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Idea to bring back PoFo

Discussion in 'Site Suggestions and Questions' started by Fin D, Nov 6, 2019.

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  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Charge a yearly subscription for it, no real moderation.
    1. Anything that spills into regular site, those posters are banned form PoFo no refund.
    2. No posting of gross or sexually explicit images or posters are banned form PoFo no refund.

    #1, can be watched in regular threads that are already moderated.
    #2, can be a "report button" function.

    Extra money for the site, no extra work for mods, posters get what they want. Win, win, win.
     
  2. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    3. Fin D is locked out. He can read but not respond.

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  3. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I'm not opposed, but I know that many are.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I know, but I think this approach is different. It wouldn't be anymore headache for you guys at all and it might bring in a little more revenue.
     
  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Great.

    Just what we need, another platform where people can accuse everyone who disagrees with them of being RACIST!!

    I vote No, with a hard LOL.
     
  6. TheOne

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    It's pretty simple if you don't want to be accused of racism don't be a racist.
     
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  7. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    LOL, I think you just answered the question on if this will ever come to fruition. :up:
     
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  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Is this your new shtick, going to every thread you can and cry about people being called racist?

    Wait....are you feeling....oppressed?
     
  9. Fin-O

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    Simply giving an example of why your proposal would likely fail.

    It may work if we had a forum of middle ground seekers with open minds on each topic who have the capability to praise when something good happens politically, and criticize when something bad happens. I'm sure that is even the majority.

    Issue is, you then will have the extremists flooding the forum only concerned about the letter's 'D' or 'R'.

    The handful of radicals from BOTH struggle with objectivity. Those type of posters would make it fail.

    I remember because I would hop on occasionally when the original forum existed.....it worked well for making me laugh, however it was RIDICULOUS overall. (Hence why it was 86'd)

    No one is changing your mind politically, so if ppl want to argue, give Twitter a shot. It's a breeding ground for extremists.
     
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  10. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Just thought I'd point out that a thread about opening a PoFo has already, in less than 10 posts, started to descend into personal attacks and insults. So there's that.

    Second, on the actual idea itself, you said no moderation but then mentioned a report button. It's mods and admins who monitor reports, and where one shows up they would need to check the report and then act. For extreme examples of images etc. that would be quick, but it's still time for mods and others to do that, and if it gets hit a lot, and for other things too, those reports would still have to be checked.

    Lastly, what you're essentially asking for is the ability to pay to access a forum that runs counter to the normal forum rules. In order to attract people it would have to be open for people to read. That would affect the public image of the forums. It would be up to the owners/admins to decide if they want that. I would imagine it would be an ugly place to be though.
     
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  11. Fin D

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    I rescind this idea.

    Its clear you guys would never do what is necessary to keep it going. Case in point ^, you guys still just flat out refuse to hold people responsible for the things they do.

    No one was insulting anyone or doing anything wrong, until Fin-O jumped in and made outrageous and unfounded claims that had nothing to do with anything. Instead of holding him responsible, you blame an idea. It is par for the course. I mean this thread has literally been around for awhile with no issue....until he saw it wrecked it.
     
  12. Fin-O

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    Hey man, I just gave an opinion based on history. Because you didn’t like my opinion you are blaming me for wrecking a thread.

    It’s not cool nor fair and ridiculous, for anyone to call someone on a forum a racist when they don’t know them from Adam.

    In fact it so egregious that that in of itself should be against TOS as it is a horrible thing to say to and about someone with no merit.

    Doing that so freely and normalizing it in this potential new forum would be ridiculous. Don’t make it personal, someone disagrees with you me or anyone else?? That’s actually okay to do. No need for baseless banter.
     
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  13. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I don't have the skills or means to do it, but perhaps the best solution would be for someone from this board to create a new one elsewhere, for topics that are off limits here. Then people who a regulars here could join that board, sign up with the same username so they all know one another, and talk about whatever floats their boat, politics or otherwise.
     
  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    No one cares. Your crying is stupid and baseless.
     
  15. Fin-O

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    ANOTHER great example of why this suggestion never had a shot. GL man!!
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Blocking him was the best thing I did for my time on this site. He just wants to get a rise out of people
     
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  17. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    I'm sorry but no. I'm not defending or ignoring Fin-O's posts, or anyone else's, I'm pointing out that this sort of thing is inevitable, and a PoFo generates this sort of thing more rapidly and more passionately than any other type of forum. The nature of the site is such that you can't control who will post and who won't and what they will say. Thus moderation becomes necessary. You're saying that moderation won't be necessary, and yet you're asking for moderation of this thread. "Never do what is necessary"... what would be necessary in a thread where there is no moderation? Or are you thinking of something else?

    You also are accusing me of failing to do my job here, which I do voluntarily, and yet you fail to respond to me engaging with your idea, to defend it and/or provide solutions. Nor do you attempt to evade Fin-O's posts, or report them, but escalate them. How hard, exactly, do you want us to moderate things? Shall I run around every forum with a ban hammer ejecting folks and deleting posts?

    I really have better things to do than spend time here being insulted and accused, and therein lies the point. A good number of people here simply lack the self-control and discipline and wisdom to engage in moderate discussion, and a PoFo deals with issues of much more profound nature than the others. It would, inevitably, deteriorate into insults, and there would be people happy to pay for that. So, as I said, it's up to the higher-ups to decide whether they would want a public area of that nature on the forums.

    Now, in the spirit of the thread, I'm going to ask all the users here to self-moderate, go back over the few posts here and where you've posted anything directed at a user rather than the thread or idea, please delete it. If you've made use of expletives delete or edit them.
    @Fin-O
    @Fin D
    @TheOne

    Thank you.
     
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  18. Fin D

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    You are ignoring it. Instead of lecturing him, you're lecturing everyone.

    He purposely came into this thread to derail it. He brought up stuff unrelated and purposely inflammatory for no reason other than to cause trouble. He also necroed the thread to do it. You watched him walk over, without provocation, and throw water in someone's face, then gave a lecture to everyone in the restaurant instead of punishing him. This isn't unique to you. It is how moderation always seems to work here across the board and it is wrong. Mods should know by now there are certain hot button topics and stuff that carry with them serious emotions.

    I have evaded his posts in the past. They keep happening without action from the mods, which is my point. He is allowed to taunt, enflame, insult, etc. whoever he wants as much as he wants and nothing is ever done. He's not the only one.

    I have reported his posts in the past. They keep happening without action from the mods, which is my point. He is allowed to taunt, enflame, insult, etc. whoever he wants as much as he wants and nothing is ever done. He's not the only one.

    I have even changed how I post and argue here, but this keeps happening without action from the mods, which is my point. He is allowed to taunt, enflame, insult, etc. whoever he wants as much as he wants and nothing is ever done. He's not the only one.

    I will NOT put him on ignore, because he and others, will insult me and bring my name into stuff that I'm not a part of and again, no action from the mods.

    This is why people lack the self control you speak of, as they have no incentive to change because they never suffer any consequences.

    Hell, I'm more likely to be punished for this then Fin-O will be.

    Also, what did @TheOne even say that needs to be edited?
     
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  19. Fin-O

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    Just stop. Edit your stuff, I’ll edit/delete mine. This other dude who has now accused me and others of being “racist” twice now should just delete his, as again, you shouldn’t be able to make baseless accusations like that. What if I called you a child molester for no reason? Would you ignore that? No, and I didn’t ignore his accusation either.

    No one is being punished, but asked to delete or edit. No one in this thread is a victim. But I digress to my original thoughts on all things political on this site.

    I had a poster who’s posts I like block me because in a PM I told him how ridiculous politics were as a whole (IMO).

    He’s a good poster and took THAT way too hard, it wasn’t disrespectful it was a difference in opinion yet he couldn’t get past it.

    People struggle to coexist as it is, and again....who’s going to have their mind changed on one of these ridiculous topics? I’m going with NO ONE.




    “We’re on to Cleveland”
     
  20. Galant

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    @Fin D
    You're now complaining about the moderation of the entire site, which is a different subject entirely, and this despite posting a thread here that specifically requests a forum with essentially no moderation. This thread, with just one page, has a poster post something that requires moderation, I leave it be, and rather than ignore or it, or carry on engaging with me on other points, allow yourself to get drawn into an argument with him, and then starting criticising the moderation of the site.

    Posts like Fin-O's and worse will come to that forum, people will, just as you have, engage with them, and it will descend into insults. Relationships between members on this forum will sour in the forum in general, and those who pay for the debate forum will not want to pay for it because you can't make a post without people taking it off topic or filling it with direct attacks.

    That's the reality here. You yourself have still failed to talk about the points I've raised. If you can't get past this sort of stuff, how is anyone else supposed to.

    I'm going to recommend this thread gets closed as self-evident proof that people on here can't keep it civil and a PoFo will only sour the relationship between members on the Dolphins football forum.

    Everyone on here should seriously give some thought to how you contributed to a derailed thread, and if you're seriously asking for mods in general to get more severe, I'm not sure any of you will like it. Sort your language out. Learn to stay on topic. Stop getting personal. Grow up.
     
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  21. Fin D

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    First of all, I literally said I rescind the idea. Not because it wouldn’t work, but because the mods clearly don’t understand it.

    secondly, the issues happening in this thread, wouldn’t have been a problem in there. The problem here isn’t that Fin-O tried to derail the thread. The problem is that in this forum where the rules would differ than in the hypothetical pofo, a mod decided to lecture everyone instead of the person that caused the problem. Not sure why this is confusing.

    Thirdly, I’m not calling for stricter modding. I’m asking for you guys to hold people responsible for then purposely cause trouble like Fin-O did on this thread. Not sure why that is confusing as well.

    lastly, none of this would be an issue in the idea I have but have since rescinded, because in there Fin-O, can say whatever the hell he wants and derail whatever he wants and people can respond however they want.

    but again, I don’t care anymore. Everything I’m saying is falling on deaf ears.
     
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