Heading into the Draft 5 questions for..the Offense

Even if Grice-Mullen shows something, which isn't a good bet at this point, it's pretty unlikely Bess is going to get beyond our 3rd best receiver either to the point where they'd be willing to move someone with his talent/cost.

 

Fun? A disaster is fun?

And it's Chadley, not Chadwick...lol

 

Find the post, you're the one who accused me of contradicting myself and now you're trying to weasel out of it?

Do you have any idea how many times they've thrown to one of the wide-outs in the Wildcat?

Or how many times they've thrown to the Jet sweep guy in the Wildcat?

 

You told me it was ridiculous to want to see White at WR and then went on to back the FO on their assumption that he could be an NFL QB.....if you want to lie, go for it. I could care less....

When you put White out there in that position, it's going to be more than obvious what he's going to do.......he certainly isn't going to block now is he?

Not to mention, running the Jet sweep requires some physical presence......if it were just a typical end around, we'd just use Ginn in that role.

White is only dangerous out in space..... he either learns to catch a football or he's not long for this league.

 

This is what you said-

Now you're refusing to do it when you get called on it? Wow, I wonder why?

Given that the Jet Sweep guy has been the exact same player virtually every snap of the Wildcat ever, how does the predictability enter into it?

And while you're at it, answer my question that you're transparently dodging- How many times has any wideout been thrown the ball in the Wildcat? How many times has the Jet sweep guy been thrown to?

Not interested in your talent assessment.

 

You're the one wanting to put the wrong type of player in that spot..... why? Just to find something he can do? And leave the better player out?

It's important to move Pat White to WR in order to try and get some value from that pick......as far as I'm concerned, he doesn't even belong in the wildcat. He's not physical enough for it.....

As far as searching for your post, I looked and I'm just not interested in pouring through all of the threads that mention Pat White. But you're doing a fine job in re-enforcing what I've said many times. Your main interest on this forum is showing ppl up.

The real issue here is that you think Pat White is a better candidate to run the Jet sweep....

 

It's not pouring, either. It's very, very simple. Go to search, put my name in the box for poster name, put "Pat White" in what to search for, click the General forum, then look for the threads you posted in.

I'd do it for you if I thought the post actually existed or could gather a halfway coherent point for what you're accusing me of.

See the above about not caring about your talent assessment.

First of all, Pat White hasn't actually lined up in the Wildcat but once or twice and it's not actually his job or what he was drafted for.

No, it's not. That's the issue you've moved on to after you've repeatedly lied about what I've said and shot your mouth off about things you don't actually know as much as you pretend.

We'll go with your fourth string argument though.

What, exactly, about Pat White makes him unfit to do something that is essentially a task for Wide Receivers more often than not?

 

I'm done with your attempts at baiting me into getting pissed off ...........go wait in the bushes for somebody else you can jump on. Why you're allowed to do what you do is baffling.... you're bad for business.

I suggest putting me on ignore and I'll do the same.........for the sake of others.

 

Nah man, we're enjoying this.

 

It's not about impressing anyone, I don't think you are in any danger of doing that. It's about having the basic ability to back up what you are saying.

They'd be as wrong as you are.

Virtually all of Pat White's snaps have been in the Shotgun Triple Option that he ran in West Virginia or in the Pistol(Vs. New England). I don't think there was any actual "Wildcat" formation snaps except a couple vs. the Falcons where he lined up wide instead of Chad Henne.

There's nothing inherently smashmouth about the Jet Sweep part. It doesn't go between the tackles. You're essentially picking a hole between the fullbacks off tackle block and the #3 back split out wide. It's identical to the reverse wide receivers across the league run 100+ times a season.

 

lol...yeah right up until I get banned.......no thanks

 

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Because there are three of those low cost/high production players that can do the same exact thing. One of them will go and Camarillo's injury history tells me he would be it.

 

Henne is the future

 

There....you've shared your opinion, I've shared mine. Have a nice day, Mr Congeniality

 

I don't think Greg Camarillo, Davone Bess, and I'm assuming Brian Hartline occupy the same skill-set.

Camarillo is a stereotypical possession receiver, Davone Bess a stereotypical slot receiver, and Hartline is still a question mark, but you can't peg him in either of those two stereotypes with 16.3 yards a catch.

 

God I wish this would happen....

 

No more freebies tho...if you want more I'll send you my paypal info

 

Well, at least you're honest. Oh wait...

How does that kind of stuff "not work"? Tyler Thigpen in '08, Michael Vick under Dan Reeves, Pat White when he got more than 2 carries here. There's good evidence that stuff "works". Just not as a base offense, which no one is asking it to be.

So what? Ricky Williams does a good job of it, I'm not suggesting otherwise. But suggesting Pat White can't do it is ridiculous.

Are you really going to act like a victim after you just got done lying about me and then getting caught doing it and then embarrassing yourself by getting essentially every verifiable fact wrong after the fact when you claimed you'd teach me something?

 

hmmmm maybe you should try to JS.....see quote below.....

 

1) Henne is the man. has to refine a few things, but he's the eventual Franchise QB
2) got an answer to the Running Back Stable: GinnJr. to the Raiders & a #4 pick for Mc Fadden
3) Smiley will start as long as he is a Dolphin & can stay healthy. plenty of quality depth @ guard. not to worry the Pod remains the strength of the franchise
4) Fasano will show up & so will an excellent pick from this years draft to compete @ the TE position
5) can assure you who the top gun @ WR will be: Brian Hartline & Pat Turner may surprise

should come back from the draft w/ needed reinforcements @ TE, NT, OLB, FS & WR.

 

The only embarrassment is for me to have continued engaging you.... and I'm wrong in your eyes, so what? You're nobody to me

You really have some issues....... you are by far the rudest person I have ever come across on the internet and I have a feeling it stems from being picked on as a youth. And I see why.....

 

That's not in any sense what you said existed, and now you've essentially admitted to looking and not finding it after making a bull**** excuse to cover up lying.

Yup, he didn't do much his rookie year, and that might mean he does suck.

But you've not done anything besides repeat over and over that you don't like him.

It shouldn't be as hard as it seems for you to come up with an argument to that effect, then?

Which is of course why you keep doing it. Badly.

And I thought Sigmund Freud was long dead.

 

Henne is the best QB we've had since Marino left. Strong arm, accurate. Good poise, stands strong in the pocket, solid footwork and fundamentals. Needs to work on his rocketballs to backs and TEs, and he had alot of tipped balls turn into INTs. But overall, I think he played great. Just think, of all the excuses you hear for 7-9, no one uses Penne's injury. Thats says alot about Henne's play.

2-All the questionable players on Offense, Rotten Richie Incognito, Ronnie Brown's annual injury, Ricky W pushing 33, and Lex Hilliard a 240 pd back who goes down like a 190 pd back..

Regardless of who plays LG, OL will contnue to be a strength. Smiley is vastly overrated IMO. Good puller, but not a straight ahead blocker. Doesnt drive his feet, pushes defenders instead of blocking them, resulting in him being shed/unable to hold his blocks. Ronnie isnt a concern for me, he's had three hard luck injuries (hand, foot, knee) so hopfully his luck will turn. Lex and Cobbs will battle it out, I dont see us keeping 4 RBs unless one of them is a new draftee.


3.Who plays LG?

I like Berger and Garner as backups, so hopefully Incognito can switch over to LG.


4. Which Anthony Fasano shows up in 2010? The 8 TD one, or the 2 fumbles in one game one?

Same guy IMO. Except one was hurt and one was healthy. Also, Penne was a habitually checking the ball down. One glance downfield then he'd look to dump it somewhere, Fasano saw alot more balls b/c of that. Not knockin him, Penne just lacks the arm strength to operate any other way.
Henne looks outside and deep first, then middle and short. He has the arm strength to throw it whereever he wants. And alot of young QBs are more comfortable throwing outside, where its easier to read the D and alot less traffic. As he gets more experience, Henne should start using the whole field more.

5. Who is draws the short straw on the Receiving Corps?

Excellent question. Hartline and Bess are near locks. Turner gets at least one more year. So if we draft a WR, that leaves either Camarillo or Ginn in the wind. If we take a R1 or R2 guy I think we'd trade Ginn for whatever we could get and call it a day. If we dont get a #1 type guy, we'll probably have to keep Teddy since he's our only field stretcher.

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with a traditional type tight end. Guys like Jason Witten, Todd Heap, Kevin Boss, Brent Celek, etc. are still high quality receivers.

I think you are being a bit harsh on Haynos, too. He's an underrated blocker and can play both TE and H-Back. I'd like to see him gain some weight, but he's a quite good #3 TE.

 

Have fun talking to yourself from here out

 

Washers keep the nuts from coming loose and falling off. We need washers too.

 

Thigpen on the trading block would make ZERO sense!!!! You may be comfortable going into the season with only the brittle and rehabbing Penny and the never done nothing White as Henne's backups. I am not. I'd rather get rid of both Penny and White, even if simply cutting them, before I'd trade Thigpen. Unless a team wants to offer a 2nd, then maybe.
A QB depth chart on opening day of Henne/Thigpen/Zac Robinson (for example), would looks ten times better than depth chart of Henne/White/Pennington, IMO.

 

I agree.
Grice-Mullen isn't close to Bess on anything but hair and speed.

 

Actually it's neither. It's James.

 

Truer words never spoken, IMO.

 

Haynos is an average blocker IMO. And a horrible reciever. If youre going to stink it up as a receiver you have to be a dynamite blocker or vice versa. Haynos is neither. Im hoping we draft a TE in the 4th-6th round who can come in and be that seam buster b/c Haynos isnt the answer there.

 

I still remember how hard I laughed when I saw Draft Countdown mocking White to us in the second round. I vowed to never go back to thier site b/c they obviously had no idea what they were talking about. No way Miami is going to waste 2nd round pick like that, or so I thought. Oops.

 

It's interesting that PFF ranks Fasano as the 2nd best run blocking TE and Haynos the 11th best, in the league. For whatever it's worth. I think run blocking is a trait that Parcells holds in high regard for his tight ends. Haynos overall grade ranks him 21st of 61 TEs. Fasano ranks 7th for overall.

 

Seriously, I said he played great last year?

Now you're lying about what I said in the thread I said it in?

Which makes absolutely loads of sense how upset you've gotten and you're ditching to save face about 10 posts too late.

What is this, the third time you've said something to that effect?

 

Not to mention he looks like he's having a seizure while he's running down the field....