"How Mike Wallace changes Everything"- National Football Post

Brian Hartline will earn every dollar with Wallace on the other side. Im more excited for Hartline than I am Wallace. (although a WR who can actually beat a DB to the endzone SHOULD be fun...)

"CitizenSnips wrote:

Brian Hartline will earn every dollar with Wallace on the other side. Im more excited for Hartline than I am Wallace. (although a WR who can actually beat a DB to the endzone SHOULD be fun...)

Halo effects don't work unless the person generating the halo can actually produce. Wallace being fast is by itself not a big deal; Tannehill has to get the ball to him in order to free up Hartline.

We should at least finally know if Hartline's career efficiency numbers are an illusion.

I've been saying this for a while. His statistical production may never live up to his contract, but I feel his impact will.

"Desides wrote:

Halo effects don't work unless the person generating the halo can actually produce. Wallace being fast is by itself not a big deal; Tannehill has to get the ball to him in order to free up Hartline.

We should at least finally know if Hartline's career efficiency numbers are an illusion.

welll..yea...im obviously assuming that's going to happen. Call me an optimist i guess?

Tannehills long ball needs to improve. I have no doubt he will put in the work to get better.

"Sethdaddy8 wrote:

Tannehills long ball needs to improve. I have no doubt he will put in the work to get better.

Agreed, but it's much harder to overthrow Mike Wallace than it is to overthrow Brian Hartline.

"Sethdaddy8 wrote:

Tannehills long ball needs to improve. I have no doubt he will put in the work to get better.

"sports24/7 wrote:

Agreed, but it's much harder to overthrow Mike Wallace than it is to overthrow Brian Hartline.

It seemed to be his biggest weakness in college. At the same time, I'm guessing deep ball accuracy is one the hardest parts of being a QB. Maybe part of the problem is that he's only had 19 starts in college and this past year had a pedestrian wr corp whose #1 wr wasn't even around in the preseason. Not making excuses, just spit balling to see if there's plausible reasons that might have solutions.

The argument is reminiscent of Ted Ginn in every way. At least Wallace is a proven WR.

Teams absolutely will double and triple cover Mike Wallace, if they can. They double and triple covered Ted Ginn, even after it was apparent he wasn't a #1 guy.

I'm sure tavon Austin will make it into this thread like every other one...

"Jcouch1021 wrote:

I'm sure tavon Austin will make it into this thread like every other one...

You just let him in!!! Sneaky how you did that. :shifty:

Sounds like common sense to me..

I don't see any inherent signs that T hill is not good at throwing the deep ball, he was rushed by his own inner clock last year, we need to hope he speeds up his Qb functionality and the game in his head slows down..

The kid only played from the pocket reading coverages for two years..he exclusively worked out of a wishbone offense in high school and we all know how his college exp played out..

I'm really hoping the two things I mentioned will improve dramatically, because imo they are the only two things that I'm concerned about.

I don't think Tannehill has any problems throwing deep. Looking at the metrics of his from profootballfocus, you see he actually did fairly well with his highest rating on the routes going to the right over 20 yards. The same with the deep middle. He did however struggle with throws to the deep left. All in this article from phinfever.com, a decent read for sure. As others have said, the balls that grazed Hartline's fingers or Bess just couldn't run under, Wallace will track those down....same with Austin or Patterson too :shifty:

http://www.phinfever.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8708&p=106429

This was interesting.

“It depends on who we employ Maybe we replace Mike Wallace with a guy who has Mike Wallace type speed and the change schematically might be minimal,” Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. “We might replace him with a different animal that has a different skill set that requires a different response.”

Too bad Philbin didn't want him.

"alen1 wrote:

This was interesting.

What do you find interesting in there? I honestly, not trying to be a jerk or something.

I really just saw coach speak and a guy who said "We might replace him with someone similar or totally different"

"slickj101 wrote:

Too bad Philbin didn't want him.

i know that, based on hearsay, Philbin supposedly wanted Jennings. But whether or not that's true doesn't matter. I sincerely doubt Philbin was against having the fastest wr in the game.

"CitizenSnips wrote:

Brian Hartline will earn every dollar with Wallace on the other side. Im more excited for Hartline than I am Wallace. (although a WR who can actually beat a DB to the endzone SHOULD be fun...)

I've thought the same thing - the man who will benefit the most is Mr. Hartline. He will have the pressure off of him "to be the man", and will draw less talented players in coverage who will be all over Wallace. I know Mr. Hartline is not a popular player on this board, but I think by this time next year we'll be touting some pretty hefty number for him - but it all depends on Ireland, and how he fixes that OLine.

"CitizenSnips wrote:

i know that, based on hearsay, Philbin supposedly wanted Jennings. But whether or not that's true doesn't matter. I sincerely doubt Philbin was against having the fastest wr in the game.

Hearsay?? I never heard that...all was speculation by the media based on association...did I miss this?

"pocoloco wrote:

The argument is reminiscent of Ted Ginn in every way. At least Wallace is a proven WR.

In some ways it's the same, but Ginn isn't even close to the deep threat Wallace is. There's more to being a successful deep threat than simply speed and no one does it as well as Wallace. And unlike Ginn, Wallace does other things well.

"CitizenSnips wrote:

i know that, based on hearsay, Philbin supposedly wanted Jennings. But whether or not that's true doesn't matter. I sincerely doubt Philbin was against having the fastest wr in the game.

He was being sarcastic. The notion that Philbin didn't want Wallace was ridiculous once the Dolphins showed interest, and is even more ridiculous now when you hear him talk about Wallace.

"djphinfan wrote:

Sounds like common sense to me..

I don't see any inherent signs that T hill is not good at throwing the deep ball, he was rushed by his own inner clock last year, we need to hope he speeds up his Qb functionality and the game in his head slows down..

The kid only played from the pocket reading coverages for two years..he exclusively worked out of a wishbone offense in high school and we all know how his college exp played out..

I'm really hoping the two things I mentioned will improve dramatically, because imo they are the only two things that I'm concerned about.

Even in high school he didn't play QB all four years, so he's got a lot of learning left to do. He'll get there, I have no doubts about that.

"Alex44 wrote:

What do you find interesting in there? I honestly, not trying to be a jerk or something.

I really just saw coach speak and a guy who said "We might replace him with someone similar or totally different"

He's saying that although Wallace changes the way defenses play, one can find a speedster.