Honey Badger

2nd is a little earlier but Id be ok 3rd or later...personally I think he will probably go late 4 early 5 because of all the past stupidity being held against him but hopefully hes turned a corner. Hes got considerable talent and now hopefully his head has caught up to the rest of him.

"Boik14 wrote:

2nd is a little earlier but Id be ok 3rd or later...personally I think he will probably go late 4 early 5 because of all the past stupidity being held against him but hopefully hes turned a corner. Hes got considerable talent and now hopefully his head has caught up to the rest of him.

I think once we get towards the end of the 2nd round, teams will start thinking. They'll first think, "heck, we can wait" but then doubt will creep in and they'll be like, "wait, I wonder if someone will pull the trigger sooner than later .... perhaps, we should be that team," and then - suddenly, someone will grab him early in the 3rd.

Too much talent, way too much potential - a guy who is top 5/10 under traditional circumstances won't last long, no matter what dumb things he's done in the past.

"CANEPHINS wrote:

He had a very good workout at the combine today. IMO, he is every bit worth us using one of our second or thirds on. We are talking top 10 talent that we can get for a bargain if he is there.

He just stated on NFLN that the first thing he will buy with his contract is an assistant that will help keep him straight and accountable. Right answer kid...right answer. :up:

I would be worried about any player who feels he has to pay someone to keep him on the straight and narrow path. I think he could turn into a solid NFL player, but I just don't think South Florida would be the best fit for a player who has a history of drug use. There are just too many temptations in South Florida for a young guy with a history like his. Being drafted by a team in a small market with less night life would benefit him the most, as far as I am concerned.

Doesn't look like he pushed himself too hard during this time off...

Tyrann Mathieu’s bench press may call his work ethic into question

Mathieu managed to bench 225 pounds just four times, an extremely low total for any NFL player — even a kicker. (The only kicker who benched at this year’s Combine, Arizona State’s Josh Hubner, managed 13 reps.) Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer said on NFL Network this morning that Mathieu’s bench press total calls into question whether he’s been working hard in the weight room.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/26/tyrann-mathieus-bench-press-may-call-his-work-ethic-into-question/

"Bumrush wrote:

Doesn't look like he pushed himself too hard during this time off...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/26/tyrann-mathieus-bench-press-may-call-his-work-ethic-into-question/

Sounds like he wont get past the Jets 2nd pick....

I dont look to much into the bench press with this guy. That is a slight bummer, but the other areas in the combine this morning he excelled. I thought he put together one of the most impressive performances of the weekend especially with all the pressure that surrounded him. I would take my chance with him in the 4th round. If we could get the playmaking ability from 2011 out of this guy in the 4th round, consider that one of the potential biggest steals of the draft.

He said on the NFLN set that he wasn't focusing on the weights for the combine. Instead he was getting back into conditioning and playing shape. He was focused on the drills and 40. He said at pro day you will see what he can do in the weight room and he will show marked improvement.

He's risky due to both his height and immaturity. He's a luxury selection. Depending upon who the Phins get earlier in the draft, and who else is still there, I'd start considering him with my 4th round pick, but probably not before. He's a bit of a jackass, though... so, he's got Jets written all over him.

This is why I'm glad fans don't make personnel decisions.

Without the character issues, Mathieu is a 3rd to 4th round prospect that will likely never be anything more than a nickle corner and special teams guy. With the character issues, I think he's a guy you don't draft at all.

The guy simply is not a very good cornerback. He doesn't play with great speed. He is poor at turning and running with receivers. He gets beat as often as he makes a big play.

"CANEPHINS wrote:

He had a very good workout at the combine today. IMO, he is every bit worth us using one of our second or thirds on. We are talking top 10 talent that we can get for a bargain if he is there.

He just stated on NFLN that the first thing he will buy with his contract is an assistant that will help keep him straight and accountable. Right answer kid...right answer. :up:

If he knows he needs to stay on the straight and narrow, how come he can't do it his damn self? Why does he need an assistant? This is a horse **** answer and its just another way to take responsibility away from himself. Be a damn man and handle your business. You need an assistant to behave like an adult? Call your mother jackass, she'll do it for free.

This guy is clueless. If he thinks this answer will ease any fears of teams and GM's, he's dumber than anyone could imagine. Imagine a 20 year old coming in saying they need an assistant to get them to work on time.......would anyone hire this person over the other people who just show up on time on their own? Think about it.

He should simply stop talking, it would do him some good.

My father would punch me in the face if I behaved like this at his age. And no, that's not child abuse its called being a 'dad' and knocking some sense into me. The lack of male role models is having disastrous affects on society when this is accepted, rather than ridiculed and treated like nonsense - which it is.

Heard he lit it up at the combine

"CANEPHINS wrote:

He had a very good workout at the combine today. IMO, he is every bit worth us using one of our second or thirds on. We are talking top 10 talent that we can get for a bargain if he is there.

He just stated on NFLN that the first thing he will buy with his contract is an assistant that will help keep him straight and accountable. Right answer kid...right answer. :up:

Top 10 overall talent in this draft? No way. Even if he had no off field problems he is not a top 10 player.

This is a good article on Tyrann "Honey Badger" Mathieu;
http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Mayock-Honey-Badger-A-Combine-Wildcard/7f0494de-e387-4058-9164-c4dae8938a04
He is pretty short at 5'9" but he has excelled at his position.
He was a 2011 Heisman Trophy finalist,was named the Bednarik Award winner, First-Team All-American at cornerback, First-Team All-American at returner, National Defensive Player of the Year, SEC Championship MVP, four-time player of the week, and Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Year winner.
As a true freshman in 2010, Mathieu played in all 13 games with one start. He finished the season with 59 tackles, 4.5 sacks and two interceptions. He was the Outstanding Defensive Player of the 2011 Cotton Bowl Classic after he recorded seven tackles, one tackle for loss, two forced fumbles, one fumble recovery, one interception, one sack and one pass breakup. Mathieu earned the nickname "The Honey Badger" for his tenacious ability to play extremely tough football against much larger opponents, as well as his knack for making big plays.
Read the recap of his 2012 season here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrann_Mathieu, he certainly does have some serious red flags.

I find the risk with a 4th rounder to be kinda low for what kind of potential high reward you can get out of this guy. Just think back to 2011 with how dominant Mathieu truly was. Is his character in question..certainly. But you gotta take these risks sometimes because if it all works out then your team is that much better. Ive constructed this mindset because I am from Baltimore and have been around what the Ravens have done for years. Ozzie is one of the best gms in the NFL and over years and years he has taken risks on players with questionable character. They just won a super bowl.

Also, Burfict was signed by Cincy last year, high risk player but definitely paid off for their team. The way I put it is, I saw this front office spend a fourth rounder on a Clyde Gates because of speed and that didnt help us one bit, he is now a jet. I would rather risk my fourth rounder on a guy who was on the heisman list, a dominant defensive force even though he has those issues. Just my opinion though because I really feel the reward out of this guy can be big time.

I'm all in...I've seen enough in his games to know he's a great football player who didnt play with a lot of technique, now I've seen him when he DOES focus on technique at the combine, it was an awesome display, I'm fully aware of the flags, but I would take the hit on this special player..I'd take him at 3b..

"lmeister3 wrote:

Heard he lit it up at the combine

lit...it...up...best..player..on..field..

I think someone pulls the trigger on this guy at the end of the 2nd. People will be trying to get a jump on the others.

Official 40 of 4.50. Hardly lighting it up.

As i've said before, not that impressive physically. It's all about intangibles for him, and those are tainted by being a proven humongous knucklehead.

"jw3102 wrote:

I would be worried about any player who feels he has to pay someone to keep him on the straight and narrow path. I think he could turn into a solid NFL player, but I just don't think South Florida would be the best fit for a player who has a history of drug use. There are just too many temptations in South Florida for a young guy with a history like his. Being drafted by a team in a small market with less night life woulde benefit him the most, as far as I am concerned.

Obviously you've never been in a small town. I always laugh when people talk about south Fla being such a bad influence when it comes to drugs etc b/c it ain't nearly as pervasive as being out in the middle of nowhere with less around to keep you preoccupied. Typically the less there is to do the higher the rate of drug use.

"Sumlit wrote:

Official 40 of 4.50. Hardly lighting it up.

As i've said before, not that impressive physically. It's all about intangibles for him, and those are tainted by being a proven humongous knucklehead.

Considering many thought he'd be a high 4.5 to 4.6 guy, I'd say 4.5 was pretty good, and his first time looked faster. The guy who met him after his run said he had him at 4.37.

"lmeister3 wrote:

Heard he lit it up at the combine

"CANEPHINS wrote:

He had a very good workout at the combine today. IMO, he is every bit worth us using one of our second or thirds on. We are talking top 10 talent that we can get for a bargain if he is there.

He just stated on NFLN that the first thing he will buy with his contract is an assistant that will help keep him straight and accountable. Right answer kid...right answer. :up:

Top 10 talent?

"phinsational wrote:

Obviously you've never been in a small town. I always laugh when people talk about south Fla being such a bad influence when it comes to drugs etc b/c it ain't nearly as pervasive as being out in the middle of nowhere with less around to keep you preoccupied. Typically the less there is to do the higher the rate of drug use.

I have no idea where you are getting the idea that, "the less there is to do in a location, the greater the drug use". I worked in law enforcement in South Florida for over 25 years. I can assure you that statistics clearly show that the major illegal drug markets are in the largest cities in the United States. While small cities or towns certainly have their share of illegal drug activity, it is no where close to the illegal drug activity which takes place in major urban areas like South Florida.

I have lived in South Florida for over 50 years and I think it is a great place to live. I just don't know if the Dolphins should draft a player who is known to have a drug issue and expose him to all the temptations available to a rich young athlete, who obviously has a history which shows he doesn't make the right decisions and still needs to grow up. Perhaps drafting him in the 6th or 7th round would be worth the risk, but any higher pick just makes no sense to me.

"jw3102 wrote:

I have no idea where you are getting the idea that, "the less there is to do in a location, the greater the drug use". I worked in law enforcement in South Florida for over 25 years. I can assure you that statistics clearly show that the major illegal drug markets are in the largest cities in the United States. While small cities or towns certainly have their share of illegal drug activity, it is no where close to the illegal drug activity which takes place in major urban areas like South Florida.

I have lived in South Florida for over 50 years and I think it is a great place to live. I just don't know if the Dolphins should draft a player who is known to have a drug issue and expose him to all the temptations available to a rich young athlete, who obviously has a history which shows he doesn't make the right decisions and still needs to grow up. Perhaps drafting him in the 6th or 7th round would be worth the risk, but any higher pick just makes no sense to me.

I understand that you have a lot of experience living in So Fla and as a police office, but there is definitely something to say about small towns leading to high drug and alcohol abuse. My future mother in grew up in a small town in Iowa and has shared many times how all the high school kids did when growing up was drink and party because there is nothing else to do. Not saying one is worse, but there is validity in the "the less there is to do the more likely kids turn to drugs and alcohol".