Happy.

i just can't be happy with morale victories anymore. i agree with a lot of what you are saying, but seeing this movie over and over again....maybe i will feel better tomorrow when i sleep on it.

"bran wrote:

i just can't be happy with morale victories anymore.

Haha...yeah, pretty much what he said, lol. :)

It definitely feels disingenuous to come away from that game feeling good about Miami's offense. It was not pretty. It took way too long for Gase and Tannehill to figure out how to move the ball. Either Miami simply isn't good enough to go against a real pass defense or they weren't able to make the adjustments necessary to get their receivers into the game earlier. Either option is bad.

The upside is obviously the defense. The line did a great job containing Wilson. Generally-speaking, they took good angles when he tried to escape. The back end of the defense isn't stellar. I still feel like when Seattle knew they needed something they could get it. Good teams don't worry about winning the 4th quarter and that's exactly what Seattle was able to do and that was without Rawls and Graham being at 100%.

In the end I'll say the same thing I said in the game thread...you'll wake up tomorrow knowing you lost to the best team in the NFC West...no problem. Nobody picked Miami to win today and they didn't. If anything, you come away slightly more confident about the defense and slightly more concerned about the offense. I'll take this loss though over the one the Bills had to the Ravens or the one the Jets had to the Bengals. Both of those were against AFC opponents. The Jets lost to a good team at home while the Bills looked pretty lousy. Tyrod looked particularly bad and the Ravens defense who he was facing is nothing special.

Too much change in the off-season to expect a great team or even winning season. It's a pain in the backside but it's starting over again with Gase. Feels like a lot of wasted time/seasons, but it is what it is. For now, it's all new again under Gase, I don't feel I can expect anything more.

I'd love to see a better record every season, advancement every season, but all these changes prevent that. Starting from now, I expect it, but it's game one, and this season is all show and tell. That's how I'm taking it. Don't see how I can take it any other way.

It's a good thing this team has fans that are happy with mediocrity or they would have no fans at all.

"Galant wrote:

Too much change in the off-season to expect a great team or even winning season. It's a pain in the backside but it's starting over again with Gase. Feels like a lot of wasted time/seasons, but it is what it is. For now, it's all new again under Gase, I don't feel I can expect anything more.

I'd love to see a better record every season, advancement every season, but all these changes prevent that. Starting from now, I expect it, but it's game one, and this season is all show and tell. That's how I'm taking it. Don't see how I can take it any other way.

Yeah, I'm not trying to bash the optimism, haha. The defense was solid. I predicted 7-9 for the record so I'm with you on what you just said above.

The offense looked a little too Lazor-esque for my taste though. We've gotta be better than that​, right!?

Abdul-Quadus (sp?) stood out to me as looking really good.

Wouldn't exactly say I'm happy with that team performance though.
The game was there for the winning and we blew it. Drops, special teams, questionable use of timeouts. Tough to overlook that and find happiness 5 minutes after a tough loss.

Hard to take anything positive from the Offense today. It was a complete **** show from the get go. Minus 3 yards on the first "pass" and a 0 yard play on 3rd n 5 "pass" that set the tone for the garbage that was to come. Started something like 1-12 on 3rd downs. 5 three and outs first 8 possessions. D on the field all day long. Thats the positive, the D was outstanding all game except for the 3rd and 12 conversion early on that led to 3 points and ofcourse the end of the game that i knew was coming. Its hard to be positive when you have an offense that will struggle to score 17 pts most games. We blew chance after chance today. Had 2 turnovers on D in their territory and still managed 10 pts. Pretty pathetic anyway u cut it. A ton of 0 to 3 yard plays.

I'm not saying there aren't lots of things to be improved, or that there aren't things to be unhappy with overall, I'm saying, I'm asking, give me a legit reason to expect more than what we saw, especially against a team like the Seahawks?

"Galant wrote:

I'm not saying there aren't lots of things to be improved, or that there aren't things to be unhappy with overall, I'm saying, I'm asking, give me a legit reason to expect more than what we saw, especially against a team like the Seahawks?

The way that game played out just an avg offensive team wins that game by double digits. We are a couple key injuries on D away from a top 10 pick with this offense. You cant win in this league with a passing offense that gets so little yardage per attempt. Regardless of who you blame, the passing offense was abysmal. We should be 1-0 with a 1 game lead over the entire division if the Pats lose tonight. How can anybody be happy with the garbage they displayed today?

"Galant wrote:

I'm not saying there aren't lots of things to be improved, or that there aren't things to be unhappy with overall, I'm saying, I'm asking, give me a legit reason to expect more than what we saw, especially against a team like the Seahawks?

Well, you can take that perspective but it seemed that between that 2nd quarter and that last drive where Tannehill got the TD that our offense did absolutely nothing and could not get so much as a first down.

If you look at Tannehill's 186 yards passing and start looking at what those are. 50 were on the big screen to Foster and half the rest were on that final drive. You had at least 2 quarters there were the offense couldn't pass the ball at all.

That's scary bad. That's the kind of ineptitude we saw under Lazor, so yeeeeeeeah, I kind of feel like we should've expected more. Where was Cameron? Where was Carroo? Where was Landry aside from the WR screens?

It just wasn't a very good-looking showing offensively. We got beat. That's all there was to it. I'm really surprised our D kept us in it for as long as they did. I expected a lot more out of Wilson to be honest. He had decent protection, playing at home and had Lockett and Baldwin there all game. Luke Wilson is no scrub either...at least considering his counterpart in this game, lol.

"BigNastyDB13 wrote:

The way that game played out just an avg offensive team wins that game by double digits. We are a couple key injuries on D away from a top 10 pick with this offense. You cant win in this league with a passing offense that gets so little yardage per attempt. Regardless of who you blame, the passing offense was abysmal. We should be 1-0 with a 1 game lead over the entire division if the Pats lose tonight. How can anybody be happy with the garbage they displayed today?

But what legit reason do we have for expecting more than what we saw?

Only in a world free from context, free from reality, can this team just turn around overnight.

If this were last year and we were facing the Hawks at home, would any of us have expected a win, or even a close game? I don't think so, I think we would have been desperately hoping we avoided a blow out.

We hung with the Seahawks and had a legit chance to beat them. I'm happy with that in the face of the reality of what this team was last year, and the fact this is a new team again with new coaches, new offense, new faces etc.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

Well, you can take that perspective but it seemed that between that 2nd quarter and that last drive where Tannehill got the TD that our offense did absolutely nothing and could not get so much as a first down.

If you look at Tannehill's 186 yards passing and start looking at what those are. 50 were on the big screen to Foster and half the rest were on that final drive. You had at least 2 quarters there were the offense couldn't pass the ball at all.

That's scary bad. That's the kind of ineptitude we saw under Lazor, so yeeeeeeeah, I kind of feel like we should've expected more. Where was Cameron? Where was Carroo? Where was Landry aside from the WR screens?

It just wasn't a very good-looking showing offensively. We got beat. That's all there was to it. I'm really surprised our D kept us in it for as long as they did. I expected a lot more out of Wilson to be honest. He had decent protection, playing at home and had Lockett and Baldwin there all game. Luke Wilson is no scrub either...at least considering his counterpart in this game, lol.

This. Williams almost scored on a long screen as well on that td drive. Foster and Williams accounted for over 75 yards on 0 yard passes. We literally got 0 yards passing for the equivalent of half the game. Be interested to know how many of thills yards came through the air. 50? Lol...aside from the Stills drop everything was the usual across the line of scrimmage garbage. They were sitting in zone all day and we are throwing 2 yard passes. Brilliant.

"DolphinGreg wrote:

Well, you can take that perspective but it seemed that between that 2nd quarter and that last drive where Tannehill got the TD that our offense did absolutely nothing and could not get so much as a first down.

If you look at Tannehill's 186 yards passing and start looking at what those are. 50 were on the big screen to Foster and half the rest were on that final drive. You had at least 2 quarters there were the offense couldn't pass the ball at all.

That's scary bad. That's the kind of ineptitude we saw under Lazor, so yeeeeeeeah, I kind of feel like we should've expected more. Where was Cameron? Where was Carroo? Where was Landry aside from the WR screens?

It just wasn't a very good-looking showing offensively. We got beat. That's all there was to it. I'm really surprised our D kept us in it for as long as they did. I expected a lot more out of Wilson to be honest. He had decent protection, playing at home and had Lockett and Baldwin there all game. Luke Wilson is no scrub either...at least considering his counterpart in this game, lol.

1- They were all over Landry, because of a lack of other weapons to worry about.
2- During that long 2 quarter stretch of dormant offense Foster was running straight into a wall for absolutely nothing which put the offense behind the 8 ball.

I'm not happy at all I'm pissed. We should have won that game. I'm not exactly surprised though. Same old Lolphins. I think the Seachickens are overrated as hell though. Our defense was surprisingly solid considering all the perceived holes we have. The offense doesn't have much fire power at all. But we certainly had our opportunities to put enough points on the board to win. Disappointing.. Depressing.. looking forward to doing it all over again next week.

Was Devante Parker out this game or was he just invisible?

"IdrA wrote:

I'm not happy at all I'm pissed. We should have won that game. I'm not exactly surprised though. Same old Lolphins. I think the Seachickens are overrated as hell though. Our defense was surprisingly solid considering all the perceived holes we have. The offense doesn't have much fire power at all. But we certainly had our opportunities to put enough points on the board to win. Disappointing.. Depressing.. looking forward to doing it all over again next week.

Was Devante Parker out this game or was he just invisible?

He was out. Still produced as much as the other wideouts who did play tho lol. Think Stills managed 1 catch. Carroo 1 catch. Cameron 1 catch maybe. Landry had 1 catch away from the los i believe. Pathetic all around from thill and the receivers.

This year is about evaluating the QB to see what we need to do moving forward..

Not impressed with week one..shows an inability to look off covered receivers....throw it anyways...(bad sign)... Does not attack the los when pressured, meakley goes backwards...have to move forward and attack the outlets.

Didn't not run once on his own accord..

Nothing in terms of an intermediate passing game...less than 5 ypa.

Every week is different. Every team you match up against is a different beast. While it can be encouraging to see positives (big drive at the end, looks like we have good safeties, we were okay against the run, etc.), you only have 16 games. And losses are killers.

There are no moral victories in the NFL.

"BigNastyDB13 wrote:

Hard to take anything positive from the Offense today. It was a complete **** show from the get go. Minus 3 yards on the first "pass" and a 0 yard play on 3rd n 5 "pass" that set the tone for the garbage that was to come. Started something like 1-12 on 3rd downs. 5 three and outs first 8 possessions. D on the field all day long. Thats the positive, the D was outstanding all game except for the 3rd and 12 conversion early on that led to 3 points and ofcourse the end of the game that i knew was coming. Its hard to be positive when you have an offense that will struggle to score 17 pts most games. We blew chance after chance today. Had 2 turnovers on D in their territory and still managed 10 pts. Pretty pathetic anyway u cut it. A ton of 0 to 3 yard plays.

I just didn't see it that way at all. Our offense marched down the field and close to the red-zone five different times, yet we only came away with 10 points. One was on Franks. One was on Stills. Then the beautiful deep pass to Stills that was dropped. But that's not the point- Seattle had the #1 run D last year and the #2 pass D.....plus the #1 offense. We easily outplayed them on both sides of the ball and should have won by 20....in a stadium where other teams just don't win.

Given it was week one in a hostile environment, I think the team played exceptional minus a few mental lapses.

"Galant wrote:

But what legit reason do we have for expecting more than what we saw?

Only in a world free from context, free from reality, can this team just turn around overnight.

If this were last year and we were facing the Hawks at home, would any of us have expected a win, or even a close game? I don't think so, I think we would have been desperately hoping we avoided a blow out.

We hung with the Seahawks and had a legit chance to beat them. I'm happy with that in the face of the reality of what this team was last year, and the fact this is a new team again with new coaches, new offense, new faces etc.

I didnt expect more out of this team because ive seen this garbage offense led by thill for over 4 yrs now. Doesnt mean im happy with watching another season with one of the worse offenses in football. Doesnt mean im ok with watching an offense that might as well punt on 3rd and 6+. The reason i had for hoping the offense would be competent this season was Gase. Turns out i can expect more of the same until Tannehill is no longer the QB. Thill has physical talent but a ***** attitude. Never throws guys open, never takes a chance to try to make something happen on 3rd down. Just takes his 2 yard conpletion and punts. We are going to need the #1 D in the league if we ever want to make the playoffs with thill.

"djphinfan wrote:

This year is about evaluating the QB to see what we need to do moving forward..

Not impressed with week one..shows an inability to look off covered receivers....throw it anyways...(bad sign)... Does not attack the los when pressured, meakley goes backwards...have to move forward and attack the outlets.

Didn't not run once on his own accord..

Nothing in terms of an intermediate passing game...less than 5 ypa.

lol Hereeeee we go.

"BigNastyDB13 wrote:

I didnt expect more out of this team because ive seen this garbage offense led by thill for over 4 yrs now. Doesnt mean im happy with watching another season with one of the worse offenses in football. Doesnt mean im ok with watching an offense that might as well punt on 3rd and 6+. The reason i had for hoping the offense would be competent this season was Gase. Turns out i can expect more of the same until Tannehill is no longer the QB. Thill has physical talent but a ***** attitude. Never throws guys open, never takes a chance to try to make something happen on 3rd down. Just takes his 2 yard conpletion and punts. We are going to need the #1 D in the league if we ever want to make the playoffs with thill.

Well said. This offense is pathetic. There are no moral victories with such an anemic offense and missing on opportunities.

"djphinfan wrote:

This year is about evaluating the QB to see what we need to do moving forward..

Not impressed with week one..shows an inability to look off covered receivers....throw it anyways...(bad sign)... Does not attack the los when pressured, meakley goes backwards...have to move forward and attack the outlets.

Didn't not run once on his own accord..

Nothing in terms of an intermediate passing game...less than 5 ypa.

If we dont drop breadbasket catches we arent having this conversation. Spare us bro. With the game on the line we drove up field and he ran in for a game leading td in the waning minutes. The D was gassed at the end and blew it. Tannehill moved pretty well today considering. I saw plenty of throws he didnt force, more than him' throwing anyway.'

Catch the f***ing ball.

"KeyFin wrote:

I just didn't see it that way at all. Our offense marched down the field and close to the red-zone five different times, yet we only came away with 10 points. One was on Franks. One was on Stills. Then the beautiful deep pass to Stills that was dropped. But that's not the point- Seattle had the #1 run D last year and the #2 pass D.....plus the #1 offense. We easily outplayed them on both sides of the ball and should have won by 20....in a stadium where other teams just don't win.

Given it was week one in a hostile environment, I think the team played exceptional minus a few mental lapses.

Marched down the field...lmao. The D handed them the ball twice in Sea territory. End result? 3 pts. They put together and finished 1 drive all game. One! The pass game couldnt have been anymore pathetic. Had we won that game 10-6 it wouldve been a miracle due to a fantastic defensive effort and a seattle offense that couldnt do much. You get 16 games and you let the first one slip through your fingers cause of a pathetic performance by your offense. Get used to it. This offense still blows.

Our defense played a heck of a ballgame and we were able to stop the run and pressure Wilson. It amazes me how anybody can watch that game and think that Tannehill is what cost us the game, but I expect no less from some of our ignorant fans. Stills dropped one of the easiest TD passes you will ever see and we missed two opportunities to get points via FG. Ryan made some good plays, especially down the stretch in clutch situations. I honestly thought we would get run out of the building but I feel so much better about going into Foxboro next week, especially if our defense plays at that level. Even though we didn't win, this looked like a team that had confidence, a team that was well coached, and a team that was physical. These were all non-existent under Philbin. We held an explosive offense to 12 points and dang near beat them in one of the most difficult venues to play in in all of sports.