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How Do the Dolphins Use Tua in 2020?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by The Guy, Apr 27, 2020.

  1. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    Assuming there is a season in 2020, I think this is a good question.

    Considering the injury and the manner in which I believe QBs develop optimally in the NFL, I would suggest bringing Tua in when games are out of reach in either direction (ahead or behind) so that he can gain experience when there is no demand on him to perform and help the team win.

    If he appears to adjust well to that approach in terms of the injury, then I would suggest starting him in some late-season games when the team is out of contention for the playoffs, so that he can experience being in command of the team when it can actually win games, but when the playoffs aren't on the line.

    That would be the optimal way for him to experience his first season in my opinion, and I think it fits with where the Dolphins are as a team and where he is with his injury and his emotional development as a pro player.
     
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  2. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Active Member

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    A.) If the team is out of contention for the playoffs not when. It's offseason, the time when everyone can be positive.
    B.) It depends on why the team was down massively. If it's because the O-Line can't block to save their lives then I'd rather use up Fitzmagic or Rosen than sacrifice Tua's future.
     
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  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Unless he is absolutely tearing it up in practice while our other QBs are faltering, then I don't think he should see the field till at least the latter half of the season.

    Putting him in if we are down only makes sense if the line and O have been performing OK. If they have been bad, then why throw a rookie into that mess?

    I would say design some packages for him, but I would be cautious immediately throwing him into only high-pressure stuff without allowing him "normal" gameplay to warm up and get a feel for the speed of things.

    Ultimately, if he sits the whole year on the bench, I won't be mad.
     
  4. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Sit him for season no matter what.The whole future depends on this guy and we need to make sure he 100 percent healthy before he steps on that field.
     
  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    He's not Lamar Jackson there is no reason we should be designing packages for him. He's not going to be running options.

    I'm perfectly fine with sitting him the entire season. I'm not the biggest Fitzpatrick fan but he earned the right to be the starter for this season. of course unless he reverts back to being Ryan Fitzpatrick at the end of the year.

    There is no rush to get Tagavailoa on the field this season especially with a limited off-season.
     
  6. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Hold Clipboard, is #3 on depth chart unless he beats out rosen in camp. I actually see us getting rid of Fitz next year and Tua and Rosen being our #1 #2 going forward. DO not rush him needs a year to learn and let our offensive line grow / gel.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sit and learn...once we’re out of playoff contention, if the strength around the hip is maxed out, then get him some reps.
     
  8. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    with no offseason to get aquatinted with the OL/WR/TE/RB i say sit him, let him learn. Also we have like 7 new OL, i rather the OL learns with Fitz who we know is tough as nails, opposed to breaking in new OL with Tua. Only reason to play Tua is if he is leaps and bounds better than Fitz, or if Fitz gets injured. there isn't really a rush to get him out there, we already know next year is a throw away season again, but if we end up 8-8 or better that's just a bonus.
     
  9. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. Let him sit a year, get 100%, learn the offense, let the OL develop so he doesn’t get hurt again.
     
  10. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Ryan Fitzpatrick is a notorious tease, following up success with regression, so I expect the beginning of this coming season to be a lot like the beginning of last season as far as his performance is concerned. The defense should be better, so the team won't get embarrassed, but I can see Fitz costing us a couple games.
    After about 5-7 games of this, I think they put Tua in, as long as he's healthy.
     
  11. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    there will be a season in 2020... i am positive the NFL is formulating their plan. All the other leagues may have lost their season but the NFL will continue on with their own standards and set of rules.

    I think in July the smoke will clear and a lot of us are going to move forward. So long as people practice what is being preached, we should never see the cases multiply the way it did in March and this month, again.

    As for your topic, i dont expect Tua to wear cleats this season. I can see him in sweats on the sidelines.. with Fitzpatrick and Rosen competing in training camp for 1 and 2.
     
  12. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I agree. Even if there are no fans in the stands, there are hundreds of millions of dollars worth of TV contracts to think of. They'll have the players play to an empty stadium before they cancel the season.
     
  13. FphinFantastic

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    Stick him on IR with option to return. Save a roster spot. Let him heel. We need a vet to help develop a young line and wr core
     
  14. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Hopefully to hold down a crucial section of the bench, in the middle where his future Daddy's can keep an eye on him. Maybe some time following Fitz around like a puppy asking" but why did you do that Uncle Fitzy and how did you know the Safety was going to Blitz Uncle Fitzy and how did you keep getting laid enough thru all those years of marriage to make all those babies man?"

    And maybe some PR stuff, hanging out with the chilluns, signing some autographs. And then he can turn the lights out when he leaves the film room and turn the lights on when he gets to the gym and stand on the sideline with a headset on, not a helmet so he can watch the big boys play for while. Maybe save a little on the laundry bill by keeping his uniform clean.

    Thats it. That's all my expectations are.
     
  15. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    case 1
    He is the clear #1 in pre-season/training camp. We have to play him. The easiest way to lose the locker room is not playing your best QB.

    Case 2
    He is roughly equal with Fitzpatrick in pre-season/training camp. Let him sit for at least 6 weeks. Give the OL time to gel and play in sync before throwing him into the fire. Players will respect that as the incumbent vet that Fitzpatrick has earned the right to start.

    Case 3
    He is behind Fitzpatrick. Sit for the majority of the season.

    Case 4
    He is behind Rosen. Work out how the hell to draft Trevor Lawrence.
     
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  16. Wilkimania

    Wilkimania Active Member

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    Pat McAfee had Aaron Rodgers on his show at the same time we were drafting Tua. He said his early years sat behind BF were the most important of his career in terms of how much he learned. Now I'm not claiming that Fitz is in the same tier of QB as Favre but he does have as much experience and I'm not sure there's many QB's in this league that I'd want my rookie QB learning from more than Fitz. The man's like a cockroach in that he always survives.
     
  17. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you entirely on this one. It's actually how I would bring any QB not named Peyton Manning along.

    Yes our line could have some issues, but the situations we are talking about putting him into arent high pressure where teams are trying to throw the sink at him.

    That said, we do need to make sure he is 100% before putting him out there. Once hes 100% though, keeping him on the bench doesnt lower his injury chance in the future. He cant heal beyond 100%.

    If hes so fragile at 100% that fans are scared, we are doomed whenever he plays. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say once he grasps the playbook and is healthy, put him out in low pressure situations.
     
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  18. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    They should give Rosen a shot to compete with Fitz for the starting job, while bringing Tua along slowly. You don't want to rush Tua into anything.

    If Rosen works out great, you have him as trade bait or insurance against another Tua injury, if not play Fitz. Tua should not start until at least mid season in my opinion.
     
  19. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    I fully agree Rosen should be in the mix to compete. I just have very low expectations for Rosen. If Rosen comes out and proves me wrong then great, but at this point I need to see him produce at a high level before I think about giving him any more benefit of the doubt.
     
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  20. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    I don’t even think they should give Rosen any reps in practice. I don’t even think he is adequate backup material in the NFL.
     
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  21. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I like the allegory... but I do wish there was a better analogy!
     
  22. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Be patient. One year with the team in one of the team's worst years is not enough to judge a rookie anything, let alone QB. We need to see if Rosen can become an adequate/acceptable or even worthy backup before throwing him to the streets. There are a lot more positions to fill with good players on this team in the draft than to throw away a second year QB and create another necessity.
     
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  23. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Well, those are my two posts for the day... And I don't understand it. I retired this year... but my wife has me doing things so much that I don't have time to scratch, let along post.
     
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  24. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    She's probably trying to get you to go back to work. Do you think the Navy will take a guy back at our age? If so, I would probably go. :-)
     
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  25. tirty8

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    I would handle this in a few phases:

    Phase I - This is self explanatory, but nothing happens until he is medically cleared.

    Phase II - He has an adequate understanding of our system and has a good feeling for our receiving unit.

    Phase III - Our offensive line looks respectable.

    Phase IV - He is playing near the level of Fitzmagic.

    Once those boxes are checked, I have no issue playing him. This could be week 1 or it might be the start of 2021.
     
  26. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    From reports out of Alabama back when Tua was a true freshman, he was clearly the better QB over Jalen Hurts right from the beginning. He would enter the huddle and the receivers would get excited. He would lead the offense down the field and the ball would never touch the ground. And Dilfer described Tua as a "one rep guy", meaning that you tell him something once and he figures out/corrects it by the next rep so it makes sense that Tua would be a guy who looks good immediately. Despite all that, Tua did not replace Hurts until the second half of the championship game at the end of his freshman season. Now obviously, this is a different team, different coach so who knows, but just clearly being the best guy may not get him in early. Heck even Marino didn't start until I think game 5 of his rookie year. And as someone who watched a few of those practices his rookie year, I can tell you that it wasn't close between Woodley and Marino.

    Miami is fortunate in that they have Fitzpatrick who is playing the best football of his career (the last two seasons) and is loved by his team mates. Fitz will never be consistently accurate, but he does finally seem to be making better decisions. Despite how smart Fitz obviously is, he's never been a consistently good decision maker. That's a big part of why his career has been so up and down. But these last two seasons he's done a better job of throwing fewer high risk passes. And he's been fortunate to have WRs that can elevate above DBs to catch those passes. Assuming health for Parker and Williams, that is something that should continue this season.

    While it would be great for Miami if Rosen would somehow so play well early on that we could eventually flip him for a high pick, I don't see that as likely. Gailey's offense should be much simpler than O'Shea's so that should help Rosen, but despite his reported intelligence, Rosen has never been a "one rep guy". He's been the opposite. He's been the guy that people have always excused his performances by saying, "he has a new offense or a new OC".

    Personally, I'd hope Tua doesn't play at all for at least half of the season. The transition from college to pro is tough on it's own without the added pressure of being the face of the franchise. I don't believe that it's best for any rookie QB to start right away. Some can do it and IMO Tua seems like one of the ones that could handle it and handle it well, but I don't see any reason to rush things. When he does play, I hope they follow a similar plan to what Walsh did with Montana. Walsh would script about 15 plays or so and Montana would come and run that script. The script had been run in practice multiple time throughout the week. Sometimes it would be in the second half, sometimes in the first. It had nothing to do with how the team or the QB was playing or trying to find a spark. It was just about setting Montana up for success. IMO it helped him transition to the speed of the game. Montana actually played in every game that rookie season, but only threw 23 passes. Now I don't believe they need to be as conservative with Tua. Montana didn't actually start until his third season. But I loved how deliberate they were about getting Montana ready. I would be happy with Tua not getting his first official start until somewhere between half way through season 1 or at the beginning of season 2.

    My personal storybook fantasy would be for Fitz to have a great year and take us to the SB, but struggle in the first half only to have Tua come in and carry Miami to comeback win.
     
  27. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Favre was a notoriously bad mentor. He was not in anyway welcoming or prone to teaching. There were rumors at the time that Favre did not want the responsibility of mentoring anyone. And reality is that he probably wouldn't have been much good at it. Favre was one of those guys who was incredibly instinctive, but not intelligent. Ty Detmer once confirmed that Favre didn't know what a nickel defense was several years into his pro career.
     
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  28. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Are any big name QBs really? These are often alpha dudes, super competitive and guys with massive natural talent. That doesn't always equate to being a good teacher. IMO a dude like Fitz is probably much better suited to help a rookie than a guy like Favre, Rogers, Manning, etc.

    I don't expect Rivers to do much for Eason, or Rogers for Love.
     
  29. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Matthew Berry of all people made an interesting point, listing Fitz as a "hate" in a fantasy draft: https://www.espn.com/fantasy/footba...asy-football-love-hate-2020-nfl-draft-edition

    It's not so much about Fitz or his play, but rather the idea that Tua may play sooner than some think:
     
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  30. danmarino

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    I hope Tua sits this entire upcoming year. Maybe put him in for a few plays here and there, but I have always been one who thinks sitting a year (or more) will help a QB tremendously. Rodgers, Brees, Brady, and Mahomes all sat out at least their first season.
     
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  31. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Part of me agrees with you, and the other, less sensible, part wants to see him play for totally selfish reasons. :-)
     
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    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's a good point. The only guys I could think of were Alex Smith who apparently was a good mentor for Mahomes and surprisingly Brady who reportedly did help Garappolo and Stidham with understanding coverage reads. (Although depending on who you believe Brady may have forced the Garappalo trade).
     
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    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Sorry to be selfish, but a part of me wants Tua to start day 1, assuming the hip is fully healed.

    No logic behind it, you all make great points.. It's just what I want.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    Let him learn the offense, let him watch Fitz, let him get the verbiage down so when it’s time to play he can just react and read and throw..Let Fitz teach this kid, and let Tua teach Fitz..

    Fitz deserves the shot to take this years team as far as he can, that’s the beauty of this, there is no pressure, we are still rebuilding..I’m one to believe that Fitz will have. A breakout year at 37..he’s cutting down on turnovers, understanding how to pose a dual threat to the defense, and he’s basically outsmarting defensive coordinators..it’s a beautiful thing, let the oline gel before Tua comes in.
     
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  35. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Kyle Crabbs on the Dolphins as one of three teams (Broncos, Lions) who established an identity for themselves in the 2020 draft. What's interesting is he gives us an idea of what Gailey's offense will look like. I think I have a very basic understanding of what he means by power, lead, and dive concepts, but that's about it. If someone knows, maybe they can expand the discussion if they want to.

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/miami-dolphins-detroit-lions-denver-broncos-nfl-draft-2020
     
  36. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Honestly it's the type of offense any QB should be able to have at least moderate success in if its firing on all cylinders.

    Basically trying to create vertical or otherwise broken coverage plays with play action causing defenders to guess wrong on the play getting them out of position or at least dedicate 8 in the box to stop the run.

    Basically an offense that tries to make the QBs job as easy as possible by creating short yardage situations to pass out of and tiring a defense out.

    Not sure if that explained anything you dont know, just giving my take on the article.
     
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  37. Puka-head

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    That I have decided to start a protest movement. Care to join me?
     

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