I wonder if Brandon Marshall and Vontae Davis.....

If there's any confusion, it's clearly on your behalf. Johnny Knox was not likely to play in 2012. The Bears knew this in during OTAs.

Please do some research:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8294ab54/article/chicago-bears-johnny-knoxs-season-in-doubt

Nor is it particularly inspiring, especially giving the context and how he can't actually seem to effect a release without incurring a penalty.

They're not very good players, but it isn't like you could utilize them to their abilities with Marshall there either. Hartline and Bess here are huge examples.

 

That's not true, as I previously demonstrated a while back.

 

I don't get what's your point with Knox. Did they, or did they not lose his production for 2012? You cited that their offense didn't produce much differently in 2012 with Brandon, than in 2011 without him. Losing Knox is a big part of it, even though they did increase their Pass TD by 15%, meanwhile losing their top two receivers from the year before (I use "top" very loosely when describing Roy Williams).

 

Well an abstract concept (i.e., intelligence) can't possibly have a mean or a median, since it's not numerical. You have to transform that into something quantitative for measures of central tendency to be relevant at all.

The mean is determined by the sample, not by rigging the test to have people score at a certain spot.

It's a theoretical mean for the population. Theoretically you could have enough decimal places behind 100 to find the point at which 50% of the population would indeed be below the mean, and 50% would be above. That would also be the median in this particular case.

 

It seems to me he is playing some sort of semantics game with you. Knox got hurt in 2011, which ultimately caused him to miss the 2012 season. He's making a big deal of your wording making it sound like Knox got hurt in 2012.
The bottom line though, and you are totally correct about it, had there been a healthy Knox in the lineup in 2012, combined with Marshall, their offense would have been more productive. Marshall was basically their entire receiving corps in 2012. To have him catch 118 and their 2nd leading wide receiver catch 29 is the most imbalanced production I can recall.

 

So you agree he had a better 2012 than any Miami CB. Thank you.

 

Fair enough, but if you had expressed that opinion at the time Miami traded for him, you would have been in the decided minority. By far, most people who posted their sentiments here were positively thrilled we got him.

 

From watching hard knocks it looked like Vontae was moved because the coaches did not like his lack of awareness....and Jeff simply carried out their wish to move him. Its possible Vontae did not have some of the intangibles needed for the D and he showed up to camp completely out of shape..not acceptable imo.

 

No, that was basically you running around with the phrase "usage", waiving around some dubious math, and insisting that everyone does it(except for in the cases of the examples you gave).

 

The smart thing to have done would have been have either of those players, or another similar, in the bag before trading Marshall.

 

I give you points for trying but that well thought out and very likely scenario won't fly with the Anti Ireland brigade.

 

Ah...no. That was you denying that 2+2= 4, and everybody except 1 Ireland lover agreeing with me. Just because you don't like Brandon Marshall, is not a good enough reason to deny basic statistical analysis.

 

You might as well be citing a free agent they lost the year before. Knox wasn't going to play. He's more likely to never be back, then it is for him to be a meaningful asset. It's pointless to bring him up at this point.

 

and math can't be dubious when it is verifiable by anybody with a calculator.

 

No, it's not. It was pretty much completely useless in the context, much less addressing its accuracy and prevelance(Which again, you failed completely at). Then you did that thing where you insisted how well you did with the election too which was pretty funny.

But hey...ckparrothead gave you a "fist bump" on www.thephins.com. That's at least worth something, right?

 

I don't know if people are arguing if vontae should of got traded or not I was just jumping at the people who think sean smith is better because they have lost there damn mind

 

No, but the fact that I get paid to analyze Sports Statistics and you don't is. Even better yet, the fact that you don't understand the most basic of statistical analysis while arguing them is.

and I did very well with the election. Anybody with a working calculator would have done the same. That wasn't such a feat.

 

Keep in mind Cutler missed games this year.

 

When was the last time a team finished 10-6, missed the playoffs by a FG, and the coach got fired?

 

Do you mean 2011 or 2012?

 

Was it Marshall's fault that they were overly reliant on him? Was it his fault their #2 WRs were Bennett or Hester? Should he have went to Cutler and Tice and suggested they spread the ball around more?

 

So Marshall on the field doesn't make Bennent and Hester better?

 

He makes everybody better. Great players usually do that.

Yesterday, He sprung Bennett for his long touchdown on a great block.

 

Both years, he missed 1 game this year.

 

Good thing, because if it wasn't for that one play Bennett would have had a much worse season than without Marshall instead of a little worse season without Marshall.

He doesn't make the other players better.

 

He missed 6 in 2011. Should have more than 2 touchdowns than the previous year, IMO.

 

I haven't run the numbers for this Chicago team, but in Denver, and Miami that was absolutely the case.

I could find only one player that improved with Marshall gone. Davone Bess.

 

Hartline didn't have a better season?

 

Sounds like you are envious that CK didn't fist pump you.

 

It wasn't better in Miami.

 

Efficiency wise..as of 3 weeks ago (when I ran the numbers) ...No.

 

Do great players usually bounce from team to team while still in their prime?

FYI Marshall has played for four coaches and all four have been fired. I dunno what means just putting it out there.

 

He missed one full game in '12. He missed 6 in '11.

 

It should make sure they always get single coverage anyway. Still it's not Marshall's fault that Cutler did not choose to throw more to them.

 

If CK fist bumps me I will cyber smack him in his grill.

 

You don't know what that means, because it means nothing and yes..great players do move from team to team at times. Production is Production.

 

I was very proud of the work you did on the election. You did well for you.
(After you threw out basically most of what you'd been saying and then adopted the general wisdom despite talking a big game)

You've also advocated being an expert in so very many things at this point. I'm not sure how you have the time, to be honest.

 

Even if uses a lot of lube?

 

No, it's not Marshall's fault. However, he's never going to be happy with a lessened workload.

He's essentially a huge white elephant.

 

General Wisdom? I was the general wisdom for a year.

and if you would like I will list what I am an expert on:

1. Draft Design
2. Structural Engineering and Design concepts.
3. Autocad / General Construction Concepts
4. Statistical analysis
5. Sports Media Research

To a lesser extent:

1. Election canvasing
2. Demographic analysis
3. Polling