The sooner you guys see the relationship between owner Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland, the sooner you guys are going to see what your Magic 8 Ball is telling you is about as accurate as Dion Warwick's Psychic Friends Network...b1tch didn't see the end of her career coming with that one!
Keep livin' that Dave Wannstedt dream TDK. What you fail to realize is that "suck for Luck" means installing an elite QB IN ADDITION to adding to the rest of the team. I just do not get how people continue to perceive this in a vacuum, as if we add Luck and then fail to do anything else to address other spots on the team for all of eternity. And as much as Ross may like Ireland, he won't be so happy if this team goes 1-15/2-14 or whatever and Chin makes an ultimatum.
I bet the Viking fans are hoping that Sage will come in and win three or four games for the Dolphins. Because the last I checked, one of the other teams in the race for Luck is the Vikings. I don't care if the Vikings drafted Ponder or not. The fact is, if the Vikings end up with the worst record in the NFL this season, I have absolutely no doubt that they would pick Luck with the first pick in the draft and trade Ponder for whatever they could get for him.
Peyton Manning is the QUARTERBACK of the Indianpolis Colts...not the CORNERBACK. I know the two sound similiar, but they aren't. Indianapolis' defense has given up an AVERAGE of 390.3 yards total per game. How is Peyton Manning going to improve the defense laying down? Indianapolis' defense has given up an AVERAGE of 133.o yards rushing per game. How is Peyton Manning going to improve the defense laying down? Indianapolis' defense has given up an AVERAGE of 257.3 yards passing per game. How is Peyton Manning going to improve the defense laying down? Indy's defense has been walked all over by Houston and Cleveland. Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay...yea, those are games they could have won with Manning, but their defense...laying down on the job. Same thing with Miami's alleged elite defense...projected to be in the top 10 this season...laid down on the job and picked apart.
Yards don't mean squat, its points. You don't think Peyton will score more than Kerry Collins and Josh Painter? Tell me again by how much the Colts lost to the Bucs and Steelers? Now tell me with a straight face that Peyton could not have made up that difference.
So by your reasoning, if the Dolphins have the first pick in the 2012, they should pass on Luck and take the best defensive player on the board? While I agree that to win a Super Bowl, you have to have an above average defense. The fact is that in the NFL of today, you must have a franchise QB to actually win the Super Bowl. If the Dolphins do have a chance to draft Luck and they fail to do so and instead draft a defensive player, or another offensive lineman. Ross will be lucky to sell 25,000 season tickets next season. While the Marino years may have been frustrating because he never had a top defense or a running game. The fact is that with him at QB, you always felt that the team had a chance to win every game. Fans showed up because the offense was exciting and the Dolphins as a franchise were exciting to watch. I don't know if the Dolphins will ever win a SB with Luck as QB, but I would certainly rather take my chances with him than any of the other players in the 2012 draft. The Dolphins will take at least three years to rebuild the team. So if they are fortunate enough to get Luck in the draft. They have the rest of the 2012 draft and the following two drafts to build the defense and add quality offensive line help.
Very good Aqua. At least you have an up to date calendar on your desk. Now what does that have to do with anything I posted regarding "The Shoot Out"? You S4L's have hard ons for this high passing, high scoring league you say the league has evolved in to...and that game was a prime example of what you kids say the league has become. Would you say Ken O'Brien was a better QB than Marino? Would you say Ken O'Brien had a better game than Marino's 6 touchdown passes compared to O'Brien's 4? I dare say not!!! So why did the Jets win and the Dolphins lose? Defense!! The Jesters were able to stop the Dolphins where Miami's defense was powerless against the Jets. Offense is great...but if your defense can't stop the other team, it doens't matter if you throw for 448 yards and 6 touchdown passes...youre gonna lose
Defense is great ... but if your offense can't score points on the other team, it doesn't matter if you hold them for 200 yards and 13 points ... you're gonna lose.
And how many times did Miami go to and win the Super Bowl with Marino? 0-1. Don't get me wrong. I love Marino. I think he's a football GOD and had he the defense needed to win, Marino may have been a Super Bowl champion...at least once, but "feeling you have a chance to win" and a game being "exciting" doesn't win championships. This is the thing that just drives me CRAZY about the tunnel visioned S4L's...all they want is a hot shot QB. All they want is "excitement". Well going to a titty bar and seeing topless dancers is exciting, but if at the end of the night, you're going home with a hard on and didn't get any, was it worth all the money you spent just to go just end up going home hanging? Are there better QB's out there than Henne? Sure there are. Is Andrew Luck potentially better than Henne? Sure he is. Is Andrew Luck potentially another Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell? Mmhmm, that is also possible...but the question also remains....do the Dolphins have a myriad of problems that need addressing to the extent that everyone focusing all their hopes and dreams on Andrew Luck being drafted and he alone turning the team around being stupid and naive? Oh yea!
Umm, you DO know...defense can score points too. Ask the Jets who had three defensive touchdowns scored on them last week my Balitmore's defense
This is ridiculous. Clearly, this team we have now is REALLY REALLY AWFUL. Otherwise, these Suck for Luck conversations would not be happening. If you have the chance to take a franchise QB, you draft him. That doesn't fill every hole on your roster, but it sure does fill a damn big one. You basically are saying don't acquire a good QB because he have so many other holes. Should we not fill any holes we have on the roster just because we have other holes to fix? Makes no sense.
Isn't the phrase "The best defense is a good offense?" Three defensive scores in a game happens all the time though, I know, sorry I forgot that. If you cant count on several TDs from defense and special teams every game to overcome a woeful offense, what can you count on? Ah well, when you find Haloti Ngata (best DL in the NFL), Ray Lewis (possibly one of the best 25 all time NFL players) and Ed Reed (first ballot HoF) for us in the draft instead of Andrew Luck, let me know. An.nd you still seem to blithely ignore the fact that Andrew Luck is ... one pick. We still will have other draft picks, other drafts, UDFA's and free agency to continue building as well. No reason we need to forfeit the rest of the offseason.
After careful consideration, I can see trying to bring a fact based, intelligent, reasonable conversation to the table regarding my beloved Miami Dolphins is an exercise in futility. I present facts, You ignore them. I present offensive as well as defensive fact based analysis, You dismiss them all together. I present historical similarities, You want to remind me what year it is. I present all the issues conerning this team, You all are like broken records, "Stuck on Luck" I'm done...back to the PoFo where at least people with differing opinions don't dispute hard cold facts that stare them in the face but as I leave, I leave you with this... I have been a die hard Dolphins fan since 1972, the first year I ever watched football. Growing up in Jacksonville Beach, FL, I would watch the Dolphins play every Sunday...and every Sunday they won. While most here only know of the partial success of the Dolphins during the days of "The Chipmunk" as my grandfather used to call Marino, I'm one of the few here that can actually say I saw the Miami Dolphins win the Super Bowl...twice. The game of football hasn't changed. It's an offense trying to move the ball against the defense, trying to score. It's all a matter of who is better at their job that doctates who wins. A team with an offense that's better than a defense will win...a team with a defense that's better than an offense will win. It's all a matter of who plays better...one yard at a time. Some of the opinions here remind me of the short sightedness of stardom and excitement and fill stadiums, reminiscent of Cameron Diaz's character Christina Pagniacci in Any Given Sunday who, like Stephen Ross thought they knew football, but all they knew was entertainment...they know nothing of actual football. So should the football gods see fit, and those of you sacrificing chickens get your way and Andrew Luck is drafted by the Miami Dolphins...and no significant improvement is made in the team's overall performance, I'll light up a Cohiba, sit on the porch and bask in the knowledge that yet again I was right...shaking my head in disappointed laughter that the kids got what they asked for..but not what they wanted. I on the other hand will continue to root for my beloved Dolphins every Sunday and should the Dolphins progress and demonstrate proficeincy and win games, I will cheer in satisfaction that my team won and should we win 5 games or 10 games this season, as long as I see players that are producing, I will be satisfied, regardless of where we sit in the draft order selection...because I know that football is the ONLY true team sport there is. No one man on that field is more important than the other as none of them can do their job without someone else doing theirs...and seeing how this is a team sport, if a certain position team faulters and fails, the draft and free agency can be used to address those shortcomings...address the needs of the TEAM. Good luck...farewell...and GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!
No, you present some stats or a handful of game samples, and derive opinions based off them. Fair enough, but you outright dismiss anything but your own opinions, and blithely ignore the realities of a changing game. Here is a fact - the game today is specifically set up to favor offense through the fundamental rules of the game put out by the NFL and enforced by the refs. You simply cannot deny it, it isn't an opinion. The game is currently and fundamentally set up to favor QB's and WR's, by limiting when, where and how hard defenders can touch and hit them. The penalties for failing to observe these rules are harsh - 15 yard personal fouls, automatic first downs, and PI penalties that can jump an offense half the field or more. These fouls sustain drives and pick up chunk yardage. They demoralize defenses, and the give QB's and WR's the confidence to make a play knowing they will be protected doing it. It really is not a difficult concept to see. These rules are NOT the rules of 5, 10, 25 or 50 years ago, they are new and have entered the game recently. These are the rules of TODAY where the NFL is doing everything it can to promote offense and keep QB's and WR's safe. Is it that hard for you to see? You seem adept at seeing history, but why look at that instead of TODAY'S RULES OF THE GAME? Quick, which position gets the biggest bucks? The QB. What does that lead to? That leads to owners and the NFL damn well making sure they can do everything possible to keep those QB's upright. Simple logic right? Can you still do well with a good defense? Sure, but it's an uphill battle, and at the end of the day you still need an offense that makes big plays and can make a drive to win the game. You still want a good defense - both Green Bay and Pitt had good defenses last year - but you just do not pass on a QB the caliber of Luck if you are in position to draft him because you have a few defensive or other holes. You lock down QB and then plug the leaks, not the other way around.
Wrong...just wrong...Sage is a veteran career backup and that's what he's here for. Period. No mystery, this is not Dan Marino or Brat Favre in waiting. He's just a backup that has some experience under his belt. He's not as good as Henne was. He'll only see time if Moore falls completely on his face (which is possible)... Let's not get our panties in a twist...this is just a backup QB, not a savior...
Just, wow. Nothing else to say reading through this thread. People really do love mediocrity, and want it for the rest of their lives.
Tampa Bay KNEW the plays the Raiders were running cuz Callahan was an arrogant *** and didn't change a damn thing. Are we really talking about Sage "pride of ISU" Rosenfels? Can we start a sack of flour instead?
It's simple to us...the Dolphins have been doing this same thing since 2000 and have failed. This same mentality has been in Miami since Marino retired. People want that potential elite QB in the Top 5 of the draft, then they want them to fill in the O-Line and Defense through the rest of the draft and Free Agency and hope to eveverything that the new coaching staff knows what they're doing. Or, we could draft a RG in the Top 5 of the draft, then draft a reach QB in the 2nd round or bring back a mediocre QB which is what we've been doing to failed results since 2000. We want something truly different, to follow in the footsteps of the Packers and Patriots and be a top franchise again. We want our very own Aaron Rodgers with a great defense and running game that can punch it in at the goal line and pickup first downs. We don't want a mediocre QB with all that. That's what we've had since 2000. How many defensive pro bowlers did we have in 2002 and 2003? 7? Didn't even make the playoffs because of shotty coaching and a bad to mediocre passing game.
Wow, now there's a bit of keyboard masturbation that would make Omar Kelly and Armando Salguero blush.
Not so, this fan wants to win first and foremost, how that is accomplished I simply do not care, if that means 300 carries for DTrain, so be it, if it means drafting a Qb "with a #1 pick!" that is fine as well.
I know this is from page one but I had to comment on it. Do you just want to proven right? Fact is, we won't win out because our entire team sucks. Our DB's can't cover for ****, our D-line can't get good consistent pressure, our LB can't stop the run, our offense line is one of the worst in the NFL, our running backs are average without Daniel Thomas who has just shown flashes, our star Wr can't catch, and we now are on QB 2 as a result of the line. As for crying our eyes out... Where were the luck threads before the season? There wasn't any. That's because we all thought we would compete. We all wanted that. We're not getting it. So stop pretending we're all thrilled to death over another **** year. We're simply looking at the glass half full. Oh, and Sage sucks. He'll only see the field if/when Moore gets killed.
We are not on QB2 as a result of the line. We are on QB2 because a Major Mental Mistake was made on a handoff. Not that the line isn't a monumental embarrassment. It is.
GODDAMNIT!!! I had no idea you could get high on sage. I thought it was just an additive to stuff a turkey. Hope you are right, it will save me a LOT of money. LOL
