of last year when we were still in the playoff hunt....is he all the sudden going to be able to call an offense?

    The Jets made themselves better. But that wasnt hard. Again, they won 4 games last year. Signing highest price FAs doesnt guarantee you a bunch of success. Miami did it every year after they won 7 or 8 games. They still won 7 or 8 games. The jets were awful. As bad as Miami was last year, the Jets were much worse. Saying they are going 4-0 against us is just laughable. NE hasnt went 4-0 against us, even the year we went 4-12.
     
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  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    First 30 mins?, that’s not what I said, I said it took me the first 30 mins to locate him.. he is not an on the field type coach, he’s off on the sideline having conversations with various people while the practice is going on, his assistants run the practice..
     
  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yes of course coaches evaluate their players all the time, no one is arguing that.

    Of course there has to be a synergy and similar vision, but ultimately each needs to do their jobs..

    The GM doesn’t tell the coach how to coach, the GM should take into account what the coaches want, but not comprise his beliefs on players just to appease the coach, unless the reason is legit, be open sure, but ultimately he should make the majority of the calls, that’s all I’m saying...

    If he’s a very good Gm he will find better players than anyone else.
     
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  27. Fame

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    I like the direction we’re headed with Flores, but Gase is highly respected by one of the greatest QBs of all time and by a handful of pretty good coaches.

    He comes off as a giant jerk now, especially in that disgusting puke green, but there must be something there. You absolutely can not con your way into a job as exclusive as head coach in the nfl.
     
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  28. KeyFin

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    I didn't know you wrote that part, but the message doesn't change. You're claiming he's a bad coach because he wasn't coaching when you were looking at him at the start of practice- but that literally means nothing.

    Your other reason- Gase bringing in players like Cameron Jordan, Jermon Bushrod, Julius Thomas, Jay Cutler, John Sitton. Three of the five were productive when they weren't hurt, and Cutler was arguably the best name available. It's very easy to second guess coaches but seriously- we can pick five bad players on ANY TEAM at any level....that doesn't mean the coach is lousy. You're really grasping for straws here.

    As I said above, we'll know all we need to know about Gase across the next 32 games. Folks here are saying NY's roster is worse than ours (some say much worse) so that means we should continue sweeping them like Gase did in Miami. So we'll see.
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Once again I’m not saying anything about the start of practice I’m talking about the whole practice for consecutive days strait.. if that’s what you want in a head coach rock on.

    He was terrible at bringing in players.. if you can’t see that rock on.
     
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  30. Hooligan

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    I don't know about calling him a scam. He clearly hit his ceiling somewhere between OC and HC. He may still develop into a good Head Coach but, I hope it's not with the jest.
     
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  31. djphinfan

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    He’s an offensive coordinator at best who keeps getting head coaching jobs..

    Game day, what is he focused on?? Calling plays or the whole team?

    Cam wake called him out last year, saying that the defense is the step children.

    He left the entire defense in the hands of a guy who really isn’t qualified to be a defensive coordinator...think about that..
     
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  32. AGuyNamedAlex

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    My issue is that a scammer knows he is exactly that. Gase may be a bad coach with bad tendencies (not saying he is, just saying for the sake of argument) that doesnt make him a scam. It makes him a bad coach.

    I have no doubt he believes whole heartedly that he is sunshine and rainbows as a HC.
     
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  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah I didn’t mean he thought that, I meant it is what he is..
     
  34. AGuyNamedAlex

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    No-one was scammed though. We hired a guy and he didnt work out.

    I find the obsession some people still have with him creepy to say the least. Everyone needs to let it go and move on in life.

    He has nothing to do with us now, hes just a dude trying to live his life and I'll only pay him mind twice a year on Sundays.
     
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  35. djphinfan

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    Pretty big scam when your posing as a head coach and your still getting paid and titled as one..jmo..

    Glad it’s in the jets, no obsession just observations based on what I saw.
     
  36. cbrad

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    I do agree that Gase is a "scam" in the sense that he can get an owner to believe in him despite evidence he may not be true HC material, but "biggest scam" under that definition? Nah.. there are still others Gase has to beat. Start with Hue Jackson. How the hell does a coach not get fired after a 1-15 season, then STILL not get fired after another 0-16 season!! lol (that takes some "scamming" skill). Oh, and what about Jeff Fisher? 5 losing seasons in a row before the owner finally realizes he should fire the guy lol. Gase has a lot of competition here.
     
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  37. TheHighExhaulted

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    Marvin Lewis was the biggest scammer.
     
  38. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    “I learned a lot, and for some strange reason, every time I did something, I could hear Bill cussing me out like, ‘No, that’s not how we do it.’ And I was like, ‘You’re right, I’ve got to do it the right way.’ I had great coaching. I had such a great staff in my time being here, and it just carried me all through last year. Like, the entire time,” Bolden said.

    Not a glowing endorsement from bolden on Gase
     
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  39. cbrad

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    Well, Lewis did take a team that had 6 consecutive losing seasons (7, 3, 4, 4, 6 and 2 wins!), 12 overall consecutive non-winning seasons (only one 8-win season in there), and immediately led them to 8, 8, 11 and 8 wins. So yeah he couldn't win a playoff game to save his life but he at least gave the Bengals more success than they had in a long time (most trips to playoffs at least!.. 7 trips, 7 losses lol).

    I'm still going with Hue Jackson among recent guys, but either way it's clear Gase has serious competition, and yes Lewis is one.
     
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  40. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Oh I didnt mean you were obsessed, I just generally meant some people cant let it go.

    Anyway all the info was out there for the Jets and we got one playoff year...fluke or not, so if he bombs out there he will likely be done for a good while as a HC.
     

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