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Hints at Dolphins Trading Up in Draft

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Feb 10, 2020.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I'm not going to link to any specific article since it's all guessing at this point, but several news outlets over the weekend announced they have "insider tips" that we're looking to trade up in the draft. Once scenario had us moving to #1 overall since Burrow has hinted he doesn't want to go to Cinci...the guess is that it will cost #5, #18 and a 2nd rounder next year since Cinci won't waste the #1 pick on a guy who could sit out. Another scenario says we'll move to #2 overall if Cinci takes Chase Young.

    I also read a scenario where we move to #3 to grab Tua...so a lot of speculation is out there that we're talking to all the teams above us trying to make a move. It's likely all smoke and mirrors with the draft 8 weeks away...but that's the off-season.

    Oh, one more tidbit- Ross made a comment this weekend that he wasn't sure about Tua as a prospect since he was seriously injured, but he'd really love to have Joe Burrow. Again, is it more smoke and mirrors? It's hard to say coming from Ross.

    The largest consensus on the Dolphins mock draft (from MiamiDolphins.com) is that we take Tua at #5, a lineman in the teens and RB Swift or Dobbins in the 20's.
     
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  2. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I would be totally cool with trading up to get Burrow. I would also be cool with trading down for another mid-first-round pick plus a couple seconds. I am NOT okay with trading up for Tua.
     
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  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I'm okay if we gamble the #5 pick on Tua, but I'm not hyped to gamble multiple 1st rounders or other draft capital on him. The only way I'd be okay with moving up for Tua would be something like the #5 pick, Rosen and a 2nd/3rd rounder. But even then...what if Rosen were to develop AND Tua doesn't? That's a double dagger I'd rather avoid if possible.
     
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  4. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Stay put... and dont take any quarterback in the top 10 unless Burrow drops at 5... if we take Tua, get ready for an I told you so in the future.
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    And, if he works out and becomes a star you can just say that you're happy to be a Dolphins fan and praise him. And, if he doesn't you can make all the "I told you so" posts in the world and act like you know football better than everyone else.

    The classic no lose anonymous football fan on an internet chat board situation. Brave.
     
  6. Fishhead

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    I’m good with this, depending on what we do with the o line in free agency.
     
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  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Tua at 5 is pretty much the dream, but it's hard to envision no movement among the top 4 spots at all. Surely there is a team willing to drop at least a second round pick to move up with the Lions or Giants ahead of us.

    As fun as it is to do sims with Tua at 5 and loading up in the first and second rounds, it is probably not realistic, especially considering Grier has been open regarding the draft capital being an investment to sink into a QB.

    Frankly, the question isn't if we will move, but rather how much we will spend to do so. The frustrating part will be that a trade is unlikely to happen until the actual draft day.
     
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  8. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    With todays news of Rivers hitting FA, and Tuas CT scan coming back as "positive", you can pretty much kiss those extra 1st rounders goodbye.
     
  9. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I would without question give up those picks for Burrow!
     
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  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    What does that mean on the CT scan? I haven't had a chance to look at any news articles today yet.

    Edit- Okay, I took a look. Ian Rappaport leaked that the CT Scan on the hip "was as positive as possible". The fracture has healed and the range of motion is good. It also went on to say though that the results mean little this early on...but so far, so good for seeing a best case scenario in the long term outcome.
     
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  11. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Btw, what would be the most beneficial pairings of FA QBs (or trades) that would benefit our draft position.

    Would the Chargers be willing to move up if they get Brady on a two year deal? Would Rivers going to Indy remove them from a trade up scenario? If that happens, is there a major threat to trade ahead of us? Anyone know of a significant leap into the top 4 in the last few years offhand?
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    You also have to consider Teddy Bridgewater, Cam Newton, and a darkhorse like Taysom Hill.
     
  13. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    If I owned picks #2, 3 or 4 I would put out rumors that the Dolphins were investigating moving up.

    The fact that the Dolphins have their big bundle of picks puts pressure on other teams to put together a bigger parcel of picks to move up to #2, 3 or 4 than a normal year. Add to that there are going to be at least 2 QBs taken in the top 5 (Burrows and Tua) and QBs demand a higher premium than non-QBs and it could be possible to panic a GM on a hot seat into a Mike Ditka like trade.
     
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  14. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I would support a move up to take Burrow. But if he doesn’t like Cincy, why would Miami be any different? If we move up to take Tua, not gonna be happy.
     
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  15. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    The HUGE difference is Miami has an owner willing to spend lots of his money to help the team. Look at the hundreds of millions Ross spent to improve the stadium, or money spent on coaching staffs, and free agents (not often wisely though). Winning is the goal for Ross, while just raking in their share of the NFL cash is what the Bengals owner seems to be concerned about.

    Where would Burrow go in the 2021 draft if he held out for a year rather than go to Cincy? Second pick? Top five at worst? First pick if Lawrence stayed in school? Offering #5 and #18 for Burrow would be an offer the Bengals would need to jump at rather than be left with nothing to show for the first pick.
     
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  16. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    There are bad franchises, and then there are dysfunctional franchises. The Bengals are, imo, dysfunctional. We have been bad, and I think the Gase era introduced some dysfunction, but with him gone and Flores in we have something of an upward trajectory it seems. The Bengals just went 1-15, have a notoriously cheap owner, a coach whose most notable accomplishment was holding McVay's jockstrap for a year and a lifelong history of just being a moribund franchise.
     
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  17. Drizzy

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    The price of winning meaningless games down the stretch
     
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  18. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Only if we're stupid enough to trade up for Tua.
     
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  19. Hooligan

    Hooligan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The win against New England was NOT meaningless. It made the entire season a distant memory and put a smile on the faces of all Dolphins fans. Football is after all, an entertainment sport.
     
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  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    A few thoughts there-

    1) If Miami loses to New England, then maybe Fitzpatrick doesn't return next season after all. He ended things on the highest possible note for his own career, the franchise and basically the entire NFL since everyone celebrated the Pats not having the bye + home field advantage.

    2) If the Pats won and got that bye, the Titans play the Chiefs in round one...and I'm guessing that the Chiefs win that one (since they played two weeks later against Tenn and won). Who's to say the Pats wouldn't have got on a little run, knocked off the Chiefs and made another Super Bowl appearance? The MIAMI DOLPHINS, that's who folks!

    3) Brady will likely re-sign, but Kraft wants Brady to go thru free agency first, flirt with other offers out there, then decide if returning is the right move. Kraft definitely has doubts here despite loving Tom like a son...that speaks volumes! If that answer is "no", then New England is 100% screwed next season regardless because they don't have a QB at all. I think there's a decent chance Brady just retires because I have a suspicion Belichek makes major moves for Bridgewater before Brees retires.

    And why did all of this happen? Because the Dolphins won a few meaningless games folks! We haven't even talked about how much that locker room has been buzzing for the past few months, how free agents actually want to play in Miami now and how Fitzpatrick is darn near a cult hero for his part in Kansas City's championship. Those few meaningless wins may well have reshaped the entire AFC East thanks to setting up the scenario for Tannehill to spank Brady in a New England uniform one last time.

    I'm sorry, but that single victory by Miami was worth so much more than a shot at Chase Young. And every front office in the league knows it as well!
     
  21. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I think the issue with this is you're projecting a lot of this year forward.

    The honest truth is once the final down is played, nothing really matters that happened this year except finding guys for the future.

    Even if NE wins the Superbowl this year, Brady is still old, regressing, and may bot come back to NE regardless.

    I dont think our win had any long term impact on the future. I'd personally rather have lost all our games we won by 1 point and played them tough. That would have been as or more impactful than winning.

    That said, our record was our record and it cant change now.
     
  22. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I would have to disagree. I think our win over the Patriots - in a game they really had a lot to play for - showed the league they weren't the same team to be feared. It broke that aura of invincibility, of inevitableness. It stuck them in round 1 (which they have consistently avoided) and lead to them losing. It might lead to Brady leaving, and they have nothing behind him. Even if he comes back, who is fearing the Patriots next year? Who is going to crown them? Nobody. It was a good win, a fun win and good day.
     
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  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    I think it also helps with free agents. Miami does not look like a Bengals
     
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  24. TheOne

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    I don't see Cincy trading the first overall but I would trade all 3 first rounders to Washington for the 2nd overall and Trent Williams.
     
  25. hitman8

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    Trade up fir burrow? Maybe,

    Trade up for Tua? Hard no.
     
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  26. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I dont think teams would fear them the same even if they won it all.

    Regardless of whether they won or lost Brady is aging the same. So in the end like I said, I'm not sure it matters too much. Next season will play through on it's own merit.

    Losing to the Titans was a bigger blow IMO. They still lost that game at home, so it's kind of hard to argue that losing home field hurt them too badly. If anything losing the week off was worse, but they were still at home.
     
  27. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    And I think you're projecting anger for the Dolphins winning for no reason. If we had the #2 or #3 overall pick, we'd take Tua. At #5, we'll take Tua. There's no difference in our strategy other than giving up a 2nd 1st if we move up.

    But what that franchise gained from the wins is so much more important- rookies and new players were lighting people up in that secondary. Fitz was playing like he was 20 years old. That team was so hyped up that they knocked off the defending SB champs in their house....where only 1 other AFC East team has won in the past decade. Those first seven losses had people like Minkah wanting to jump ship; the five wins stopped all that talk and made it where free agents actually changed their mind about Miami. I mean, if that bunch of nobodies could humiliate the Pats...imagine what they'd do with a little talent on the field. People took notice.

    Honestly, 2019 may well end up our organization's most important season of the past two decades because it showed a shift in philosophies- the players actually believed in the system and bought in, playing well above their pay grades. If the Pats finally start to crumble as well (which they basically already have) then those five wins mean the world for this team and their projection.
     
  28. danmarino

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    Trading up for Tua, if needed, is absolutely the right thing to do as long as he keeps progressing in regards to his injury. Coming away from this draft without one of the better QB prospects to come out of college over the last 10-15 years is just dumb and reckless.

    Again, if Tua is medically cleared, you do anything you can to draft him.
     
  29. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I'm not angry, I just don't think it will benefit us long term. There is a big difference.

    Most of these guys arent really in the future plans I'd assume. I dont really see how anything we did can impact the future. We've had playoff years where we fought hard and it didnt positively impact our future for instance and that is a much bigger deal in the NFL.
     
  30. royalfan

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    It is hard to know what is the proper move without knowing his health. I am inclined to think that standing pat and taking him at 5 if he is there is the play. If he isn't then we get a damn good player and still have the remaining picks. I will pry get lynched for this suggestion, especially it being my first post, but I would kind of like to go after Winston if unable to land Tua at 5. We know his upside if he can get his head screwed on straight. Would have a very talented QB and preserve all of the equity we have built up.
     
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  31. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    If Bruce Arians can't fix Winston what makes you think Chan Gailey can?

    He just seems destined to be one of those guys who tantalize but can't get past fatal flaws. I'd leave his W fingers elsewhere.

    Rumors popping up this afternoon about the Lions thinking of trading Stafford BTW. The report seems based on social media posts from Staffords wife indicating if Detroit isn't happy with Matt she wouldn't mind going to LA. Lions GM Quinn says there are 100% no trade rumors, but it's an odd situation.

    Also to reiterate, there is 0 indication of Quinn being anything but a below average to bad GM. I suspect if Tuas health remains good, we talk hard with Washington. Passing on Young would be tough, but they have a good DL and could be left in position to take Okudah or Simmons at 5, both huge needs.
     
  32. royalfan

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    More that I trust Winston to fix it. What allows him to lead the league in TD's and yards(I think) is the incredible talent. It obviously isn't going to happen anyway, so you can rest easy. I just think a plan like that is worth the risk rather than trading valuable picks away to move a couple spots. He did get lasik done after all, maybe he can see now:)
     
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  33. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Welcome aboard. Drinks on you rookie!
     
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  34. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I'd stay away from Winston. I said before he was drafted that he lacked the ability to be a top QB. It's not physical ability he lacks, it's the ability to manage himself, his team and a game. Hes never really had it and I doubt at this point he ever will.

    His lack of concern for protecting the ball is what allows him to put up both his great and terrible numbers.
     
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  35. Dolphin Dundee

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    Yeah i wouldn't even bother watching this year if Crab legs is our QB.
     
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  36. KeyFin

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    But it's already benefited us in several ways-

    1) New England is scampering to figure out what to do if Brady doesn't return....plus they looked down-right pedestrian with two straight losses (to Miami quarterbacks, nonetheless).

    2) Most of those guys might not be in our future, but the ones who return have 100% bought into Flores and this team. Week 17 was basically a Wildcard game for the Pats that they had to win, in New England...you may as well say the Dolphins had a playoff win this year despite having the worst roster in the league.

    3) Because of that win, Burrow, Tua and others have hinted they'd like to play in Miami. Free agents are reaching out to us seeing if there's a fit as well...that hasn't happened in a very long time. Heck, Brady's wife mentioned that she'd like to move to Miami this off-season if Tom could play down there! That BETTER NOT happen but still...we're a desirable landing spot.

    Everything that's happened with this team since around week 10 has been nothing but positive...and the league definitely takes notice. That doesn't mean we'll be competitive next year but at the same time, it's impossible to say that we're not on the right path as a young franchise. And that's all you can really ask for in this situation, to be trending the right way and making believers in this team.
     
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  37. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    I don't know Key. As much as I hate Marsha and everything he represents, if he could pull a Bum Phillips on Bellyache... That would be kinda sweet.

    For you young 'uns:

    Bum Phillips was coach of the Houston Oilers. He famously said about the Don, "He can take his'n and beat your'n and then take your'n and beat his'n"

    Still don't want nothin' to do with it, but you gotta admit that would be delicious irony.
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    You found a head coach that demonstrated he is capable of winning with the most depleted roster in the game, thise wins were not meaningless..

    So you’ve got your coach, now go get your Qb.
     
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  39. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Patriots resign Brady at a cut price and BB trades him and picks to claim the #1 spot for Burrow!

    Ugly thought.
     
  40. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Which is why I would move up, if necessary, to #1 to take Burrow, were I convinced that he was all that and a bag of chips. If the team thinks he is as good as many think, do it. If not, play for somebody else. I just have some reservations about Tua, and I hope they are wrong, about his standing up to professional style play from DL and LB.
     
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