Ireland takes blame for Pat White

Ehhh, We All Thought Pat White Was Gonna Be Good For Us, He Was Just Too Small and Inaccurate, We Could Have Just Waited For Tim Tebow and Used One Of Those Former QB WRs Like Randle El Or I.Stanbeck

"jetssuck wrote:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/01/jeff-ireland-on-pat-white-henne-marshall-relationship.html

Well he's the only one left of Parcells/Lee/Henning so who else could take the blame ;)

That doesn't sound much like an admission that he picked him though. Its really just sounds like he's accepting blame despite not feeling he deserves it.

"rafael wrote:

That doesn't sound much like an admission that he picked him though. Its really just sounds like he's accepting blame despite not feeling he deserves it.

Well then for some reason he sure did use a lot of "we's"

Now I don't believe Pat White was his guy...... but he was the GM and we were being told constantly that Ireland was the GM/grocery shopper. The buck stops with him..... and he explains that he was part of the process that brought Pat White here.

So if nothing else...... there should be no more of this "Jeff Ireland had no say in the Pat White pick" nonsense

"jetssuck wrote:

Well then for some reason he sure did use a lot of "we's"

Now I don't believe Pat White was his guy...... but he was the GM and we were being told constantly that Ireland was the GM/grocery shopper. The buck stops with him..... and he explains that he was part of the process that brought Pat White here.

So if nothing else...... there should be no more of this "Jeff Ireland had no say in the Pat White pick" nonsense

I don't feel he had no say, but I also have no trouble believing that his say was, "I wouldn't pick him" and yet he ended up being the pick. There were several reports over the years that Parcells was given a few picks each year where he made the final call. So you can think its nonsense, but I disagree.

"rafael wrote:

I don't feel he had no say, but I also have no trouble believing that his say was, "I wouldn't pick him" and yet he ended up being the pick. There were several reports over the years that Parcells was given a few picks each year where he made the final call. So you can think its nonsense, but I disagree.

Well those several reports were here say, nothing straight out of anyone's mouth......meanwhile you have the man himself being asked point blank. Now I'm not saying it's entirely his fault and in fact I doubt Pat White was even his idea but he is the GM and we were told repeatedly by Parcells that it was Ireland's show to run so it makes perfect sense to think that Ireland was part of the process, especially when in this interview, he so much as admits that he was...

Also, this isn't a condemnation of Ireland....... I like the fact that someone is finally stepping forward and taking some heat. It's a breath of fresh air........ but it should also put an end to " Jeff Ireland did not want Pat White". Because there is absolutely no proof of that.

It should also put an end to all this speculation about who's responsible for what, when none of those speculations have any solid source. Which is my biggest problem with it..

To think anyone acted alone in Pat White is foolish. Several are to blame. At a minimum Ireland and Parcells.

"jetssuck wrote:

Well those several reports were here say, nothing straight out of anyone's mouth......meanwhile you have the man himself being asked point blank. Now I'm not saying it's entirely his fault and in fact I doubt Pat White was even his idea but he is the GM and we were told repeatedly by Parcells that it was Ireland's show to run so it makes perfect sense to think that Ireland was part of the process, especially when in this interview, he so much as admits that he was...

Also, this isn't a condemnation of Ireland....... I like the fact that someone is finally stepping forward and taking some heat. It's a breath of fresh air........ but it should also put an end to " Jeff Ireland did not want Pat White". Because there is absolutely no proof of that.

It should also put an end to all this speculation about who's responsible for what, when none of those speculations have any solid source. Which is my biggest problem with it..

The only reason it should put an end to it is that its mostly irrelevant now. But the statement from the "horses mouth" says nothing more than "you want to blame somebody, blame me". It says nothing about whether he deserved the blame. So this quote is no more of a solid source regarding who deserved the blame than the past ones you had an issue with. In fact, I feel this quote didn't address who deserved the blame at all. The question was point blank, but he dodged it, so it answers the question even less than the past sources.

Honestly, I really don't care. White was a bust, and I'm over it, as is the team.

David Lee was the one pushing for Pat White. Dan Henning pushed for Chad Henne. Neither was a Parcells pick but both were drafted due to the recommendations of Lee and Henning. As GM, you get feedback from different parties and have to determine who you will listen to or not listen to. I'm sure other coaches were pushing for different players with those picks. At the end of the day it was Ireland who pulled the trigger so it does fall on him and he will take the credit or blame for Henne and take the blame for White

"rafael wrote:

The only reason it should put an end to it is that its mostly irrelevant now. But the statement from the "horses mouth" says nothing more than "you want to blame somebody, blame me". It says nothing about whether he deserved the blame. So this quote is no more of a solid source regarding who deserved the blame than the past ones you had an issue with. In fact, I feel this quote didn't address who deserved the blame at all. The question was point blank, but he dodged it, so it answers the question even less than the past sources.

It's not irrelevant at all....... just look at the reports from the media, the arguments on this forum. It's relevant because all we keep hearing is that well Ireland isn't responsible for this guy or that guy and that's why Ross cut him some slack and kept him.

He was part of the process as he was/is in all personnel decisions... and, the man ultimately in charge.

He's sitting right there and explaining the process......that he was a part of. And yet it's less credible than the rumors that have been tossed around? He's taking the heat because well, the buck stops with him......

Again, this isn't a condemnation of Ireland. In fact as of today my respect for Ireland has grown. It's about damn time someone stood up in this clown show, raised their hand and took some responsibility. I hope this new way of handing things continues, it would go along way in restoring some credibility with the fans...

"adamprez2003 wrote:

David Lee was the one pushing for Pat White. Dan Henning pushed for Chad Henne. Neither was a Parcells pick but both were drafted due to the recommendations of Lee and Henning. As GM, you get feedback from different parties and have to determine who you will listen to or not listen to. I'm sure other coaches were pushing for different players with those picks. At the end of the day it was Ireland who pulled the trigger so it does fall on him and he will take the credit or blame for Henne and take the blame for White

The part in bold is the only thing we know for sure..... the rest is speculation. The reason that is important is that a lot of reports in the media and arguments on here are based on those speculations as tho they are proven facts...

Bottom line is that the best we can do in most cases is speculate and ppl should acknowledge that, rather than speak as tho it's a matter of fact..

I still remember the time I went to draftcountdown.com and they had us taking Pat White in the 2nd round. I shook my head in disgust and vowed to never return to that site or any other site that was dumb enough to think we'd make such a moronic draft pick. Oops. It's not often someone can be so right and so wrong all at the same time.

Why is the White issue even important a full two years after he was drafted?

Well, the Dolphins this offseason find themselves in a position of needing to add a quarterback so they can have insurance for the uncertain abilities and future of Chad Henne.

And so they have to cover old ground because they addressed that insurance need, they thought, by picking White in the second round of the 2009 draft. But White was the most un-Dolphins-like pick in the Parcells-Ireland-Sparano era. He was smallish. He was not exceptionally strong. He was overmatched physically on the field.

Now Miami must use another draft pick to address that need.

Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/01/jeff-ireland-on-pat-white-henne-marshall-relationship.html#ixzz1CSS8ePhK

It's relevant because it's still affecting us,

"Phintastic wrote:

The Past is the past. Look at the positives. The Dolphins have done great defensively draft wise. Lets hope they get it right this season and we will have a pretty good ball club.

We beat The Packers and the Jets , and Unofficially the Steelers. We were just a QB away from giving the Bears a run for their money as well. With everyone healthy , and some new blood on offense I'm really thinking we are not a bad as people make us out to be. Maybe even........SUPER good.

If you only want to discuss the positives about this team over the last 10 years, it's gonna be an empty forum.

The guy who was the GM during the Pat White pick is STILL the GM; that makes discussion of the pick still relevant. Will he make the same kind of stupid mistake again? Maybe one only half as stupid?

It's also relevant because now we STILL have to address a position we supposedly addressed with that pick - a very high pick at that. The kind we won't have again unless we stink up the league again next season.

And that's my big-picture concern with having kept Ireland and Sparano: STEWARDSHIP.

"NaboCane wrote:

It's relevant because it's still affecting us,

Exactly!

"jetssuck wrote:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/01/jeff-ireland-on-pat-white-henne-marshall-relationship.html

This doesn't say anything except that Ireland is a team player...he said if you want to blame someone, blame me....to me, that's taking one on the chin for the sake of the organization....I still think it was a Parcells move...

"Larryfinfan wrote:

This doesn't say anything except that Ireland is a team player...he said if you want to blame someone, blame me....to me, that's taking one on the chin for the sake of the organization....I still think it was a Parcells move...

Two things..

1. Yes, he's being a team player and that's a point I'm trying to make that seems to be flying over some ppl's heads.....that FINALLY one of the two guys in charge of things are actually taking some responsibility. Good, it's about damn time somebody did..

2. You think it was a Parcells move because of what? His past penchant for taking undersized players? Because you heard a passed along rumor? Not saying Parcells doesn't have any responsibility in it but at least 50 % of the arguments made on this forum since all of this went down were based on speculation and hearsay..... which generally doesn't cut it around here.

Ireland is trying to remain in the good graces of Parcells, so he is willing to accept the blame for this pick. Good for him, because he may need Parcells assistance in obtaining another job in the NFL after he is fired after next season. No matter who was responsible for the Pat White pick, Parcells or Ireland. The fact remains that this has to go down as one of the worst picks in the history of the Dolphins and possibly in the NFL. The man never completed one pass in the NFL and he was so bad that they continued to use Ronnie Brown in the Wildcat because White was not even able to run the few plays in this package.

LOL, so instead of people admitting they were wrong about Ireland NOT wanting White, people are instead calling this article a cover up or some BS.

He missed on Pat White big deal, gm's make bad picks every draft stop making excuses for him.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

David Lee was the one pushing for Pat White. Dan Henning pushed for Chad Henne. Neither was a Parcells pick but both were drafted due to the recommendations of Lee and Henning. As GM, you get feedback from different parties and have to determine who you will listen to or not listen to. I'm sure other coaches were pushing for different players with those picks. At the end of the day it was Ireland who pulled the trigger so it does fall on him and he will take the credit or blame for Henne and take the blame for White

Eh, not concerned with the blame concerned with no more screw ups.

"padre31 wrote:

Eh, not concerned with the blame concerned with no more screw ups.

lmao......really?

Because you're damn sure not shy about using it when it supports your arguments.......in fact you whip that hearsay out like it's your secret weapon. Seems it meant a lot more to ya before your boy Irish came out and told you different... :wink2:

"jetssuck wrote:

lmao......really?

Because you're damn sure not shy about using it when it supports your arguments.......in fact you whip that hearsay out like it's your secret weapon. Seems it meant a lot more to ya before your boy Irish came out and told you different... :wink2:

Is that really what you think Ireland did here JS?

Jimmy Johnson a legendary draft genuis, picked John Avery in the first rd...point is shnit happens.