In Hindsight do you still trade Marshall for Eggnew and a 3rd rounder?

You're moving the goalposts.

Marshall's production here is being duplicated by Brian Hartline. If Marshall was great here then you must be ready to blow Hartline.

 

Huh?

Larry Fitzgerald lit it up last year, and I ghaven't seen his stats this year. Moss? Moss is done. Players get old you know.

 

No he hasn't

Marshall had over 1,000 yards with us. Hartline is sitting at 891 right now.

 

Hindsight? I never wanted the trade in the first place. Lol. Marshall was the best player we had.

I'm a firm believer that if you want to GET good you keep your best players. You don't trade them UNLESS they are getting old and still merit some worth.

The only time you even CONSIDER trading a young star is if the compensation is overwhelming.

The Dolphins FO does not follow any of these simple rules, which is why they will always suck until they get someone competent running the show.

I'm still going over the Wes Welker trade in my head today, as well as passing up Drew Brees, and he VARIOUS draft blunders (where we got trash and passed up amazing talent) Hell we missed Drew Brees twice.

 

Moss wasn't old in Oakland and AZ doesn't have a QB and Fitz production has fallen.
Also Marshall has a higher catch rate than Calvin, Roddy, Julio, Colston, and Green.

 

You mean Marshall had more yards at the end of a full season then Hartline does now? lol. Seriously man. There's two whole games left.

 

So I can expect Hartline to average almost 100 to get over 1,000? I doubt he is going to get over 20 Rec which Marshall was averaging around 85 for us.

Edit Short changed Hartline he has a bit more time to get 1,000 baring injury.

 

LOL. Pay attention.

1 + 1 + 1 = 3

Hartline, Marshall, Bess

vs.

Hartline, Bess

If Hartline made up for Marshall's production (he hasn't,not even close), then who makes up for Hartline's?

Got it now, as in 3 is better than 2?

 

That's true, he wasn't I was confusing his time in Tennessee with his time on Oakland. My bad.

 

This is the best defense for not trading Marshall.

The last sentence was my exact problem with it. They never replaced Marshall with anyone decent they just assumed Bess and Hartline would be adequate.

Nah, punching a guy in a nightclub a day before getting traded wasnt a distraction. Theres always something with him. Id rather have Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe or Greg Jennings over Marshall. Like I said above, my problem wasnt that we traded Marshall, my problem was that we thought Bess and Hartline were good enough and they arent even close. Theyre a 2 and 4 on a great team or 2-3 on a good team.

Calvin isnt on the police blotter 2-3x a year. Calvin is a team captain. Calvin is the best receiver in the league since Jerry freakin Rice. Theres no comparison.

Its not an emotional diatribe. You just lack comprehension skills. I dont care if he 2000 yards, hes a bad teammate and a selfish player. Like I said, fantasy football HOF.

 

Yeah I'd agree with you there Moss was done after the Patriots traded him to the Vikings.

He was defending his girlfriend wasn't he? If we get Mike Wallace I'll be happy but no way in hell Bowe is touching Marshall numbers (maybe in drops) Jennings is injury plagued.

I was comparing drop numbers as Calvin has dropped quite a few balls this year.

 

There's not an attention problem, Sport.

If Marshall was great here, then a lessor WR shouldn't be able to put up similar numbers.

I'm not sure how you think team production matters on a one player to one player comparison, other than you know you lost this one and are spinning and evading.

 

Fitzgerald lit it up last year?

You do know that there is football in Arizona this year and Fitzgerald has been terrible all year there. right?

and Moss in Oakland was younger than Moss in New England when he caught a billion TD's that year they went 16-0.

 

Hartline has stepped up in some way but he is overachieving. He is at best a 3rd option elsewhere but has been thrusted upon the QB first option. He is a good player just not 1st option good.

 

If you wouldn't call what Fitz did last year "lighting it up" then you need to stop with your Marshal worship, because Fitz's 2011 smoked Marshall's 2011.

And I corrected my Moss screw up.

 

Marshall had 81 catches for 1,214 and 6 TD's last year. Hartline is not going to come close to that production, so let's stop with this "Hartline replaced him" crap.

 

where did I say that he didn't light it up last year? Again...they played football this year. Fitzgerald participated as well.

 

How the hell can I "lose this one" (didn't know we were competing) when you keep saying that Hartline is putting up similar numbers, when he hasn't.

 

Bowe had 15 TDs a few years ago. I dont care if he touches Marshalls yardage numbers. Bowe is a redzone beast. Jennings is a consummate teammate, knows the offense and is still talented. That hes injured means we may get him cheaper then expected.

Thats great, I never said drops was the problem I had with him. I said he misses more big plays and the timing of his drops was my problem with him on the field. Aside from his emotional outbursts and selfish play.

 

My point I'm making about Marshall is even though he has had drops a large part of it has to do with poor QB play.

Lets look at Bowe he had a break out year with his 15 tds (Cassel's best year as a QB) but since then Cassel has dropped off and could be argued due to injuries Bowe's production has taken a hit. He had a pretty solid season last year actually its quite similar to BRANDON MARSHALL.

Tell me which player is which.

PLAYER A-81 Rec, 145 targets, 1214 yards, 6 TD, 53 FD.

PLAYER B-81 Rec, 141 targets, 1159 yards, 5 TD, 57 FD.

I fail to see how paying Marshall 10M a year is bad when it would cost to get Bowe 10M+.

Marshall is killing it this year with a competent QB. Did you catch his jump ball TD against the Vikings today?

 

I'd trade him everyday of the week and twice on Sunday's, I still support the decision.

What I don't support is trading your #1 receiver and having no ****ing plan to replace the production.

 

lol this might be the dumbest statement I've read in my brief time here.

 

I don't understand trading a productive player because he might get into trouble. When he does, cut him. Until he does, play him. Two third rounders are two gambles. Marshall was more of a sure thing.

 

Let me guess:

People's viewpoints on this covary with their opinions about Jeff Ireland. If you know where somebody stands on one thing, there's probably a 95% chance you know where he stands on the other.

 

The problem with Dwayne Bowe is the issue of whether you're going to get from him now whatever the Chiefs got from him in the past. His attitude is questionable, work ethic has come under fire, and he could be one of those guys that from year to year just isn't the same.

I think Greg Jennings makes too much sense for them because they know him, know his attitude, know how he works, and know if there's a chance then he's going to overcome it. What they don't know is at 29 years old coming off a bunch of injuries, maybe he can't overcome...just not possible.

And from their standpoint for their purposes (assuming Ireland is still there), Greg Jennings fits within the trio of Brian Hartline, Davone Bess and himself. You've got two outside guys and one underneath slot guy. From there they'd just want a tight end that could consistently threaten the deep middle, and then they could feel like they have their answer. Hell, it might even work like that.

 

A bunch of injuries? I thought he's only had a groin injury.

 

I'd be surprised...but only because I am not accustomed to the Dolphins making a move to get the obvious fit.


Sometimes I think a poll here On ThePhins would produce better personnel moves, actually.

Though we would be stuck with Jerry Hughes now.

 

Lets also not forget some other production that having Marshall gave the team. The running game last season ranked right near the top 10 in the league. The running game this season is near 20th. Having a rookie Qb with Hartline and Bess on the outside has let teams cheat a safety into the box on a constant basis. Lets also not forget how Marshall is a pretty damned good blocker in the run game as well.

Trading Marshall is fine. Not replacing him subtracts from the teams production no matter how it's sliced.

 

Brian Hartline is on pace for 1138 yards, and Davone Bess 975. That's 2113 yards.

Last year, Marshall, Hartline, and Bess ended up with 2300 yards.

They've essentially replaced Marshall without replacing Marshall.

 

Ah, but the theory of why trading Marshall was bad is what's important. It doesn't have to have any factual underpinning.

 

No, they really haven't! There is a lack of production all the way around. The team cannot run because opponents are stacking the box constantly because they would rather take the chance that a Rookie Qb, Bess, and Hartline cant beat them. With Marshall, or a player such as him, teams keep both safeties back and a Lb near the middle.

 

That's not why they can't run the ball, and I don't think it's all that appropriate to directly correlate the safety position with how much they respect the pass.

 

Only on this board do fans chastise an elite WR, and praise a couple average ones.

 

No, not only on this board. In most fan bases, reliable, hard-working players who may be under-talented but are still very productive are if anything overly lauded relative to their merits.

If you have an argument for why what I'm saying or what is being said is wrong, by all means, give it a whack.

 

That is one of the exact reasons they cannot run the ball consistently. And how could it not be appropriate? It's not that they don't respect the pass. It's them seeing what's there. Bess and Hartline are pretty decent Wr's and there is also a rookie Qb that's not very experienced. It's more about defenses stacking the box saying we're going to committ to stopping the run until you make is stop. Of course running the ball effectively is not just because there is an added safety up into the box but it is a huge part of it.

 

They've replaced one aspect of what Brandon Marshall provided: Yards. That's it.

 

A safety in the box does not inherently mean the team is forgoing multiple players in deep coverage.

 

That's all he provided.

 

Hartline is putting up similar numbers.