If you could only fire one, who would you let go? Philbin or Ireland?

The Cardinals linemen can at least slow the rush down. Miami's linemen are getting beat off the snap, consistently. The reason Miami gives up so many sacks is because the line can't even slow down the pressure. It's compounded by the fact that Ireland can't even give the coaching staff running backs that can pass block. Miami's line cannot pass block. The backs cannot pass block. The tight ends are not good pass blockers. The results are the most sacked quarterback in the NFL despite the fact that he gets rid of the ball quicker than any other quarterback in the league.

 

Again, that's taking a starting point and working backwards and not even coming up with a lot of stuff to support it other than repetition.

The team has linemen it knows are bad, and they keep going pass-heavy, with under-manned protection schemes, with bad personnel decisions, with predictable play selection, predictable blocking schemes, and even predictable snap counts, while doing little to nothing in terms of constraint play. It's like Mike Martz on acid out there.

Then they've got a run scheme where they don't have the foggiest clue what works best for the players they've got on the roster, so they keep plodding along with what they want to do, despite it being unfeasible and maybe the worst possible option.

 

Based on what, exactly? What do you have to back any of this up?

 

And what scheme works better when you have piss poor linemen that can't block zone, man, or gap?

 

The results.

Arizona's adjusted sack rate is 7.1%. Miami's is 9.2%.

Miami has given up 59 sacks. The NFL average is 38 with an average adjusted sack percentage of 7.0%.

 

Carolina also fired their GM after last season.

 

It has to happen. We can make a coaching change. It won't matter any unless we make a change at the head of the table and replace the guy that has put the players on this team.

 

Why is there the slightest doubt as to what is wrong with the offensive line when a fading veteran is brought in and has to do the offensive line coach's job out on the field, then go public with "suggestions?"

Forget about Philbin and Ireland. Turner has no clue. He's got to go.

 

If I could only fire one.?...

It depends on the outcome Sunday, they lose that game then for sure Ireland is gone, but Philbin wouldn't be out of the weeds.

 

What do you have to back up your claim the Cards have a worse OL?

 

IM really trying to figure out how a team beats two elite qbs in a row then loses against Thad Lewis and the bills.

It's hard to blame it all on a bad matchup on the oline..19-0... Then one might say, "well they were spent after two weeks of beating those two elite qbs, and sometimes teams just don't come to play after some emotional wins", for which I could see is understandable and accepted on some level, but when you lose control of your destiny in the process of that letdown, really those two weeks prior, where you gave everything you had, doesn't mean sh&$ anymore..

It's really a topic maybe for another thread..it just blows me away..and the more I think about it, the more illogical it becomes and more rage overcomes me to think this team, a team that hasn't ever accomplished anything in this league, would come out flat and unemotional when everything was finally in our own hands???, that just doesn't make any sense but maybe were missing something in the human nature area..more and more, it just seems like they knew they were overmatched along the front line so they knew they wouldn't be able to execute their offense, which then let down the defense..

It's a tough one to figure out..

 

I really think alot of people are over thinking the Buffalo game, IMO.

We didnt match up well on the line. Tannehill was affected by the weather quite a bit. Then we just layed an egg. It happens. Sometimes the best teams in the NFL....can have games where they just flat suck. We dont ever play like that except on occasion. Most of the time, we play well enough to beat or lose to anyone.

If we lose to the Jets however. I say fire them all. I hate to make it a one game exam like that, but this is a game you cannot lose.

 

Firing everyone can affect Tannehill's career... Just fire Ireland... A new coach may want his own quarterback.

 

I don't think Tannehill will have any issue. QB's that are drafted as high as he was tend to get a chance on talent alone (Gabbert, Cutler, etc).

 

Don't be willfully obtuse, you know what I'm talking about.

They want to run their unadulterated passing concepts no matter what. They don't want to help out linemen in troubling 1v1 match-ups, they don't want to run constraint plays, they don't want to alter non-linemen blocker personnel. They want to run their protection schemes that advertise what they are pre-snap, and if those aren't going to work they're going to go down shooting.

 

I don't think you can hand-wave it away with a nebulous sense of the team being young, especially when there are so many other glaring coaching issues on this team. If collapsing in the clutch isn't part of that, it might be the only coaching element that is being done well with any consistency.

 

I didn't vote because rather than choosing between firing Philbin or Ireland I think I'd be more inclined to fire Sherman.

But, if I had to choose between Philbin and Ireland, it would be Ireland. And, it's not even close. Win or lose Sunday, I'm giving Philbin one more year (and hopefully more talent this off-season) to git 'er done.

 

That statistic also takes into consideration opponent strength and only deals with sacks, rather than pressures or hits. Which is exactly the combination of missing the big picture and unnecessary complexity that is characteristic of Football Outsiders, but that's another deal. Is it somehow more acceptable that you've given up sacks to a good opponent than a bad opponent? Why are we ignoring the overwhelming majority of negative pass protection plays when anyone whom has watched a degree of football has seen multiple low-sack games where pass rush pressure was a huge factor in a lack of offensive production? It's also worth mentioning you're bringing up that stat and Miami isn't the worst team on that statistic.

PFF has Miami's pass blocking efficiency at 18th, which takes into account all of the actual negative pass rush plays a team suffers. When you look at the nature of their pressures, the only single unique thing about their situation is that they convert an inordinate amount of pressures into sacks, and I think it's pretty clear when you watch Tannehill sitting in the pocket not taking his eyes off the downfield until it collapses that it's obvious why that is the case. It's not some unique phenomena reflective of the offensive line, it's how the coaching staff has chosen to handle their young quarterback(terribly).

 

Oh, give me a freaking break. This team has 8 wins with a team that has 7-8 win talent. Poorly coached teams don't overachieve like this. This is not 2007 with Cam Cameron taking a 6 win team to 1 win.

 

I don't know if any of you actually know this or not but Miami's pass blocking grade is not even close to as bad as the run blocking grade. Thats the bigger problem IMO.

 

You've determined the level of talent based I'm not sure what and are working backwards from that and I'm not sure what kind of sense that makes in light of being able to see individual and unit performances, why the team has lost games, and what kind of situations the losses have been.

 

Ok, so you disagree with the folks that think keeping this Qb in the pocket at all costs is necessary to his long term pocket development?

I've been trying to understand that development process considering it's about staying and going thru his reads, but my issue has been is it neutering his instinct to escape too much, where he loses sight of that critical line when to bolt, or is it worth it to make him stand in there as long as possible for the long term, I get a lot of folks who tell me the latter is more important, even though the sack # is growing exponentially.

 

Ever think about the possibility that it might affect Tannehill's career for the better?

Sure this is the coaching staff that made Ryan Tannehill a 1st rounder. It's also the coaching staff that made him a wide receiver in favor of Jerrod Johnson and Stephen McGee.

Very strong possibility that Tannehill is being hindered by this offense more than it's helping him.

 

They're being physically overpowered because they're weak, and outmaneuvered because they're slow and immobile, in both run blocking and in pass blocking. They suck. They are the reason our offense sucks. Their coach has no clue of how to help them improve. The general manager decided to go with what he had when it was clear they were totally inadequate, and passed on free agents who could have helped. It's the perfect storm and it's the story of this season, whether or not we beat the Jets on Sunday and get into the playoffs.

 

Yes, with as bad a blocking situation as the Dolphins has, it's more likely that keeping Tannehill in the pocket is going to result in him developing bad habits vs. pressure than letting him react to it how he would naturally.

They're acting like Tannehill is a read option quarterback whom isn't going to go down his progressions when pressured, when the guy already shows good timing and decision making when he's been allowed to do it.