The pass intended for Shuler that was picked by Vasher was a result of the young tight end stopping and the qb expecting him to continue to run.
Monkey..can the monkey stack the boxes to reach the banana? This week, go three wide, no huddle, he was very effective, Murtha goes out with a injury in comes Berger, watch the whole thing grind to a halt. Key to Henne is, get the ball out quickly and give him options, if you try to use him as a "drop back Qb" he is a below average Qb, put him in three wides and in rhythm..he's really good.
Bess does a good job coming back to the ball, I think Bess catches that. My problem is the staff coaches not to lose, they don't coach to win. I have fallen off the Sparano wagon, he needs to go.
Doesn't matter. Pick a quarterback. It didn't stop the Chargers from bringing their franchise back. Where do we pick now by the way?
That's what we get when we DONT give a crap about the #2 TE position and get stuck with playing a practice squad player when Fasano goes down. What kind of timing etc can Henne possibly have with Shuler?! This is complete BS. If we had a decent #2 playing with Henne ALL season, then I doubt Chad throws a pick there.
Or at least Bess knocks it away. I hate how Henne gets all the blame. Our Oline, defense, slipping Wr's, stopping TE, and Sparano did not help him at all.
Exactly how you can blame Sparano or Henning for the terrible play of Henne today is beyond me. They weren't the ones throwing the ball to the players on the Lions. Henne was lucky to have the one TD throw he had. The ball should have been intercepted by the Lions defensive back. You are correct though. Henne certainly does look like he is just trying to learn the game. I have seen high school QB's who seem more poised in the pocket and show more knowledge than Henne does. I have said it many times on here and I will say it again. Henne was just as average QB in college and he is way over his head in the NFL. He has been outplayed by the quarterbacks on the Browns, Bills, and Lions in the Dolphins last three home games. These are three of the worst teams in the NFL. If Sparano and Henning are to be blames for anything this year. It is for sticking with Henne in the first place.
I just watched it again, I think your wrong, he comes back and the LBer has to go through him. But that is not the main problem to me, its the staff.
I'm not namecalling at all. I said hypocrite b/c "hypocrite" is a word that I feel properly suits this scenario. If you took it offensively, then I apologize..... however I still feel that anyone who is pointing fingers at Henne and the offense today while absolving the defense is being hypocritical.
The reason Henne struggles late is the same problem we've had all year, predictability. Everybody knows that Henne will take the check down so opponents can feel comfortable jumping the route. We know that's been how he's been coached, so you can't let the coaches off the hook for that. As for the INTs, I don't think the first one was an inaccuracy problem. That one was a communication issue as Shuler clearly stopped running. The pass would have been spot on if Shuler had kept running. Now that looked like a zone to me so the general rule of thumb would be for Shuler to stop. If so then that would still be on Henne, but it was not an inaccurate pass. If Shuler was supposed to keep running then it would not be on Henne at all. The pick six was a risky pass, but Bess obviously fell down. IMO the bigger issue is the predictability. The defender jumped the route b/c he knew that Bess would pull up.
Bess fell down. Shuler stopped his route, Henne led him towards the sideline as if he expected him to continue. Maybe it was on Henne, maybe not. I do blame Henne for the TD pass he threw to Bess, it was a terrible decision. And the stop route to Marshall, where Vasher nearly pick six'd him was ugly as well. OTOH, we're up 10 with 4+ minutes to go, and as always, we can run the ball, at all. Big physical OL, big physical backs, cant move the ball worth a sh^t. We're still relying on Henne to bail us out, and as usual, he didn't. Did you see what Jahvid Best did there? He took a routine play and turned it into a TD. He's a PLAYMAKER. Ever heard of one of those? Levy, the LB? Ball hit him in the hands, he made the INT and scored. PLAYMAKER. Our guys drop those, EVERY TIME. It's the difference between winning and losing most days, playmakers. So let's not point the finger at this one person or that one person, the team lost, for the same reasons we've lost all year: No playmakers, no running game, defense blowing opportunities. Nothng new here.
We're supposed to be talking about the game, the coaches and the players right? You don't like or agree with something someone says attack the post and don't point fingers. No appologies needed. I'm not a mod here but our conversations will end with things like that...
I watched it a few times. Bess was pulling up and the ball continued in the direction he was running. That Lb'er was getting his hands on that pass no matter what. It's a pick or a batted ball and thats being nice. Dude had a pretty good break on the ball so i dont know if Bess woulda touched it but trying to give some doubt because usually he plays smart.
If ANYTHING, Chad put us in position to WIN this game by moving the ball through a tough wind and getting us the lead when our ground game couldn't do it. Chad is the ONLY reason we had a shot in the first place today. ONLY REASON. Did our ground game do it? NO. Did our defense play lights out all game? NO. Did our special teams play lights out? NO. But AGAIN, it's ALL Chad's fault when our crappy coaching staff puckers up their *** and plays for a FG rather than a win, our defense gives up a huge TD to LET the Lions back in the game, and then we throw EVERYTHING on Henne's young shoulders to help save the day. That's bullcrap. If we had a ground game that could CONSISTENTLY move the ball, we wouldn't have to worry about ANY of this.
Well, if I were Ross, I'd keep Sparano retire Henning, and make it clear to him that late seasons collapses have costs better coaches than Sparano their jobs. I can be objective about the game as it doesn't really matter as sooo many people were happy to say, we were out of the playoffs, what bothers me is good teams get stronger as the season rolls along, we haven't and it has been that way for the last two seasons. Basically, we had that management boogeyman show up, Cascading Failures in every unit, as much as some would like to pin it solely on Henne, there were several problems that manifested themselves in every unit.
I didn't see Bess pulling up. I saw him trying to plant & break and his feet went out from under him.
Because when your head is spinning trying to make sense out of what the morons in charge are telling you, you're going to make mistakes. I'm not saying Henne would turn out to be a great qb on another team but he's not in an environment that is helping him. In fact they're hurting him.
We lost this game when we had 1st & goal from the 17 and decided to play for 3 points. You play gutless at home against Detroit in a meaningless game, as far as playoff implications go, and you deserve to lose. That was just pathetic. I have a hard time rooting for a team that plays like that. Once again, I think people are quick to jump on Henne, but I thought he played fine for the most part. The stream cut out on the first pick. So I can't say what happened there. But on the second pick, he chose to throw to Bess in double coverage, and Bess slipped. Moore was probably more open, but Moore also has a tendency to drop balls. Bess does not. Bess has been Henne's security blanket on 3rd down for the last two seasons. So I can see why he would go to him. Was it a mistake? Maybe. But as Dave Hyde was suggesting today on Twitter, what does it say about these young WRs (Wallace and Moore) that this regime has talked up that the second Hartline went down we felt the need to sign a street free agent who had just recovered from testicular cancer to play ahead of them? If you want Henne to throw to the open guy rather than Bess in that situation, then I think you have to be willing to place some of the blame on Ireland and Sparano for not getting him targets. They admitted as much when they played Kevin Curtis four days after signing him. I'm not trying to cover for Henne. I'm simply stating the facts. I'm not at all shocked that Henne would try to force the ball in to Bess rather than throw it to Marlon Moore or Mickey Shuler on a crucial 3rd down. None of us should be. At this point, I am more than willing to concede that Henne deserves legitimate competition, if not outright replacement, this offseason. Of course, I've been saying for weeks, even as I defended him, that we should at least give him some competition. But I also think Henne deserves a shot to keep his starting spot under a new offensive staff with a steady offensive line and at least two additional playmakers at RB and WR/TE. Look at what Kansas City has been able to do by adding a little speed and bringing in a quality offensive staff. I'd also point out that, once again, we seemed to shy away from 3 and 4 WR sets even though they worked when we used them early on. It seems like whenever we have a situation where I think a 3 WR set might be a good choice we end up trotting out a bunch formation with two RBs and a TE in the backfield. It's really frustrating. If Tony Sparano and Dan Henning are not fired, I'd really have to question how much Stephen Ross actually cares about the investment he has made in this team. Bill Parcells has abandoned a sinking ship. There's no reason to have any faith in the staff members he left behind, particularly not after going 1-7 at home. In fact, if I were Jeff Ireland, I'd probably be a little worried as well.
O did put up 24 pts, were was this shut down defense? Nowhere to be seen, ditto ST two fumbles and a long return at a key moment in the game. Basically, the Dolphins played bad football.
Also, anyone who is going to criticize Henne for the "check down" to Ronnie with :19 seconds left is just looking for reasons to hate the kid. That was a designed play all the way. When you see the angle from the endzone, it is obvious that Marshall was sent out to block in front of Ronnie. Henning probably hoped that Ronnie could catch the ball, and with Marshall's help, pick up 7-12 yards and get out of bounds, setting up a more intermediate shot at the endzone with the last play. I am 100% certain that it was a designed play. So to criticize Henne at all for it is just grasping at straws, in my opinion. As far as the call goes, I really don't know what to think. With no timeouts, it just strikes me as an incredibly risky "conservative" play because you have to acknowledge that what ultimately did happen to us is a possibility. If you really want to try to pick up some intermediate yards before taking your shot, I think it makes more sense to send Marshall on a comeback along the sideline since the defense is probably thinking he's headed for the endzone.
These are 2 of the 4 main reasons we lost the game, along with not having Dansby, and having a piss poor overall WR-TE cast playing.
Im still pissed at Dansby b/c had an easy pick go through his hands last week (result=TD) but at least he was in position. Dobbins, he's was out there getting roasted all day.
Perhaps you missed the TD to Bess. Because if you saw it. You would realize that it should have been intercepted. In fact if one of the defensive backs on the Dolphins had made that same play. Dolphin fans would be blaming the defensive back for not making the interception. They certainly wouldn't be stating that the QB threw a good pass. The fact is that it is up to the QB to not throw interceptions when his team has a 10 point lead late in the fourth quarter. That is exactly what Henne did. He also once again failed to lead the team down the field in the last two minutes of the game. Is it all Henne's fault? Obviously others on the team share in this defeat. But the one consistent during this entire season has been the subpar play of Henne. Especially when the game is on the line. I have no desire to see him as the QB of the Dolphins after this season. If he goes somewhere else and turns things around. More power to him. As for the Dolphins. They need to make finding a new QB their number one priority in the off season.
That's what I was screaming, it was a called screen to a RB with 19 seconds left. I'm so done with this staff.
Exactly. This was complete TEAM loss. Not one aspect of our team played quality ball as far as I'm concerned. Henne played great for most of the game (considering the weather). He shouldn't have had this entire game riding on his shoulders like it did. Other guys have to step up and win it. Stop dropping passes and INTs. Stop with ST errors. Not sure how we can stop all the injuries, but it would be nice if we could.
#1 on the list is the coaching staff by far, they are so dam conservative. They coach not to lose, they don't coach to win.
That pass to Bess would never have been intercepted. Worst case scenario is it's an incomplete pass. Henne had a small window to squeeze that into. It wasn't a bad pass...... especially considering it was INTO THE WIND.
Agreed. The defender made a nice play on the ball. He turned, got squared, and jumped at the right time to be in a position to make the play. But it was a tough throw, and I don't think it was a bad pass at all, all things considered.
yeah ok. Let's see here: -4th QTR---- horrible wind in his face. -poor ground game -completely dismantled Oline -3 undrafted FA rookie WR/TE in the game & 1 guy fresh off the street -players stopping routes, falling down, and dropping passes -no vertical threats -switching to 2 WR sets and having him throw which is allowing Detroit to put pressure on him -putting the game on his shoulders considering ALL the above Of course, silly of me to think that this makes Henne the scapegoat. What was I thinking?!
Same here, if they lack anything it is the aggressiveness to consistently push the envelope, it is like the run right up to the edge of being aggressive, then run away from being aggressive. I do not disagree with kicking that FG, it was smart football, however as soon as a I heard 'Dolphins lined up in the I formation" I knew they had lost that edge, they should have kept it at 3 wides and attacking the whole field..they just would not do it...
