Hints at Dolphins Trading Up in Draft

I would be totally cool with trading up to get Burrow. I would also be cool with trading down for another mid-first-round pick plus a couple seconds. I am NOT okay with trading up for Tua.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I would be totally cool with trading up to get Burrow. I would also be cool with trading down for another mid-first-round pick plus a couple seconds. I am NOT okay with trading up for Tua.

I agree. I'm okay if we gamble the #5 pick on Tua, but I'm not hyped to gamble multiple 1st rounders or other draft capital on him. The only way I'd be okay with moving up for Tua would be something like the #5 pick, Rosen and a 2nd/3rd rounder. But even then...what if Rosen were to develop AND Tua doesn't? That's a double dagger I'd rather avoid if possible.

Stay put... and dont take any quarterback in the top 10 unless Burrow drops at 5... if we take Tua, get ready for an I told you so in the future.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Stay put... and dont take any quarterback in the top 10 unless Burrow drops at 5... if we take Tua, get ready for an I told you so in the future.

And, if he works out and becomes a star you can just say that you're happy to be a Dolphins fan and praise him. And, if he doesn't you can make all the "I told you so" posts in the world and act like you know football better than everyone else.

The classic no lose anonymous football fan on an internet chat board situation. Brave.

"KeyFin wrote:

The largest consensus on the Dolphins mock draft (from MiamiDolphins.com) is that we take Tua at #5, a lineman in the teens and RB Swift or Dobbins in the 20's.

I’m good with this, depending on what we do with the o line in free agency.

Tua at 5 is pretty much the dream, but it's hard to envision no movement among the top 4 spots at all. Surely there is a team willing to drop at least a second round pick to move up with the Lions or Giants ahead of us.

As fun as it is to do sims with Tua at 5 and loading up in the first and second rounds, it is probably not realistic, especially considering Grier has been open regarding the draft capital being an investment to sink into a QB.

Frankly, the question isn't if we will move, but rather how much we will spend to do so. The frustrating part will be that a trade is unlikely to happen until the actual draft day.

With todays news of Rivers hitting FA, and Tuas CT scan coming back as "positive", you can pretty much kiss those extra 1st rounders goodbye.

"KeyFin wrote:

I'm not going to link to any specific article since it's all guessing at this point, but several news outlets over the weekend announced they have "insider tips" that we're looking to trade up in the draft. Once scenario had us moving to #1 overall since Burrow has hinted he doesn't want to go to Cinci...the guess is that it will cost #5, #18 and a 2nd rounder next year since Cinci won't waste the #1 pick on a guy who could sit out. Another scenario says we'll move to #2 overall if Cinci takes Chase Young.

I also read a scenario where we move to #3 to grab Tua...so a lot of speculation is out there that we're talking to all the teams above us trying to make a move. It's likely all smoke and mirrors with the draft 8 weeks away...but that's the off-season.

Oh, one more tidbit- Ross made a comment this weekend that he wasn't sure about Tua as a prospect since he was seriously injured, but he'd really love to have Joe Burrow. Again, is it more smoke and mirrors? It's hard to say coming from Ross.

The largest consensus on the Dolphins mock draft (from MiamiDolphins.com) is that we take Tua at #5, a lineman in the teens and RB Swift or Dobbins in the 20's.

I would without question give up those picks for Burrow!

"gilv13 wrote:

With todays news of Rivers hitting FA, and Tuas CT scan coming back as "positive", you can pretty much kiss those extra 1st rounders goodbye.

What does that mean on the CT scan? I haven't had a chance to look at any news articles today yet.

Edit- Okay, I took a look. Ian Rappaport leaked that the CT Scan on the hip "was as positive as possible". The fracture has healed and the range of motion is good. It also went on to say though that the results mean little this early on...but so far, so good for seeing a best case scenario in the long term outcome.

Btw, what would be the most beneficial pairings of FA QBs (or trades) that would benefit our draft position.

Would the Chargers be willing to move up if they get Brady on a two year deal? Would Rivers going to Indy remove them from a trade up scenario? If that happens, is there a major threat to trade ahead of us? Anyone know of a significant leap into the top 4 in the last few years offhand?

"texanphinatic wrote:

Btw, what would be the most beneficial pairings of FA QBs (or trades) that would benefit our draft position.

Would the Chargers be willing to move up if they get Brady on a two year deal? Would Rivers going to Indy remove them from a trade up scenario? If that happens, is there a major threat to trade ahead of us? Anyone know of a significant leap into the top 4 in the last few years offhand?

You also have to consider Teddy Bridgewater, Cam Newton, and a darkhorse like Taysom Hill.

If I owned picks #2, 3 or 4 I would put out rumors that the Dolphins were investigating moving up.

The fact that the Dolphins have their big bundle of picks puts pressure on other teams to put together a bigger parcel of picks to move up to #2, 3 or 4 than a normal year. Add to that there are going to be at least 2 QBs taken in the top 5 (Burrows and Tua) and QBs demand a higher premium than non-QBs and it could be possible to panic a GM on a hot seat into a Mike Ditka like trade.

I would support a move up to take Burrow. But if he doesn’t like Cincy, why would Miami be any different? If we move up to take Tua, not gonna be happy.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I would support a move up to take Burrow. But if he doesn’t like Cincy, why would Miami be any different? If we move up to take Tua, not gonna be happy.

The HUGE difference is Miami has an owner willing to spend lots of his money to help the team. Look at the hundreds of millions Ross spent to improve the stadium, or money spent on coaching staffs, and free agents (not often wisely though). Winning is the goal for Ross, while just raking in their share of the NFL cash is what the Bengals owner seems to be concerned about.

Where would Burrow go in the 2021 draft if he held out for a year rather than go to Cincy? Second pick? Top five at worst? First pick if Lawrence stayed in school? Offering #5 and #18 for Burrow would be an offer the Bengals would need to jump at rather than be left with nothing to show for the first pick.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I would support a move up to take Burrow. But if he doesn’t like Cincy, why would Miami be any different?

There are bad franchises, and then there are dysfunctional franchises. The Bengals are, imo, dysfunctional. We have been bad, and I think the Gase era introduced some dysfunction, but with him gone and Flores in we have something of an upward trajectory it seems. The Bengals just went 1-15, have a notoriously cheap owner, a coach whose most notable accomplishment was holding McVay's jockstrap for a year and a lifelong history of just being a moribund franchise.

"gilv13 wrote:

With todays news of Rivers hitting FA, and Tuas CT scan coming back as "positive", you can pretty much kiss those extra 1st rounders goodbye.

The price of winning meaningless games down the stretch

"gilv13 wrote:

With todays news of Rivers hitting FA, and Tuas CT scan coming back as "positive", you can pretty much kiss those extra 1st rounders goodbye.

Only if we're stupid enough to trade up for Tua.

The win against New England was NOT meaningless. It made the entire season a distant memory and put a smile on the faces of all Dolphins fans. Football is after all, an entertainment sport.

"Hooligan wrote:

The win against New England was NOT meaningless. It made the entire season a distant memory and put a smile on the faces of all Dolphins fans. Football is after all, an entertainment sport.

A few thoughts there-

1) If Miami loses to New England, then maybe Fitzpatrick doesn't return next season after all. He ended things on the highest possible note for his own career, the franchise and basically the entire NFL since everyone celebrated the Pats not having the bye + home field advantage.

2) If the Pats won and got that bye, the Titans play the Chiefs in round one...and I'm guessing that the Chiefs win that one (since they played two weeks later against Tenn and won). Who's to say the Pats wouldn't have got on a little run, knocked off the Chiefs and made another Super Bowl appearance? The MIAMI DOLPHINS, that's who folks!

3) Brady will likely re-sign, but Kraft wants Brady to go thru free agency first, flirt with other offers out there, then decide if returning is the right move. Kraft definitely has doubts here despite loving Tom like a son...that speaks volumes! If that answer is "no", then New England is 100% screwed next season regardless because they don't have a QB at all. I think there's a decent chance Brady just retires because I have a suspicion Belichek makes major moves for Bridgewater before Brees retires.

And why did all of this happen? Because the Dolphins won a few meaningless games folks! We haven't even talked about how much that locker room has been buzzing for the past few months, how free agents actually want to play in Miami now and how Fitzpatrick is darn near a cult hero for his part in Kansas City's championship. Those few meaningless wins may well have reshaped the entire AFC East thanks to setting up the scenario for Tannehill to spank Brady in a New England uniform one last time.

I'm sorry, but that single victory by Miami was worth so much more than a shot at Chase Young. And every front office in the league knows it as well!

"KeyFin wrote:

A few thoughts there-

1) If Miami loses to New England, then maybe Fitzpatrick doesn't return next season after all. He ended things on the highest possible note for his own career, the franchise and basically the entire NFL since everyone celebrated the Pats not having the bye + home field advantage.

2) If the Pats won and got that bye, the Titans play the Chiefs in round one...and I'm guessing that the Chiefs win that one (since they played two weeks later against Tenn and won). Who's to say the Pats wouldn't have got on a little run, knocked off the Chiefs and made another Super Bowl appearance? The MIAMI DOLPHINS, that's who folks!

3) Brady will likely re-sign, but Kraft wants Brady to go thru free agency first, flirt with other offers out there, then decide if returning is the right move. Kraft definitely has doubts here despite loving Tom like a son...that speaks volumes! If that answer is "no", then New England is 100% screwed next season regardless because they don't have a QB at all. I think there's a decent chance Brady just retires because I have a suspicion Belichek makes major moves for Bridgewater before Brees retires.

And why did all of this happen? Because the Dolphins won a few meaningless games folks! We haven't even talked about how much that locker room has been buzzing for the past few months, how free agents actually want to play in Miami now and how Fitzpatrick is darn near a cult hero for his part in Kansas City's championship. Those few meaningless wins may well have reshaped the entire AFC East thanks to setting up the scenario for Tannehill to spank Brady in a New England uniform one last time.

I'm sorry, but that single victory by Miami was worth so much more than a shot at Chase Young. And every front office in the league knows it as well!

I think the issue with this is you're projecting a lot of this year forward.

The honest truth is once the final down is played, nothing really matters that happened this year except finding guys for the future.

Even if NE wins the Superbowl this year, Brady is still old, regressing, and may bot come back to NE regardless.

I dont think our win had any long term impact on the future. I'd personally rather have lost all our games we won by 1 point and played them tough. That would have been as or more impactful than winning.

That said, our record was our record and it cant change now.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

I think the issue with this is you're projecting a lot of this year forward.

The honest truth is once the final down is played, nothing really matters that happened this year except finding guys for the future.

Even if NE wins the Superbowl this year, Brady is still old, regressing, and may bot come back to NE regardless.

I dont think our win had any long term impact on the future. I'd personally rather have lost all our games we won by 1 point and played them tough. That would have been as or more impactful than winning.

That said, our record was our record and it cant change now.

I would have to disagree. I think our win over the Patriots - in a game they really had a lot to play for - showed the league they weren't the same team to be feared. It broke that aura of invincibility, of inevitableness. It stuck them in round 1 (which they have consistently avoided) and lead to them losing. It might lead to Brady leaving, and they have nothing behind him. Even if he comes back, who is fearing the Patriots next year? Who is going to crown them? Nobody. It was a good win, a fun win and good day.

"texanphinatic wrote:

I would have to disagree. I think our win over the Patriots - in a game they really had a lot to play for - showed the league they weren't the same team to be feared. It broke that aura of invincibility, of inevitableness. It stuck them in round 1 (which they have consistently avoided) and lead to them losing. It might lead to Brady leaving, and they have nothing behind him. Even if he comes back, who is fearing the Patriots next year? Who is going to crown them? Nobody. It was a good win, a fun win and good day.

I think it also helps with free agents. Miami does not look like a Bengals

I don't see Cincy trading the first overall but I would trade all 3 first rounders to Washington for the 2nd overall and Trent Williams.

Trade up fir burrow? Maybe,

Trade up for Tua? Hard no.