Hard not to miss this fire

You know, it's important to note that how we feel about Jarvis after the fact is a personal opinion rather it's right or wrong on any of our parts is unknown and unprovable.

So anyone claiming otherwise, or trying to poke fun for those of us who didn't flip the switch to acting like Jarvis was a horrible guy and nobody wanted him, aren't "loving it" we are simply just seeing it differently.

No reason for anyone to hop on a high horse over something so basic.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

I'm not sure how to take that video. Almost sounded like a verbal beat down of his teammates. Guess we'll see how it translates on the field during games.

I think teammates that WANT to change that culture and WANT to work will respect it. We all know he at the very least busts his ass in practice and games.

However after that team is like 1-5? All bets are off in regards to how he responds i think.

I do think he's being honest in the clip.

Whether or not it's effective is up for debate. I was having flashbacks of Jameis Winston's infamous "Eat a W" pregame hype up while I was watching.

"Fin-O wrote:

Typical young wr

there’s lots of young receivers that would be grateful for that contract and have the class to not crap on the guy that threw you the rock more targets than any other receiver, if he had half a brain he would know that the targets given allowed him to make that amount of catches, he displays no ability to have perspective

"djphinfan wrote:

there’s lots of young receivers that would be grateful for that contract and have the class to not crap on the guy that threw you the rock more targets than any other receiver, if he had half a brain he would know that the targets given allowed him to make that amount of catches, he displays no ability to have perspective

I'm not going to defend the attitudes that many of these young good successful WR's have, however it is quite common and we wanted to keep this WR that all of a sudden everyone around here is claiming is a worthless head case who is only good because of his targets.

I just can't be THAT guy.

"Fin-O wrote:

I'm not going to defend the attitudes that many of these young good successful WR's have, however it is quite common and we wanted to keep this WR that all of a sudden everyone around here is claiming is a worthless head case who is only good because of his targets.

I just can't be THAT guy.

I get what your saying, he’s not an easy eval.. but it’s quite possible his personality and locker room presence was not team oriented, none of us know for sure.. we did see selfish signs, and we see how he was when he departed, which like I said, doesn’t reflect well on who he was when he was here, what don’t we know about him ya know?

I agree that we loved him in our uniform and on our field, but wouldnt you agree only for the right price point?

O, he’s out in public right now telling everyone that because he was blessed by god to play football he now goes around to everyone saying “ bless you”

That’s crazy talk man

"djphinfan wrote:

I get what your saying, he’s not an easy eval.. but it’s quite possible his personality and locker room presence was not team oriented, none of us know for sure.. we did see selfish signs, and we see how he was when he departed, which like I said, doesn’t reflect well on who he was when he was here, what don’t we know about him ya know?

I agree that we loved him in our uniform and on our field, but wouldnt you agree only for the right price point?

O, he’s out in public right now telling everyone that because he was blessed by god to play football he now goes around to everyone saying “ bless you”

That’s crazy talk man

I totally do not believe he was team oriented during those frustrating times last season.

We want to give Adam Gase, Devante Parker and the team as a whole all these passes for 2016 because of Jay Cutler, hurricanes, and coaches doing blow off of escorts....

But some (not you) seem to insist on demonizing an obvious emotional player who was frustrated with the situation he found himself in as well. And the fact the team offered to make him our highest paid WR tells me that we most likely are overanalyzing or overexaggerating the talks he was the modern day T.O.

Again, I can't tell you I would've been happy with paying him what the Browns did, I do think him not being here can possibly make us a better offense in the long-run. I fully support our team trading him.

I just refuse to attack his character to make myself feel better about the situation, that's too typical of how people on social media react to just about everything.

My comments

1) Knowing the camera is there changes how people behave, so I don’t know enough about Landry’s off camera behaviour to know if that is genuine or not. If it isn’t how he behaves when the cameras aren’t there then it will not work.
2) Not knowing the context, but if one of the people he was calling out was genuinely injured then what he said could backfire badly. On the other hand if other players were not working through fatigue then it could be effective.
3) he inferred this was what was done in the past at the Browns, but he wasn’t there. Again this has a risk of blowing up in his face if the Wrs from last year think he’s spouting off about things he doesn’t know about.
4) “That s#&t is contaigous” hmmm, maybe a reference to Devante Parker.

Without knowing more about the situation/background I’d say it is more likely to turn his teammates against him than motivate them, but if it was in the right situation it could have been effective.

"Fin-O wrote:

You know, it's important to note that how we feel about Jarvis after the fact is a personal opinion rather it's right or wrong on any of our parts is unknown and unprovable.

So anyone claiming otherwise, or trying to poke fun for those of us who didn't flip the switch to acting like Jarvis was a horrible guy and nobody wanted him, aren't "loving it" we are simply just seeing it differently.

No reason for anyone to hop on a high horse over something so basic.

I was a massive Landry fan up until around week 9 or 10 last year. He had that violent block over the middle of the field and lots of folks said it was dirty....I personally didn't think so. But then a series later a few players get nose to nose and Landry is in the corner of the screen punching an opponent in the neck (the refs didn't see it). And just like that, all my fandom flipped from a fanatic to a skeptic.

He had several more stupid penalties in the following games and those 1st down celebrations started to piss me off- you don't celebrate a six yard catch when you're down 20. What really did me in on him was AFTER game 17 when he punches a guy, then said "There was nothing else I could do- the guy choked me!" He had almost two hours to reflect on starting a brawl and his very first response was that it wasn't his fault. That tells me he's just too darn immature and doesn't get it at all- he had to be traded in my opinion and I would have lost respect for the team if they didn't.

He is absolutely a cancer and he never once bought into what Gase was trying to accomplish. It was always about money and fame for him. It took me 4 years to see that and he literally convinced me to hate him over that six-game stretch. That's never happened to me before in any sport, with any athlete. I honestly feel more fan-loyal to Jay Cutler than Landry at this point...that's how disgusting his final six weeks in Miami were.

You guys have no idea how hard I'm rooting for Cleveland to go 0-16 again.

I love this video...whether Jarvis did it for the cameras or not. This is the type of fire I felt like I saw every Sunday and I will miss seeing it tremendously. Do I think our team is worse off? I think Jarvis is a really good player that got overpaid. As good as Jarvis is, I am not sure we are worse off because of our other WR additions.

Regardless, still love him and his passion.

If this fire is so great, why were we not great when he was here with all that fire?

"Pauly wrote:

My comments

1) Knowing the camera is there changes how people behave, so I don’t know enough about Landry’s off camera behaviour to know if that is genuine or not. If it isn’t how he behaves when the cameras aren’t there then it will not work.
2) Not knowing the context, but if one of the people he was calling out was genuinely injured then what he said could backfire badly. On the other hand if other players were not working through fatigue then it could be effective.
3) he inferred this was what was done in the past at the Browns, but he wasn’t there. Again this has a risk of blowing up in his face if the Wrs from last year think he’s spouting off about things he doesn’t know about.
4) “That s#&t is contaigous” hmmm, maybe a reference to Devante Parker.

Without knowing more about the situation/background I’d say it is more likely to turn his teammates against him than motivate them, but if it was in the right situation it could have been effective.

Pretty sure it was the cameras, and if players sensed it, then that team is toast.

"KeyFin wrote:

You guys have no idea how hard I'm rooting for Cleveland to go 0-16 again.

I can't bring myself to root against Cleveland. 1-31 last two years and 4-44 last 3? Got to be terrible for the fans. Hate their uniform colors but I'll be quite pleased if they win a decent number of games.

I also want to see at least SOME success with their moneyball strategy. Go 0-16 or so again and it will seriously inhibit future experimentation like that in the NFL. I personally don't think statistics is that useful for drafting purposes, but I also don't think it's completely useless, and you need teams to experiment like that to find out what works and what doesn't.

"Nappy Roots wrote:

I love this video...whether Jarvis did it for the cameras or not. This is the type of fire I felt like I saw every Sunday and I will miss seeing it tremendously. Do I think our team is worse off? I think Jarvis is a really good player that got overpaid. As good as Jarvis is, I am not sure we are worse off because of our other WR additions.

Regardless, still love him and his passion.

Look at the body language of the other people in the room.
By my count there was one person genuinely engaged by what he was saying (front left), one half engaged/half bored (front right). The guy in the middle right looked switched off, but the other 2 in the back row were giving very defensive body language. Now body language is very inexact especially when looking at individuals you don’t know well for a short time, so we can’t assume too much.

However, the majority of the body language I saw was negative. Now if that is a true indication of how it was recieved in the room he may well have caused more harm than good with that speech.

I had mixed feelings about Jarvis, basically when you went back to his efficiency numbers they didn’t add up to anything special, even though I felt really positive about his on-field effort.

"cbrad wrote:

I can't bring myself to root against Cleveland. 1-31 last two years and 4-44 last 3? Got to be terrible for the fans. Hate their uniform colors but I'll be quite pleased if they win a decent number of games.

I also want to see at least SOME success with their moneyball strategy. Go 0-16 or so again and it will seriously inhibit future experimentation like that in the NFL. I personally don't think statistics is that useful for drafting purposes, but I also don't think it's completely useless, and you need teams to experiment like that to find out what works and what doesn't.

Well, if you look at their drafts over the past several years, they've completely missed over and over again. Then they turn around and make Landry one of the highest paid receivers in the game- I just can't see him making that much of an impact when he couldn't make one in Miami. Everyone loves Landry's passion but I don't see that translating to wins unless they find their QB and completely revamp their defense.

I haven't followed their other trades this year- I'll definitely comment more after watching Hard Knocks. It's recorded on the DVR but I hadn't had time to watch it yet.

so Let me get this strait, you came from a average to below average team but now your the authority...you got no credibility god son..

Plus who are you yelling at in the first week of camp like that....?

I think He’s a poser man..

Jarvis is a good and all but he's not OBJ or Antonio Brown,his toughness will be the hardest element of his game to replace but playing smart and more speed should help with that.

If I was a family member of one of those in the Browns WR room, I would be wondering if Landry was talking about my son. I know he was generalizing and not calling anyone out specifically, but it still doesn't reflect well on the group. I think Landry, the WR coach, and HBO will be the only ones who appreciate that video segment.

An obvious perspective probably, but just as a reminder, Jarvis isn't a Dolphin anymore, so anything he says or does is irrelevant to who we are. Even if he balls out in Cleveland - or fails utterly - or whether or not he is the consummate leader it means nothing to us, because there are no guarantees the same would have happened here. It's alternate reality stuff.

Landry is a Brown. Nothing he does matters any more. So if you're prone to frustration, I'd say let it go. No point dwelling on the past or imaginary futures.

Let Landry be what he will be. May the Dolphins bring it this year and continue to find more and more success. May the best team win!

"Fin-O wrote:

I totally do not believe he was team oriented during those frustrating times last season.

We want to give Adam Gase, Devante Parker and the team as a whole all these passes for 2016 because of Jay Cutler, hurricanes, and coaches doing blow off of escorts....

But some (not you) seem to insist on demonizing an obvious emotional player who was frustrated with the situation he found himself in as well. And the fact the team offered to make him our highest paid WR tells me that we most likely are overanalyzing or overexaggerating the talks he was the modern day T.O.

Again, I can't tell you I would've been happy with paying him what the Browns did, I do think him not being here can possibly make us a better offense in the long-run. I fully support our team trading him.

I just refuse to attack his character to make myself feel better about the situation, that's too typical of how people on social media react to just about everything.

You can tell a lot about a person's character by how they act in high pressure situations. All too often, Landry loses his cool, and does incredibly stupid things.

"Fin D wrote:

If this fire is so great, why were we not great when he was here with all that fire?

Football is a team sport. You can have all the fire in the world and if the talent around you is mediocre it won't matter. Look at Marino. 10x the fire of Landry and we still had plenty of down season with him leading the charge.

"resnor wrote:

You can tell a lot about a person's character by how they act in high pressure situations. All too often, Landry loses his cool, and does incredibly stupid things.

Can’t argue against that. But my point is, when he was here 95% of us loved that about him, and now that he’s gone? We are all anti Jarvis guy’s who we are soooo glad his one dimensional ass is gone!

Just a silly overall reaction in my opinion

"Fin-O wrote:

Can’t argue against that. But my point is, when he was here 95% of us loved that about him, and now that he’s gone? We are all anti Jarvis guy’s who we are soooo glad his one dimensional *** is gone!

Just a silly overall reaction in my opinion

I wonder what the narrative would be if Tannehill leaves!! OMG I hope he wins 5 Super Bowls with the Patriots now that he has signed there!!!!!

:tongue:

"Fin-O wrote:

Can’t argue against that. But my point is, when he was here 95% of us loved that about him, and now that he’s gone? We are all anti Jarvis guy’s who we are soooo glad his one dimensional *** is gone!

Just a silly overall reaction in my opinion

I think with Landry there was a collective sense of denial as to his character.

The Club level provided some good insight as to why many of us reversed our position on both re-signing him and our feelings about him. It was a steady descent that was well deserved. I was someone that loved Landry, now I'm thrilled that he is gone, both from a football perspective (allowing Tannehill to distribute the ball more evenly) and a locker room perspective where it seems to have been image over substance for Jarvis.

With that being said, you still have respect him for his work ethic and dedication to his craft, which ultimately led him to a life altering contract. Just glad it's not in Miami.

"Bumrush wrote:

I think with Landry there was a collective sense of denial as to his character.

The Club level provided some good insight as to why many of us reversed our position on both re-signing him and our feelings about him. It was a steady descent that was well deserved. I was someone that loved Landry, now I'm thrilled that he is gone, both from a football perspective (allowing Tannehill to distribute the ball more evenly) and a locker room perspective where it seems to have been image over substance for Jarvis.

With that being said, you still have respect him for his work ethic and dedication to his craft, which ultimately led him to a life altering contract. Just glad it's not in Miami.

I get that, and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But the team offered him 11M a year. So how bad were these issues really, if the “victims” of Landry’s tirades, tried to keep him on the team?

But yea, I will root for him to do well in Cle, but I understand the offensive philosophy without him.