if Cam is fired, opinions on possible HC targets.

After Jimmy Johnson just sort of being here before finally retiring, I cannot see Wayne doing that again. I think he would rather try and lure Pete Carroll out of college ball again before that, but any big name guy would be crazy to take this job at the moment. Older guys won´t be able to put in the years it will take to put together a contender. If they want to be play a GM or advisor role, fine )and I´ve always admired Parcells drafts), but I can´t see them doing every sideline and press conference.

In other words, younger is better, preferably with a guy who hasn´t won anything and will be driven to try. Cowher is good, but I also question his committment. I say go crazy and get Jason Garrett or Mike Singletary, boom or bust types. The safest bet, if it´s available, will be John Fox though.

Jason Garrett, Mike Singletary, Leslie Frazier, New Englands OC and maybe Charlie Weis. Charlie weis is a long shot because he has sucked this year at ND and i would probably like a coach who is currently in the NFL. In Order I would probably try to nab Garrett, Frazier, Singletary or NE Offensive Coordinator....

I'd be leery of Cowher, seems like a burnout case to me. Schottenheimer would be my first choice. He is a proven "turn around" artist and might be just the respected authority that this team needs.

If we're looking at assistants (which I'm not against despite our Cam experience) Garrett is an obvious candidate. Another guy who intrigues me is Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo. Worked for Parcells in Dallas I believe and has the giants D playing extremely well despite some injuries. Has resuscitated Madison's career.

Garrett, while he may be good as an offensive coordinator he was here for years and the organization did not think highly enough of him to keep him already!

Cam can not come back, the players do not like him won't play for him and it shows.. Even Dave had a better record than this clown. I honestly think a combo of Bill Cowher as Head Coach and Let Bill be the Defensive Coordinator would work. Let Bill bring in some guys to groom as the New Head coach in 3-4 years when cower retires for good.

Wayne can play them both and having that combo will provide us with great drafts, good coaching, some attitude and honestly some respect and the possibility of 2 years to contend.

If we let Cam and Randy draft for us this year when we have the best draft positions and number of drafts they will ruin it. This is our ONE chance to have a great draft, an with new coaches, GM we can bring in some decent Free-Agents.. Do you think people will be banging down the doors to play for Cam and the 0-16 Dolphins? If they do we will have to OVERPAY big time..

I have a sinking feeling that if Cam is fired we will all be REALLY pissed as Dom Capers will probably be the replacement. If this happens I hope the entire fanbase revolts and storms the Dolphins headquarters hunting for Wayne's HEAD!

not another rookie HC coach please !

just fire every front office member, bring scott pioli as president and mike singletary as a head coach.

"schmolioot wrote:

If we're looking at assistants (which I'm not against despite our Cam experience) Garrett is an obvious candidate. Another guy who intrigues me is Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo. Worked for Parcells in Dallas I believe and has the giants D playing extremely well despite some injuries. Has resuscitated Madison's career.

That's a very intriguing name. Almost every summer I spend a few weeks at Saratoga and attend Giants camp in Albany. Last summer they screwed up and gave me a VIP pass when I happened to walk in through the wrong gate. That allowed me to sit front and center during two practice sessions, in front of the defense.

I was extremely impressed with the DC. He was barking out strategies and advice, extremely aggressive and enthusiastic with sensible recommendations. When they finally had an offense vs. defense scrimmage he was more in charge and involved than Coughlin. He was challenging his defense by setting up down and distance scenarios and telling them how vital it was to understand how to vary schemes and coverage based on situation. I finally asked two guys next to me who he was and they gave me the name Steve Spagnuolo. They smiled when they said it, like he was a new secret weapon.

It's only one year but I expected the Giants D to be awful and it's been anything but that. YPPA defensively isn't great at 6.9 but he's dealt with some personnel issues including an old Madison and a rookie in Ross. The number of sacks is up dramatically from last season, always a good indication.

"Phins28 wrote:

just fire every front office member, bring scott pioli as president and mike singletary as a head coach.

Pioli would be great, but I am sure he would choose the HC

Awsi,
Very cool story. Every time I see the Giants play I am impressed with Spagnuolo on the sidelines. A coach who is very into the game and seems to have a good rapport with his players. What I like most is the way that "D" has continued to improve. As I'm sure you remember they were atroscious the first two games but got it turned around. That's what you want to see, continued improvement.

For you people considering Schottenheimer, stop and consider that he'd be a candidate for the position that his old offensive coordinator just got fired from. Schottenheimer loves Cameron, and I don't think Schotty would take the job that Cam just got dumped from, simply out of respect for Cam, a concept sorely lacking here lately.

Desides,
I won't speak for others but I have no ill will towards Cam and I don't relish when someone loses their job. In fact, I liked Cam when he was hired and thought he was the best of the finalists (which was an uninspiring bunch, if you recall). However, I stand by my opinion that Cam is not a good coach and that this organization would be better off severing ties right now than to wait 3 years only to confirm what is apparent now.

On Schotty, I would only say that there are only 32 of these jobs in the world and if this is the one that MArty gets offered and he wants to coach, he will take it.

"schmolioot wrote:

Awsi,
Very cool story. Every time I see the Giants play I am impressed with Spagnuolo on the sidelines. A coach who is very into the game and seems to have a good rapport with his players. What I like most is the way that "D" has continued to improve. As I'm sure you remember they were atroscious the first two games but got it turned around. That's what you want to see, continued improvement.

He definitely has an excellent rapport with the players. That's what impressed me immediately. He wasn't screaming at them in a stressful atmosphere a la Saban. It was instructional with a positive bent.

Plus, and this is what I loved, he had a very confident almost arrogant approach to the "our guys vs. their guys" aspect of the controlled scrimmage. He would bark out things like, "3rd and 8. No way they make 8 yards if we execute. What is it now, 5 straight failures on 3rd down?"

So, should we start the "Sapgnuolo for Head Coach" bandwagon Awsi? lol

"Phins28 wrote:

just fire every front office member, bring scott pioli as president and mike singletary as a head coach.

Ya know that's not crazy. Pioli can be had for a badoodle of money. Wayne would need to pony up though. Man that would be a coup!!!!!!

"schmolioot wrote:

So, should we start the "Sapgnuolo for Head Coach" bandwagon Awsi? lol

I don't pretend to know what the decision will be regarding Cam. Like you, he was my top choice among the finalists last year, but the lot was uninspiring at best. You stole my word.

Uninspiring can also describe Cam on the sidelines. I'd hate to have to guess the score simply based on camera shots of his expression, or lack thereof.

The area would be captivated and intrigued by Spagnuola, once they got to know him, and over the shock of another unknown assistant being elevated.

Obviously it's a huge longshot but when I saw your mention of him it felt like watching Jeopardy. I thought, "hey, I know something about that guy!" :lol:

Ha, we're on the same level Awsi. When it was between Cam, Chan Gailey and Jim Mora, Jr. I was all for Cam.

You know more about Spagnulo than me. I just liked what I saw while watching the g-men from time to time. Thanks for the additional insight

What about Steve Mariucci?

He's not horrible but his Detroit experience leaves a real bad taste.

"Swampfox wrote:

What about Steve Mariucci?

He's the guy I wanted for the Canes job last year. IMO, he's got Pete Carroll potential as a college coach but he's been too stubborn to realize that. An upbeat personable guy like that in his early 50s would be a recruiting terror and run a fun program that would virtually recruit itself, particularly if he had any type of early success.

Rumors he might be in line for the UCLA job.

That would be a great spot for Mooch with his Cali roots. UCLA is a sleeping giant of a program.

"fastball83 wrote:

I mean if Cam is fired, and it's not sure thing for now, 3 HC target are possible IMO.

1/ parcells :

2/ Marty schot :

3/ cowher

I've got one question. Who will be their quarterback? Cause if you don't know that, you are probably going to want 1,2, or 3 fired next year. Who then?

Why are we considering firing Cameron?

"Whitedolphin54 wrote:

Why are we considering firing Cameron?

For the same reason we wanted Dave Wannstedt gone.

For the same reason the sabre rattlers wanted Nick Saban gone.

We don't have a quarterback. :thumbup:

Mike Shanahan