Ireland: Beck Had More Upside

Which is 100% correct, McCown is what he is, a journeyman QB. Beck has an upside, will he make it? Who knows, but it was a no brainer to keep him.

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

Which is 100% correct, McCown is what he is, a journeyman QB. Beck has an upside, will he make it? Who knows, but it was a no brainer to keep him.

Agreed. McCown=Harrington 2.0

Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to see Beck dealt by the trade deadline and another hand picked Parcells guy added. JMO

surprised he said that about Beck but as one of his biggest critics I gotta tip my hat to the guy. He must've been playing well in practice. The upside comment is a no brainer but to say that his play in the last week and a half solidified it is interesting. Either its more poker from these guys trying to get someone to bite on a trade or its a genuine commentary. Hopefully its a genuine commentary. Great and Beck havent been used in the same sentence for quite a while

"adamprez2003 wrote:

surprised he said that about Beck but as one of his biggest critics I gotta tip my hat to the guy. He must've been playing well in practice.

If you watch the presser, he says exactly that. Beck improved as training camp progressed. McCown did not. Beck's ceiling is much higher than McCown's, therefore McCown was shipped off to Carolina. (I doubt he's complaining, Carolina is a better team than we are. For now.)

Beck isn't going anywhere, at least this season. The 2009 QB competition is critical for the future of our franchise. Someone not named Chad Pennington needs to win.

I'm just happy we got a pick for mccown, and daniels for that matter

it's a shock the way we are doing business ....i love it

Saying you have more upside than Josh McCown, is equivalent to saying that someone in a coma is more lively than a corpse.

"gi§h® wrote:

Saying you have more upside than Josh McCown, is equivalent to saying that someone in a coma is more lively than a corpse.

:lol::lol:

"adamprez2003 wrote:

surprised he said that about Beck but as one of his biggest critics I gotta tip my hat to the guy. He must've been playing well in practice. The upside comment is a no brainer but to say that his play in the last week and a half solidified it is interesting. Either its more poker from these guys trying to get someone to bite on a trade or its a genuine commentary. Hopefully its a genuine commentary. Great and Beck havent been used in the same sentence for quite a while

I'll guess that it's both. There will be more demand for him next year, might as well start the pumping now.

"gi§h® wrote:

Saying you have more upside than Josh McCown, is equivalent to saying that someone in a coma is more lively than a corpse.

Good call on that one.

"FiN.in.RI wrote:

I'll guess that it's both. There will be more demand for him next year, might as well start the pumping now.

Doubt that. IMO, next year's quarterback crop is going to be one of the better classes in a while, presuming the declarations of guys like Matt Stafford.

"Desides wrote:

Doubt that. IMO, next year's quarterback crop is going to be one of the better classes in a while, presuming the declarations of guys like Matt Stafford.

If that's the case then Ireland will probably pick another one of his own QB's and Beck will likely be the odd man out come training camp. Either way, as it stands today, as the 3rd string QB odds are against Beck being on this team next year at this time.

"FiN.in.RI wrote:

If that's the case then Ireland will probably pick another one of his own QB's and Beck will likely be the odd man out come training camp. Either way, as it stands today, as the 3rd string QB odds are against Beck being on this team next year at this time.

Heavily disagreed. If Beck comes along, there's no reason to pick a QB, especially with the myriad other needs on this team. We need a stud pass rusher ala DeMarcus Ware, a receiver, probably some more OL depth, a stud corner, and a couple of other things.

The good quarterback class just means talent at the positions we need will fall to us.

"Desides wrote:

Heavily disagreed. If Beck comes along, there's no reason to pick a QB, especially with the myriad other needs on this team. We need a stud pass rusher ala DeMarcus Ware, a receiver, probably some more OL depth, a stud corner, and a couple of other things.

The good quarterback class just means talent at the positions we need will fall to us.

We shall find out what happens, it could go either way IMHO. Regardless, i'm not too worried about the 3rd string Quarterback position.

So much for the "Could Beck possibly be released by the end of training camp?" threads

MMQB (cont.) - Peter King - SI.com

"FiN.in.RI wrote:

If that's the case then Ireland will probably pick another one of his own QB's and Beck will likely be the odd man out come training camp. Either way, as it stands today, as the 3rd string QB odds are against Beck being on this team next year at this time.

Let me guess, you think we should use another 2nd round pick for a QB next year ??? I think it's way too early to be condemning Beck to the waiver wire next year. A lot can happen twixt now and then... Per Ireland himself, he's improved as camp has gone on...

"Desides wrote:

If you watch the presser, he says exactly that. Beck improved as training camp progressed. McCown did not. Beck's ceiling is much higher than McCown's, therefore McCown was shipped off to Carolina. (I doubt he's complaining, Carolina is a better team than we are. For now.)

Beck isn't going anywhere, at least this season. The 2009 QB competition is critical for the future of our franchise. Someone not named Chad Pennington needs to win.

ahh What if Chad Pennington has a rating over 90 this year, would you still not want him starting?

Since CP been starting i've thought he was better then 1/2 the QB's in the NFL, like i've said before we shouldn't be in a rush to get rid of a real good QB.Not after past 9 years of hell.

As far as Beck.... i'm happy for him he's still here,but they have been trying to move him , it was only after they didn't get what they wanted for him that they moved McCown.So Becks job is not very safe,any team could have him for a 5th round pick it would seem, seeing how Dallas offered a late round pick and we didn't take it.

Also Beck's ceiling has always been much higher than McCown's, thats why so many Dolfans get bent when he does not play well.anyways

"TotoreMexico wrote:

So much for the "Could Beck possibly be released by the end of training camp?" threads

MMQB (cont.) - Peter King - SI.com

Yep. It looks like Beck might actually be able to be that long term backup that so many of us have advocated him being. Good for young Johnny. Its good to see nice people do well.

I have to admit, I was worried for him. He obviously shows more in practice than he does in games. But in any case, poor plays and fumbles aside, he is actually going to be our emergency QB in week one, and thats a good thing.

They were so spot on with their McCown analysis that anything Parcells says about QBs has to be taken with all the salt in Utah.

"Larryfinfan wrote:

Let me guess, you think we should use another 2nd round pick for a QB next year ??? I think it's way too early to be condemning Beck to the waiver wire next year. A lot can happen twixt now and then... Per Ireland himself, he's improved as camp has gone on...

Exactly, the Qb position brings out some of the oddest comments, Beck is a third string Qb with physical talent and a head full of mush at the moment, it costs us very little to keep him.

I can't help but think that a full year in Henning's offense will do wonders for him, he just seems to have a tough time learning offenses, which to me comes from his 4yrs in a BYU shotgun mostly offense.

You can see the mistake that was made last year from here, the FO thought he was a 4yr starter with great intelligence and character with way above average tools, they just didn't plan on Beck's slow learning curve and at the moment, lack of mental toughness.

To me, he improved in Camp because the pressure was off of him, the results didn't "Count" so to speak.

You know the old saying those that can do - those that can't coach. I would be thrilled to have Beck's set of eyes on the sidelines of every game. I have absolutely no doubt he's a smart guy and probably knows the rules of being a Qb very well. To actually do those at pro game speed may not be quite his role. If he can be an extra set of eyes to help Pennington, Henning & Sparano this season he's well worth his spot on the roster.

I'm sure glad we kept Beck!!

BTW, hero13. I'm back from fishing!!!

It never helps getting rid of such a valuable commodity as a young quarterback that can make it in this league. Even if we hold on we've got nothing to lose, his value won't go down.

I know he's older, etcc etc...

He's still worth more than a 6th or 7th.

I think it's kind of sad what has happen to Beck.

He has everything you'd look for out of a starting NFL QB.Yet he just can't seem to use his god given talent the way we'd all like.

The guy made more $$$ in the NFL then i'll make for the next 30 years so it's kind of hard to feel sorry for him, yet i always will because it seems like he'll always be a shell of what he could of been.:(