Ireland: Egnew's going to have a good season.

Fine...everybody else got it and debated it with me, but you missed it?

I criticized how Ireland answered the question: "Is Jake Long elite?" His answer suggested a lack of intelligence and general meatheadedness (I am sure I just invented that word) that he has become known for.

 

Of course you did. Of course you do. And no thanks.

Ireland lacks intelligence and speaking ability. I respect your feelings.

 

Hint: there is plenty of evidence on this forum to support that. Now, if he doesn't resign Long...then it was an obvious mistake, and I can admit I was wrong. Ireland won't do that of course.

I am still wondering how you didn't understand what I was talking about, when 3 others did and debated it with me in this very thread.

 

I dunno, probably went to the same school as Irish.

 

this if he walks it is a bust pick hands down and there is no defending it....Number 1 overall picks dont walk away uncompensated....Number 1 overall picks are cornerstones of your franchise for over a decade, and at LT it isnt unfair to say for over a decade as well....

and to come with it was Parcells pick is weak because given the amount money and resources Irish has spent on O-line, he would have picked Long over some QB from the Big East as well.....

 

okay...that's funny.

 

'Jake Long is a future hall of famer."

Remember all of that nonsense? After just one year people were talking like this.

 

he would be in the running if not for injuries.

 

So Jake Long is a bust now?

 

nope. but it will be a bust pick if they don't resign him.

 

no the pick is....Jake Long will continue his career with somebody else most likely and have a very good career. He himself isnt a bust like say JaMarcus Russell.....

I am saying the pick for the organization is a bust if they dont resign him and he walks away uncompensated....They should have traded him then at that point...

 

Are you saying this as an indictment of Ireland?

 

With players that were on the board..at the end of a five year span, fasano and clay is an overall "OK" for the evaluation job?... Not in my opinion..you gotta go below average for that timespan, hell bro we haven't had a developmental prospect to be excited about in five years..I won't give all the blame to Ireland, but he didnt find one in the later rounds either which was probably his territory in the early years..

I've been very aware of trying to be fair to Ireland, and trying to give him a proper timeline for which to evaluate his skills, but finding one good player, at a position, after 5 years is not ok GM..

 

If Jake Long doesn't get signed, goes on to play well for some other team, and we get nothing for him, once again, that would not be ok.

Just trying to get inside their head here, but if they don't want Long anymore, why not tag him, put a tender on him, and offer him up to the highest bidder.?

Jake may not wanna play here anymore so I really have no idea what's gonna happen..

 

Unless he said this while spotting Eggnew at the bench presses and helping him work the jugs machine, I'm gonna go ahead and take this statement by Ireland with a grain of salt

 

I do want to give him another year, and really I wasn't talking about him when it came to irelands overall evaluation.. I think what you said here is really important, I think as a fanbase as a whole it's something that has to change around here a bit, support and enthusiasm is essential in a successful culture, conscious decisions to think before speaking or writing with your favorites teams best interest involved should not just happen when the wins are coming..

Thank you for bringing it up, and I hope more people can apply it..I understand that's a bit off topic and did not apply to anyone specifically.

 

But you can accept any offer..

 

But wouldn't you still be on the hook for the money?

 

Didn't go through all 6 pages, but this is the same declaration he gave Clyde Gates too. I have no faith in Jeff Ireland's declarations.

 

You shouldn't. Especially at this time of year.

 

He probably will have a good season. On another team after we cut him.

 

That's asinine. By that measure anyone who makes it to free agency is a bust.

 

If he does leave, the only #1 overall pick in the last decade to be on the same team after their original contract would be Alex Smith (who's obviously lost his job, FWIW). If he stays, he'd be the exception rather than the rule.

Manning is still with the Giants obviously, which can be counted by whoever wants to decide if him being traded draft day and being taken #1 overall counts or not.

I also think its telling that the folks that got extensions are QBs. In fact, since 1990 the only #1 overall that got an extension that wasn't a QB was Orlando Pace

 

By that measure, #1 picks who make it to FA is a bust.

Jake Long was a #1 overall pick. You can't cherry pick the measures here, as you just did.

 

Holy crap!

That's shocking to me. I think that right there tells us if you don't want a QB trade out of #1.

 

I think, if I did this right, since 1980 only 3 non QBs got an extension, and they were Pace, Irving Fryar, and Bruce Smith. I'm sure Bo would have gotten one too had he not got hurt.

 

Of course it isn't.

You draft a Left Tackle #1, you expect to have Anthony Munoz, Jonathan Ogden, Joe Thomas, Richmond Webb. A guy that will eb a staple for your offense for his entire career, if not the majority of it.

it will simply prove that the correct pick at the time was Matt Ryan, and Ireland, Me, and everybody else that advocated for Jake Long were.....wait for it.....wrong.

 

Whether Miami decides to pay the market price for Long really is independent of whether he was the correct pick. Either way, while Long was still a great pick, Ryan was the best option in hindsight.

 

This is as simple as I can make it.

Jake Long has a Hall of Fame trajectory so far, if he can resolve some of his durability issues as of late.

If Ireland gives up on him, and he completes a HOF career somewhere else, then not only was it the wrong pick to take Long instead of Matt Ryan, but he would have compounded the mistake by not keeping Long.

 

It's a misquote. He meant Egnew would have a great offseason.

Lots of trips planned.

 

Or that the structure if the organization doomed it.

Jake Longs decline really began sharply with the preseason injury because Sparano is a dim coach.

Sparano was, IMO, more Parcells choice than Ireland's.

A real organization has a competent, empowered GM who can build the entire franchise the way he wants from the top down.

Jake was a great pick. Sparano was not.

 

But its not really a mistake if its because of issues beyond what Ireland could have known.

 

This is incorrect. actually the opposite is true.

Since 1980, only 3 "good to average" players left after their initial contract. 1981 George Rogers, 2000 Courtney Brown, 2006 Mario Williams. You can count Vinny Testeverde in that group if you want, although he was a bust in Tampa Bay.

 

SO to recap...

There have been 32 #1 overall picks. 3 good players were let go. 1 bust player was let go and became serviceable (Vinny).

The only Pro Bowlers to leave after one contract were George Rogers and Mario Williams. Jake Long would be the third...in 33 Years. You're doin' a heckuva job there Jeffy!

Yeah, it is one helluva indictment of Ireland if Long were not retained and he performed well elsewhere.