Hard not to miss this fire

"Bumrush wrote:

Football is a team sport. You can have all the fire in the world and if the talent around you is mediocre it won't matter. Look at Marino. 10x the fire of Landry and we still had plenty of down season with him leading the charge.

So then "the fire" is pointless.

"Fin-O wrote:

I get that, and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But the team offered him 11M a year. So how bad were these issues really, if the “victims” of Landry’s tirades, tried to keep him on the team?

But yea, I will root for him to do well in Cle, but I understand the offensive philosophy without him.

I strongly believe the contract offer was more a PR move. They knew what the gap was, held firm to their number. I don't think Gase wanted him on the team. It was apparent that during TC 2017 they were prepared to play hardball and see how he acted during the 17 season. His subsequent implosion and attitude sealed his fate here. Remember, there was a lot of chatter that he was on the trading block before the deadline.

"Fin-O wrote:

Can’t argue against that. But my point is, when he was here 95% of us loved that about him, and now that he’s gone? We are all anti Jarvis guy’s who we are soooo glad his one dimensional *** is gone!

Just a silly overall reaction in my opinion

Yeah, I loved him...until I started finding out about his doucher tendencies. Once I heard about those things, I totally flipped my stance on him. Add in how much he washed to get paid, and I am glad he's gone.

"Fin D wrote:

So then "the fire" is pointless.

It's not pointless. Having leaders and fire can have a net positive impact, how you measure that I don't know..

"Bumrush wrote:

I strongly believe the contract offer was more a PR move. They knew what the gap was, held firm to their number. I don't think Gase wanted him on the team. It was apparent that during TC 2017 they were prepared to play hardball and see how he acted during the 17 season. His subsequent implosion and attitude sealed his fate here. Remember, there was a lot of chatter that he was on the trading block before the deadline.

Well they also franchised him. That tells me they were prepared to live with big bad Jarvis another year if they couldn’t find a trade partner.

Alls well ends well, best for everyone in the end I assume.

"Fin-O wrote:

Well they also franchised him. That tells me they were prepared to live with big bad Jarvis another year if they couldn’t find a trade partner.

Alls well ends well, best for everyone in the end I assume.

I think they overestimated his value on the open market...

Wouldn't be the first time Tannenbaum misjudged a situation.

They also had a potential PR nightmare, whether they admitted it or not, Landry was the face of the franchise so they had to at least create the facade that they working with him. I don't envy the position they were in. In retrospect they should have traded him at the deadline as they probably could have received more in return.

They made the best of a bad situation in the end. I have no complaints.
Just glad he's gone.

"Bumrush wrote:

It's not pointless. Having leaders and fire can have a net positive impact, how you measure that I don't know..

IMO, there is the right kind of fire and the wrong kind. For example, I think Jakeem Grant has the right kind of fire. He works hard and has the right temperament.

"Bumrush wrote:

It's not pointless. Having leaders and fire can have a net positive impact, how you measure that I don't know..

WADR, if you don't know how to measure it, you cannot say it has a net positive impact. That's like saying you won a game of one on one but never kept score.

"Den54 wrote:

They made the best of a bad situation in the end. I have no complaints.
Just glad he's gone.

Damn Den, you're avatar just reminded me of CNC66.. I wonder what happened to him?

"Surfs Up 99 wrote:

IMO, there is the right kind of fire and the wrong kind. For example, I think Jakeem Grant has the right kind of fire. He works hard and has the right temperament.

I suppose one could argue that the right kind of fire helps and not hurts the team. Which he did both.

"Bumrush wrote:

Damn Den, you're avatar just reminded me of CNC66.. I wonder what happened to him?

It's been a few years but last I heard he had fallen on hard times. He was one of my favorite members.

"Den54 wrote:

It's been a few years but last I heard he had fallen on hard times. He was one of my favorite members.

Just a genuinely good guy. Went through a lot in his life. I hope he is still alive.

"Bumrush wrote:

Just a genuinely good guy. Went through a lot in his life. I hope he is still alive.

Azfinfanmang aka Kenny was as well. Miss those guys.

"Den54 wrote:

Azfinfanmang aka Kenny was as well. Miss those guys.

Starting to wonder if we can add BPK (barry) to that list. He was always a joy to have around the site, and just up and vanished.

"Fin-O wrote:

Starting to wonder if we can add BPK (barry) to that list. He was always a joy to have around the site, and just up and vanished.

Nabo Cane as well.

"Bumrush wrote:

I wonder what the narrative would be if Tannehill leaves!! OMG I hope he wins 5 Super Bowls with the Patriots now that he has signed there!!!!!

:tongue:

Secretly, I would love to see what Tannehill would look like in the Patriots system.

"resnor wrote:

Secretly, I would love to see what Tannehill would look like in the Patriots system.

Well, I suppose I'd rather face Ryan than Tom twice a year so sign me up.

"Fin-O wrote:

Well, I suppose I'd rather face Ryan than Tom twice a year so sign me up.

lol.. great response. But I'd also like to see what any other supposedly average QB (Tannehill or not) would do in that system for a few years because it would help answer the question of how much of NE's success is due to Brady vs. Belichick.

"cbrad wrote:

lol.. great response. But I'd also like to see what any other supposedly average QB (Tannehill or not) would do in that system for a few years because it would help answer the question of how much of NE's success is due to Brady vs. Belichick.

From the little bit we've seen, I think Garappolo is a better QB than Brady. The guy is 10-0 as a starter in the league (for two teams...the best and the worst) and he sees the field beautifully- Brady did us a huge favor by getting him shipped out. I also think that's going to sink the franchise though in these upcoming years when Brady gets hurt or retires.

"cbrad wrote:

lol.. great response. But I'd also like to see what any other supposedly average QB (Tannehill or not) would do in that system for a few years because it would help answer the question of how much of NE's success is due to Brady vs. Belichick.

I’m not knocking RT by saying Brady is better. Kinda of obvious save to maybe a few around here. I think he may be better than he has here in NE, but Tom’s ball placement and poised would be hard to match by many.

So I basically think being on that team and that system would bump an average QB up to good, but still not many I feel would reach Tom’s level. He is the reigning MVP after all.

"KeyFin wrote:

From the little bit we've seen, I think Garappolo is a better QB than Brady. The guy is 10-0 as a starter in the league (for two teams...the best and the worst) and he sees the field beautifully- Brady did us a huge favor by getting him shipped out. I also think that's going to sink the franchise though in these upcoming years when Brady gets hurt or retires.

Agreed. I’m glad we don’t have to graduate Tom just to move on to Jimmy.

If I were a franchise and could take any QB the next 5 years?? Garap would be in that top 5 for me.

"KeyFin wrote:

From the little bit we've seen, I think Garappolo is a better QB than Brady. The guy is 10-0 as a starter in the league (for two teams...the best and the worst) and he sees the field beautifully- Brady did us a huge favor by getting him shipped out. I also think that's going to sink the franchise though in these upcoming years when Brady gets hurt or retires.

7-0.. which is a REALLY small sample size, so I think the jury is still quite a ways out on him.

Also, I think Brady is one of the all-time greats so it's going to take a lot before I'd agree any QB is better than Brady. The adjusted ratings I did before shows you might have maybe 10 QB's since the mid 70's that you could argue are statistically better in terms of efficiency, but in terms of wins added it's less than a handful.

"cbrad wrote:

7-0.. which is a REALLY small sample size, so I think the jury is still quite a ways out on him.

Also, I think Brady is one of the all-time greats so it's going to take a lot before I'd agree any QB is better than Brady. The adjusted ratings I did before shows you might have maybe 10 QB's since the mid 70's that you could argue are statistically better in terms of efficiency, but in terms of wins added it's less than a handful.

I thought he was 6-0 in San Fran and 4-0 when Brady served the suspension the other year. I could be wrong though.

Across his career I agree with you, nobody has been so consistent for so long. He's had so many horrible games against Miami though that I've just never ranked him as an elite QB. I think he benefits greatly from that system and he wouldn't have any rings without Belichek. That's just my opinion though.

"KeyFin wrote:

I thought he was 6-0 in San Fran and 4-0 when Brady served the suspension the other year. I could be wrong though.

Yeah here are the stats:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaroJi00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaroJi00/gamelog/

7-0 in games started and only one game he didn't start did he have over 10 attempts (which was a loss btw).