If you could only fire one, who would you let go? Philbin or Ireland?

"mlb1399 wrote:

You are ignoring the fact that our completely undermanned team beat NE's undermanned team. Of course were their issue comes from injuries ours come from our GM who assembled the worst OL, running backs who are inept in all 3 phases of the game and of course managed to make our great defense worse with 3 high round draft picks and the "upgrade" at LB.

Going beyond the advanced analytics, our head coach has managed to take this roster, make them a playoff contender, add to last years win total and has us playing for a possible winning record and the possibility of playoffs. I know this isn't the endgame but it's a great start, especially with the glaring holes this roster has.

You just don't fire a coach on his second season when the team is winning more games with a young roster and QB. Half of our starters are new. Many of which are learning a new system.

I have not called for his firing..

I'm trying to figure out how we lost control of our season with a all world ass showing with everything on the line..

I am in the blow it up camp. That includes Philbin because I do believe he is slow to deal with glaring problems or to make staffing changes that are necessary without said coach having his unit completely screw the pooch.

We got something going offensively, but we need to evolve from Sherman....especially Ryan. He can't go through life limited by one OC's vision of him.

Our best defensive players are over 30 with questionable youth (even Vernon due to his run blocking and his 7 sacks coming in 4 games...blip?). Bloated overpaid piss poor LB's and Coyles questionable schemes. So blow up that defense from the HC coach down. Drastic.....yes. But I don't see a consistent playoff team with these coaches.

Everyone knows the bill front line is badass beastly..everyone knows our oline sucks ass.

Runs up the middle between the a gaps..stationary pocket..one or the other, no misdirection, no deception, nothing outside the tackles, no moving pocket, no bootlegs, no Ryan finding a lane and running..no read option..

Should we have done a better job predicted what was gonna happen and game planned accordingly.?

"djphinfan wrote:

Everyone knows the bill front line is badass beastly..everyone knows our oline sucks ass.

Runs up the middle between the a gaps..stationary pocket..one or the other, no misdirection, no deception, nothing outside the tackles, no moving pocket, no bootlegs, no Ryan finding a lane and running..no read option..

Should we have done a better job predicted what was gonna happen and game planned accordingly.?

And that's on the coaches. Combine with our drafting/FA pickups.......BLOW IT UP!

this is the most ill-conceived, ridiculous thread...
a veiled attack on Ireland & a totally negative, worthless piece that does nothing to brighten Christmas or improve the franchise or forum.

by the way, Merry Christmas to everyone & the very best in the coming New Year!

"djphinfan wrote:

once again, your minimilizing what I'm talking about..it's not about a speech..

My debate in this thread is that some of the losses we've had were not because a lack of talent.

You mentioned inspiration or motivation. What inspiration should a coach bring that would have changed some of these losses? It's not about that. It's about being out coached in close games, which has nothing to do with motivating players. Putting players in a position to win, with the correct call, or empowering them to make a play, rather than playing not to lose has been the difference in the close losses this year.

I feel like guys think there is a Knute Rockney speech given at the start and half of a game and it will turn things around. It's not that much different than life. Identify the issue, assess the cause, come up with a plan to fix it.

"GreysonWinfield wrote:

You mentioned inspiration or motivation. What inspiration should a coach bring that would have changed some of these losses? It's not about that. It's about being out coached in close games, which has nothing to do with motivating players. Putting players in a position to win, with the correct call, or empowering them to make a play, rather than playing not to lose has been the difference in the close losses this year.

I feel like guys think there is a Knute Rockney speech given at the start and half of a game and it will turn things around. It's not that much different than life. Identify the issue, assess the cause, come up with a plan to fix it.

I'm curious. When you have a bunch of players that cannot win one on one match ups, exactly how are you going to put them in a position to win?

You can't fix a lack of talent during the season.

"GreysonWinfield wrote:

You mentioned inspiration or motivation. What inspiration should a coach bring that would have changed some of these losses? It's not about that. It's about being out coached in close games, which has nothing to do with motivating players. Putting players in a position to win, with the correct call, or empowering them to make a play, rather than playing not to lose has been the difference in the close losses this year.

I feel like guys think there is a Knute Rockney speech given at the start and half of a game and it will turn things around. It's not that much different than life. Identify the issue, assess the cause, come up with a plan to fix it.

However you want to quantify it I don't care, but when you lose to the bills when you have your playoff lives on the line, in the fashion they did, after losing to them at your own house, tells me something was wrong with the mindset of the team..the mindset of the team, the anger and sense of urgency they go into a game with, is the responsibility of the head coach finding ways to push his team to get to the right mindset..

"djphinfan wrote:

I have not called for his firing..

I'm trying to figure out how we lost control of our season with a all world ass showing with everything on the line..

While this last lost stunk, I think it's important to keep some date relevancy.

The worst loss this year was at home against the Bills. That loss just can never happen. Just can't happen.

We never score on our opening drives. Our offense is most productive when we're running hurry up without the help of Sherman.

My main quips are offensively, although, I'm not opposed to improvements defensively. The issues their are more personnel IMO (Ireland).

I also think Philbin's management at the end of halves is a little less than to be desired too. He's made two vad decisions to allow Sturgis to kick FG's that were brutal too.

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"Aquafin wrote:

anybody that votes nobody cant be serious about winning . the denial of some fans is beyond insanity good coaches don't pull the jaws of defeat out of the jaws of victory .

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Neither. I wouldn't fire staff after a Super Bowl win.

Do you seriously beieve this team is primed for a Superbowl run?? I'll be very surprised if they even make the playoffs.

"KB21 wrote:

I'm curious. When you have a bunch of players that cannot win one on one match ups, exactly how are you going to put them in a position to win?

You can't fix a lack of talent during the season.

You mean the same team that beat the Pats? It's called ****ty prep and adjustment by the coaching staff. Which team had more talent, the Pats or Bills?

LOL advanced analytics.....please elaborate

Probably a genius to

Is so high functioning that he is an introvert and doesn't know the meaning of little words like "swagger"

"KB21 wrote:

I think his potential as a head coach is unlimited because of the fact that he is into advanced analytics and goes against traditional NFL thought on a lot of things. Would really like to see him paired with a GM that also uses advanced analytics.

"GreysonWinfield wrote:

You mean the same team that beat the Pats? It's called ****ty prep and adjustment by the coaching staff. Which team had more talent, the Pats or Bills?

The Jets beat the Saints. Does that mean the Jets are a really talented team or did they just happen to be the blind squirrel that found a nut on that Sunday?

We can continue to cycle through coach after coach after coach, but until the talent on the field improves, it won't make a damn bit of difference.

"2socks wrote:

LOL advanced analytics.....please elaborate

Probably a genius to

Is so high functioning that he is an introvert and doesn't know the meaning of little words like "swagger"

Him looking up the word was an obvious joke that flew over your head.

"djphinfan wrote:

However you want to quantify it I don't care, but when you lose to the bills when you have your playoff lives on the line, in the fashion they did, after losing to them at your own house, tells me something was wrong with the mindset of the team..the mindset of the team, the anger and sense of urgency they go into a game with, is the responsibility of the head coach finding ways to push his team to get to the right mindset..

Clearly the offensive play calling was for **** last week. Maybe RT & Wallace should have drawn a few plays up in the dirt.

"Anonymous wrote:

I believe Harbaugh uses advanced analytics, as well. IIRC, they have an entire department for it.

Yes. Paraag Marathe is the 49ers advanced anyltics guy, and they have been using it since 2001.

"KB21 wrote:

The Jets beat the Saints. Does that mean the Jets are a really talented team or did they just happen to be the blind squirrel that found a nut on that Sunday?

We can continue to cycle through coach after coach after coach, but until the talent on the field improves, it won't make a damn bit of difference.

We aren't discussing the Jets so I won't even reply to that. The talent on this team was good enough to beat the Bills last week, the coaching wasn't. Am I saying the talent on this team is great? No. But it's like round hole, square peg some games and the coaches won't adjust.

LOL at the idea that a game speech or swagger every won a single game for any team.

"GreysonWinfield wrote:

Clearly the offensive play calling was for **** last week. Maybe RT & Wallace should have drawn a few plays up in the dirt.

yes I agree..the play calling on offense did not use it's weapons to the best of their abilities..

"GreysonWinfield wrote:

We aren't discussing the Jets so I won't even reply to that. The talent on this team was good enough to beat the Bills last week, the coaching wasn't. Am I saying the talent on this team is great? No. But it's like round hole, square peg some games and the coaches won't adjust.

Where was the talent good enough to beat the Bills? The Bills have the best front 7 in football right now, or one of the top front 7s in football. We have the worst offensive line in football. This game was lost before we ever set a foot on the field. This team was never going to be able to block that front 7 well enough to win. In two games against the Bills this year, Ryan Tannehill has been under pressure on 33 of 73 total drop backs. With the lack of talent Miami has up front, they were never going to be able to block a front line of Kyle Williams, Marcel Dareus, and Mario Williams at all, no matter how much they moved the pocket, changed up the blocking schemes or attempted to run the ball.

"rdhstlr23 wrote:

While this last lost stunk, I think it's important to keep some date relevancy.

The worst loss this year was at home against the Bills. That loss just can never happen. Just can't happen.

We never score on our opening drives. Our offense is most productive when we're running hurry up without the help of Sherman.

My main quips are offensively, although, I'm not opposed to improvements defensively. The issues their are more personnel IMO (Ireland).

I also think Philbin's management at the end of halves is a little less than to be desired too. He's made two vad decisions to allow Sturgis to kick FG's that were brutal too.

I think their both very bad losses, what I'm trying to figure out is it a talent issue or something else.

The fact that Sherman and Philbin did not think it would be wise to move Ryan around, to demand and coach him to accept that pressure was going to be in his face, to not use all his strengths in the gameplan, to coach him up so much to stay in the pocket the guy has just completely abandoned that part of the game, to not use his unique ability to go left or right and throw, it's very puzzling to me..

Did you know last year when we beat the bills, Ryan ran the read option 10 times for over a hundred yards.

"KB21 wrote:

Where was the talent good enough to beat the Bills? The Bills have the best front 7 in football right now, or one of the top front 7s in football. We have the worst offensive line in football. This game was lost before we ever set a foot on the field. This team was never going to be able to block that front 7 well enough to win. In two games against the Bills this year, Ryan Tannehill has been under pressure on 33 of 73 total drop backs. With the lack of talent Miami has up front, they were never going to be able to block a front line of Kyle Williams, Marcel Dareus, and Mario Williams at all, no matter how much they moved the pocket, changed up the blocking schemes or attempted to run the ball.

it's a good point, and I have mentioned that maybe they knew they couldn't matchup after the first series and that sent the shock wave thru the team, I can see that happening, but why have the bills won 5 games then? Why did we give up 200 yards rushing with our front 7? Is there not alternatives to cover up the weakness to the oline..

"djphinfan wrote:

it's a good point, and I have mentioned that maybe they knew they couldn't matchup after the first series and that sent the shock wave thru the team, I can see that happening, but why have the bills won 5 games then? Why did we give up 200 yards rushing with our front 7? Is there not alternatives to cover up the weakness to the oline..

A weakness up front is as hard to cover for as a weakness at quarterback.

The reason Buffalo only has 6 wins is inconsistency at quarterback, and other teams simply match up better against their front than we do.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

The Super Bowl comment was tongue in cheek because I know exactly what the OP's intent is and I know it would really piss him off if this group won it all.

And why would it surprise you if the Dolphins make they playoffs? They are the heavy, heavy favorites to win the six seed. They are at around 58% to get it and the next closest is Baltimore at 18%.

I think most here would be surprised based on this teams history and last weeks showing.
Throw in the fact that we still need help, along with this Jets team being better, then the one we faced a few weeks ago.