Ireland thread because we are desperate

Personally I thinK Ireland drafting a QB with our first round pick was a no brainer for him.

Not only did he quiet the fan base but he almost guaranteed himself a 3 yr extension while we all wait to see if Tanny makes it .

If Tanny makes it Ireland will be a genius and he will be considered to be in the top echelon of GMs.

If he doesnt Ireland will be out of a job....after 3 yrs.

IMO the jury is still out on Ireland.We need at least 3 drafts to get a proper evaluation of his skills.

I think we are still in the quieting the fan base stage.

 

Too quiet.....

 

Well I have flip-flopped on Ireland. I started off liking him because he seemed to have a decent rebuild plan and was following the Parcells model for rebuilding which is getting some vets and drafting well. Then he ignored the obvious needs at QB for too long and didnt really seem to be capable of fixing it. Now that he has drafted the QB we needed and hopefully the answer to our problems since Marino, he is back in my good graces. The fact that he pretty much KILLED this draft doesnt hurt. I didnt really want a RT at 42 but Jon Martin was a great value. Olivier Vernon is said by Al Golden to have been about a year away from being a first round pick....and if thats true it just makes the drafting of another potential 1st round talent, Lamar Miller all the sweeter. Egnew is the stretch TE this team has needed forever as well. If he hits on 1 or 2 of these late round/FA WR's (Moye, Fuller, Cunningham, Matthews) and maybe 1 from Wallace or Moore we will have made a nice roster overhaul in one offseason that started extremely poorly in missing on Manning and Flynn. So hopefully El Jefe did as well as he thought he did in his post draft interview with The Finsiders

 

I think the poll was skewed. IMO, there's a measurable gap between 'vision has the team headed in the right direction' and 'he's made some good moves, but the future is no brighter.' There should have been a 'he finally picked a real QB prospect, so, I'll wait and see' option. If you ask me, whether the future is 'brighter' or not depends more upon Philbin and his staff than it does Jeff Ireland. Ireland just finally had a QB fall in his lap.

 

IDK, looks like a good draft class, then again so did the 08 and 09 classes.

So I'm neutral toward Ireland, have to see how things work out.

 

Leaning negative tho OF, being in cap hell sucks, not being more settled at Wr is another, ditto the high pick misses.

Poor record of our 3rd/2nd rd picks panning out, if Merling had developed no need to draft Vernon etc.

 

Ireland is much better than he's getting credit for, and both him becoming unpopular and fixing his image has been based on the wrong stuff. An increase in popularity based primarily on a draft with no actual production at this point is silly. He had a good draft from a standpoint of popular concepts of value and what positions we needed, which means sweet ****-all when it comes down to actually coming up with quality players.

 

My view about this being a right now league has not changed OF, we've forever been doing so since Wanny.

Merling was basically a first rd pick, he showed well as a Rook, did alright in 09, then vanished.

One of the problems we face in the AFCE is the patsies mtn of draft choices, we have not kept up in the talent race with them due to far to many high picks not panning out. Now here we are seriously hoping this yr's UDFA/late rd pick class does something.

Tactically, this puts us in a bad position, a part of that was Sparano stopped giving such players opportunites due to fear of being fired (imo), now we sort of back to square one.

 

I don't think the overall view of Ireland has changed much at all. The reality is that the owner of the team made the decision to keep Ireland and fire Sparano, instead of firing both of them.

Season tickets sales are the lowest they have been in decades and I think this says a lot about how the local fans feel about Ireland and the rest of the FO at this time. Ireland has been given one more opportunity to turn this team around by bringing in better talent. If the Dolphins win in 2012, Ireland will get a lot of the credit. If they once again fail to put winning product on the field, the call to fire Ireland will be louder than ever.

So basically the, "fire Ireland" demands by many of us was ignored by the owner and now we just have to wait and see if Ireland is as good as Ross seems to think he is or, if Ireland is as bad a GM as many of us still believe he is.

 

For me, it was based on team record. Not much else to base it on.

I'm happy that Ireland finally made the QB position a top priority. I'm also happy he took a gamble on a playmaker like Lamar Miller and a potential playmaker in Egnew. Maybe he's turning the corner.

 

Maybe.

However, I think you have to take Ireland's entire body of work into account, and he has his blemishes. His record in the 2nd round alone is highly, highly questionable.

 

Exactly, if THill pans out, Ireland is golden, if he does not, Ireland will be gone along with Philbin.

That is, unless Moore or Garrard just have great yrs, imo that would take tremendous pressure off of the franchise.

 

The bandwagon is filling up.

 

I don't see Ireland's future tied solely to Tannehill.

Obviously if Tannehill pans out then he's golden, but I could see him staying here even if that's not the case.

 

Oh I do, that would be the second young Qb he missed on, he'd be out of chances imo.

Now what I do hope is the Wr from the old regime, Wallace, Moore, Pruitt, and the newbs, that we find 2-3 Wr's in there who can ball a bit.

IMO, huge holes at #1 Wr and #4 wr, Hartline and Bess are more like #2 or #3 types.

 

Name one very-good-to-great Dolphins DL'man Jeff Ireland selected in the draft. Name me one very-good-to-great Dolphins pass-rusher he has drafted.

EDIT: In fact... I can only think of one great player Ireland has drafted. Jake Long. With the #1 overall pick. He's been in Miami for 5 drafts, and all he has to show for it is one 'great' player... that he selected with a #1 overall that Cam Cameron wrapped in a bow for him. Sheesh...

 

Eh, not a good enough reason to axe him for who exactly?

Assuming the rest of the team is solid then I don't think it's guaranteed.

 

What about signed? Where'd that option go?

 

Here is the way I see it, how much further along would we be "IF" the draft picks panned out and Ireland's bargin bin guys worked out as well?

 

We'd look a lot like SF, which would be pretty damn far.

 

Prove his picks in the second while Parcells was here was Ireland's call.

Saying his title was GM is not proof though. His title could have been El Presidente, but Parcells was still in charge. I just don't see how any reasonable person can lay blame at Ireland's feet without knowing if he made the calls everyone faults him for.

 

Who was the first?

You can't say Henne, because Henne was all Parcells.

 

3rd, you forgot Pat White

 

lol, also a Parcells pick.

 

Except by his own words this is only the second draft he has actually been in charge of.

 

Ireland's job title. It was how Miami hired him away from Dallas... by giving him final say on all personnel choices.

You, I, and everyone can speculate all we want. You might even be correct by stating that the Tuna actually made all the final personnel decisions until the day he waddled out of the building. However, Ireland was the GM then, he is the GM now, and he has had final authority since the day he signed a deal to move from Dallas to Miami. Therefore, he is ultimately responsible for every player drafted, and every player signed.

 

IMO, the value of a great GM is his ability to build a team through the draft. Offering more money than any other team to a free agent doesn't impress me all that much.

 

Ya we really overpaid for Wake and Bess.

 

Except that isn't true. Nothing you're saying is true actually.

 

Drafting Vernon would still be neccesary unless you wanted to overpay for Langford. We still needed a 4-3 DE with upside. Unless you want to roll with Westerman and hope Starks can still play end. IMO thats not a great look.

 

I'm not putting that one on him.

 

Who said anything about overpaying? I stated that free agency was merely outbidding every other team.

However... speaking of overpaying... do I really need to mention Earnest Wilford? Gibril Wilson?

 

Neither have I ever which is why the

BP's parting shot.

 

Outbidding = Overpaying

 

Ireland had final say... at least on paper... from the day he signed his contract to join the Dolphins as GM. People 'speculated' that Tuna 'actually' had final say. In fact, it's pretty much a given that Parcells actually called the shots. However, Ireland actually did have final authority, as per his contract.

If you have info to the contrary, I'd like to see it. Or, you can just continue with the 'nuh-uh' argument.