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I Love Me Some Chris Grier

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hazed819, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

    Nov 26, 2007
    Austin TX
    At the very least, we can focus on one scapegoat now. :up:
  2. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

    Jan 2, 2016
    I am not particularly in love with the standard list flying around. I feel like there is a bit of group think amongst losing organizations going on here. Just kinda look at the list of guys that we have interviewed.

    Bieniemy and Fangio - These names make the most sense. Bieniemy has one of the most explosive offenses we've ever seen, worked under Andy Reid, and quite possibly groomed a first year starter into MVP. I couldn't fault anyone for wanting to interview him.

    Likewise Fangio has had a lifetime of success on the defensive front. Another solid interview.

    Kris Richard - He seems to be a young up and comer. Perhaps a little early for a head coaching vacancy, but he is an interesting candidate. He has played in organizations that do it right, and does have a deep understanding of defensive backs (probably our strongest position). Love the fact that we are interviewing him, but there are a litany of concerns.

    Munchak and Flores - For the life of me, I don't get these. I seriously wonder if teams are looking at these guys because other teams are looking at them. Perhaps they have their own insecurities and are worried that they are missing something. Munchak had a very forgettable tenure in Tennessee. Of all the guys that have been fired recently, I never really thought that he got a raw deal or if under different circumstances, he may have been successful.

    Flores make me wonder if teams are ever going to learn. Patriots coordinators have awful track records as head coaches. Look at his former boss, Matt Patricia. Rumors were floating around that he could've been one and done. The Patriots have a less than impressive defense. Like Rizzi, I feel like being an intense, high energy guy is not enough.

    As far as outside the box candidates go, I would like to see first and foremost, a home run shot. Going after a guy that is for all intents and purposes is not available. Look at what the Packers are doing with Pat Fitzgerald. Odds are, they probably wouldn't be able to land him, but I love the fact that they are trying. I think the college ranks are particularly rich at coaching options. Lincoln Riley got tons of love, but there are a lot of really, really good options.

    Here are a list of guys that I would at least attempt to interview -
    Urban Meyer, James Franklin, David Shaw, Gary Patterson

    Fallen angels - I think guys that have successful stints as head coaches could instantly bring stability and respectability to our team. I would love to be confident that the Dolphins would put together a solid staff. Sure there are a lot of mediocre names, but I also know that when these guys have talent around them, they win.

    Mike Shannahan, Jeff Fisher, Rex Ryan, Marvin Lewis

    Up and comers - Perhaps a little early, but may be worth a listen.
    Ed Ogeron, Matt Rhule, Kliff Kingsbury

    Wait and see if they get fired -
    Jay Gruden

    Let me be absolutely clear. I am NOT SAYING THAT I WOULD HIRE ALL OF THESE GUYS. However, I would gladly interview all of these guys. I get it. Some of these guys probably would not even take our phone calls, but I do think that some would.

    Finally, there is a rumor whirling around that Dennis Allen was never really a serious candidate, but we are doing a recognizance mission on Teddy Bridgewater. That being said, I would love to hear what the fallen angels think of our roster. When dealing with people, it is easy to get attached, become biased based on personal relationships, or fail to see diminishing skillsets. I think there is a real benefit in bringing in an independent third party. These eyes have no preconceived ideas, and will be far more likely to evaluate them on what they have done for us lately. Additionally, I would really like to know why these guys feel that they fell from grace (perhaps it may not have been entirely his fault) and what they learned from their failures. I really think that interviewing at least one fallen angel would be a really smart idea for a lot of reasons.
  3. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2015
    Going to be 100% honest...I hate when people say that coaches from tree x or y don't succeed or are great.

    It literally means nothing. Either a guy is adept as a HC or he isn't. There is nothing magic in the Reid tree or poison in the Patriots coaches.

    Everyone needs to be assessed as an INDIVIDUAL not on past people who have nothing to do with them.

    If you told me I had no chance to succeed because my mentor, who was a great success can't produce other winners...we would be fighting.
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  4. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

    Jan 2, 2016
    I do think that certain coaches prepare their assistants better than others, and because of that, you can put a premium on certain guys. You cannot hone in on one attribute, but instead, you have to consider all things. I do think that this includes pedigree.

    Think of it this way. Imagine there are two high schools in an area. One is a really strong one while another is a much weaker school. On the whole, the stronger school does a much better job at preparing their kids for college, but that does not preclude individual students from the weaker school from being prepared.

    Now if I told you that the college valedictorian came from either the weaker school or the stronger school, and I told you to guess which one produced the valedictorian, it would be in your best interests to pick the stronger school because they produces more successful students by volume even though it is entirely possible that the weaker school did produce the valedictorian.

    The same should at least be considered for coaching trees. Certain coaches produce large quantities of strong head coaches while others produce much fewer. If you had to guess where a good head coach is coming from, I would guess the stronger one.
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  5. Drizzy

    Drizzy Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Nov 18, 2017
    And yet Grier is the only one who kept his job...they should’ve all been fired.
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 20, 2007
    Such a great point..

    We didn’t make moves for so many top prospects it’s a joke, now we at least will know after three years who did what
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2019
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  7. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2015
    Well I agree if all other things are equal, it's a factor. I just don't like the idea of writing a guy off because he's from a tree.

    Due to their success I feel like coaches who weren't ready were poached and given keys to cars they werent ready for or in some cases never deserved.
  8. This aged well lol. Absurd this guy was kept, will likely hire another incompetent in Flores, and then draft a 5'9 QB piglet in the 1st to ensure another 3-4 years of ineptitude. Dolphins will be lucky to have 40K people at some games next year.
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