In a perfect world if Grier and McDaniel were fired after the season,...

Director of College Scouting…General Manager who actually drafts…

TomAto, Tomauto

 

Grier’s handling of a very good player in Van Ginkel

Let him go for 10 mill for Shaq Barrett who retired lol

 

lol wait did he say Brian billick ???


Ahhh man I need that laugh

Anyways both Grier and McDaniel have til the end of the year to make this run memorable

 

Yeah, if Grier didn’t offer him $11m to get him to stay that’s probably his biggest blunder last year. I would have loved to keep Wilkins and Hunt, but not at the prices they got.

 

I posted this before, but it is a really good piece. Just wanted to post some of Grier's lowlights.

https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/dolphins-not-getting-much-from-recent-drafts-01j8jas5pxbv

Here's some real gems:
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"Meanwhile, two other players who have yet to see the field in 2024 are the Dolphins' top selection in 2022 and 2023, Channing Tindall and Cam Smith."

"Tindall has been inactive for every game, as he stands fifth on the depth chart as an inside linebacker behind David Long, Jr., Jordyn Brooks, Duke Riley, and Anthony Walker, Jr."

"And this, of course, is where we can point out that two of the next eight picks after Smith last year had Kansas City taking wide receiver Rashee Rice and Buffalo taking guard O'Cyrus Torrence, now starting for the two best teams in the AFC at positions where the Dolphins clearly could use some help".

OUCH:
"The player picked immediately after Tindall in 2022 was fellow linebacker Leo Chenal, who has become a starter on a Chiefs defense driving the team. We could take this further and point out that after the Dolphins selected Erik Ezukanma (now on the practice squad) in the fourth round in that 2022 draft, the Packers, Cowboys, and Ravens took wide receiver Romeo Doubs, tight end Jake Ferguson, and tight end Isaiah Likely, and all three of those players would be of some help to the Dolphins just about now."

That was the price for those high-profile trades for Tyreek Hill, Bradley Chubb, and Jalen Ramsey, not to mention the loss of a third-round pick to move up in the second round to get Liam Eichenberg in 2021 and, of course, the forfeiture of a 2023 first-round pick and a 2024 third-round pick as sanctions for the tampering violations.

 

Agreed.. Hunt and wilkins at those prices are definitely a no from me so im okay with him letting them go.. wilkins contract is insane and the raiders are ***..

 

I really feel we need a new identity on offense.. enough with the flashy gimmicky stuff…

i look at detroits and tampas offense.. aggressive run block and run game, aggressive vertical passing.. that could work with the players we got..

Im sick of all the bubbly screens we run to try to make our guys go one vs one and most times it ends up tyreek vs 2 or 3 on a screen play..

lets copy what tampa and detroit are doing. Lets be less predictible .. im not a defensive coordinator and i know when the screen play is coming

 

I’ve been saying this for years…for decades! The Dolphins have lacked a brutally tough offensive line to move opponents at will. Because of this, the Dolphins have been a finesse, gimmicky offensive team frankly, going all the way back to Marino.

Jimmy Johnson and Dave Wannstedt did try to bring the running game and power offensive line back during their tenure here, but they went too far and the passing game suffered with a lack of quarterback and receivers.

There is absolutely no doubt in my military mind that we have the BEST skill position players on offense. Hill & Waddle, Achane & Wright, not to mention Mostert.

If we could just get 1500 lbs of brutal, corn fed, man moving offensive linemen, this team, offensively, could be unstoppable!!! McDaniel wouldn’t have to run bubble screens, or pitches to get to the outside edge! We could get a guaranteed 5 yard run right up the gut if we just had an OL that dominated in the trenches.

 

Unfortunately, that kind of OL doesn't really exist in the NFL anymore. All the good athletes play on the DL since it pays more, there is a real lack of talent on the OL throughout the whole league.

Miami just needs 5 guys that are bang average, if this team had an OL that was around 15th ranked then we wouldn't be seeing the issues we do. Rob Jones is the worst starting G in the league, Eichenberg is probably in the bottom 5 and unfortunately Jackson is playing like a bottom 10 RT this season as well. However plays at LT when Armstead is out is bottom 5 as well so the line as a whole just flat out sucks.

 

See, I dont agree...OLs like that do still exist. Last night I watched the Tampa/Atlanta game and I saw the Bucs run it on 3rd and 3....right up the gut...and got the first down....Old fashioned in the trenches warfare.

Tampa, Dallas, Baltimore and Philadelphia are teams that come to him as having GOOD offensive lines. I guess it all depends on an organization's mindset as to what is important for a successful team.

 

In the first half of last season, when the Dolphins had the number one running and passing attacks, their OL was very average. The offense sputtered when 4/5 of the line was hurt.

 

I would trade Armstead in a heartbeat but nobody would be foolish enough to take him. He's injured every week. Hopefully he retires so we can move on.

 

I would as well, cause I think we’re going nowhere this season. I wouldn’t like it though because it would show to me that Grier is safe and he doesn’t need to worry about his job (which he probably doesn’t have to anyways)…

 

Tampa, atlanta, detroit.. we need to copy their style of play, period. Thats the offense that i like to see, everything going vertical. Everything physical.
We have the running backs to do it. We have the receivers to do it. We need the quarterback to come back healthy. We are missing a tight end, we are missing a guard.

im willing to part ways with a star receiver and even ramsey to fill in the holes we got. But the identity of the offense needs to change.

This trick play gimmick bubble screen nonsense, defenses are too fast for that. Im seeing the lions and buccaneers just shredding people, and they got their trick plays but their timing is perfect when they do it because, the threat of their primary offense is what defenses are focused on.

Another example of just great playcalling last night, atlanta down by 3, 4th and 3 yesterday, Morris couldve gone for it late in the fourth qtr, and he didnt because he knew what a threat baker mayfield has been offensively. He punts it away.

that is a rookie coach making decisions that i know Mcdaniels wouldve gone for it. And we hve been stopped numerous times at fourth down this season doing some horizontal counter play and we set up our defense in a bad situation.


We have got to be so much better coaching wise, some of you have no idea how one decision like the one Morris made last night on fourth down, makes a difference.

There are times to be aggressive and take the analytics, and there are times you have to put analytics away.

 

In regard to punting in last nights game, Campbell would have gone for it. If you make it, you’re a genius, if not, then you’re a turd.

 

I’ll attribute this to @Fineas who posted all the stats/info:

At no time has a Shannahan offense paid for or drafted highly an OG. And by most every metric, even this season, the OL has been about average.

 

By the way im proud to have never left the Baker Mayfield fan club. Lots wrote him off, because they didnt like his attitude or personality. Hes a franchise qb, hes infinitely better than Deshaun Watson, and he is a current top 5 quarterback. Period.

and tampa bay got him for free. And his contract is a bargain 3 year 100 million.

 

“Currently” Sam Darnold is the best QB in the league. I agree that Baker is much better than Watson, both as a human and QB, but I’m not ready to claim he’s a top 5 QB based off of 4-5 games. I think what he’s doing to playing great right now, but I want to wait and see how he finishes out this season. Over his career he’s a high 80’s PR QB. And I’ve never had anything against Baker. His “attitude”, to me, is just that of a competitor.

 

I think he will finish strong and have a good run in the playoffs. Offensively they got everything they need. Power run game, aggressive passing attack. Baker has the best playaction mechanics in the NFL. He sells it so well.

Defensively, tampas secondary needs pieces.. they should call us for Ramsey ill give him up for a third rounder..

He made a throw yesterday to the end zone yesterday to godwin that was just ridiculous.

He is special, tampa gave him a legitimate shot to be that quarterback and hes turned his whole career around after being bounced around and written off.

He has also basically turned Todd Bowles career around who was on the hot seat when brady was there.

 

Baker watches Mike Tyson highlights before the game to get pumped up…how could you not like him

 

There are a few issues with this though. First, the short yardage situations plagued us all year. We were able to overcome that in the first half because we had lots of big plays and we played largely inferior opponents. However, when the going got tough and we starting running up against the NFL's elite, we saw less big plays while the short yardage continued to kill us. Yes, having a lot of downed OL hurt us as well, but it magnified the existing issues and instead of trying to actually fix it, we made it worse. Many of those same trash backups are STILL ON THE TEAM!! STARTING!!!! Why is Liam still here? Lester Cotton? Is Wynn actually alive? Robert Jones?

I get that Shannahan style offenses don't typically invest in the offensive lines (especially guards), but what we are doing is a clear failure. It just is, and no amount of stat wrangling can or will fix it. We also need to understand that despite being a Florida team, you have to be built to play in adverse conditions. You almost certainly will need to win two playoff games in garbage weather in places like Buffalo, KC, Cinci, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc. What can help with that? A dominant OL that can bully people and set the tone. You know what helps on third and two with the game on the line in a December game in New England? A dominant OL. Or, we can just throw some more fades to Braxton Berrios or watch Jaylen Waddle drop another key ball or hand it off in the backfield while our entire line gets blown up for a 5 yard loss.

Grier needs to go, it's that simple to start with. That said, good organizations don't dump people a quarter of the way into the season. But his tenure is a failure.

 

Van Ginkel is killing it for the Vikings. 2 pick 6 TD's and some sacks

 

I see other teams both in pros and college run those 5 yard pitch back runs to the short side and they fail about 90% of the time. Same thing with those bubble screens. Defenses have caught up to those now. They are wasted calls, particullarly when you have some of the fastest guys in the NFL and should be going vertical.

 

Hyperbole.

In the NFL, bubble screens are completed about 87% of the time and the average yards made per completion is nearly 9 yards. The play isn’t inherently bad, it’s the execution.

 

Bump…. lol