Greg McElroy says he’s better prepared for the NFL than Cam Newton

However their cap isn't ruined. Cards suck now mostly because of bad managment. However that was good management. I do not see how it is lucky to sign a aging veteran and then have that aging veteran play well. Looks like the only way the cards got lucky is by making good decisions.

 

They suck now because of bad management but were good because of good managment? Did their management change? And Leinhart was a "good decisions'?

No, they got lucky in that Warner had more in the tank than anyone thought. Leinhart was a bust and now the Cards are stuck still paying him money and have Anderson as their starting QB. I think Cutler was drafted in 2006 behind Leinhart. How's he doing?

 

Are you really comparing McElroy to Brady/Brees? McElroy is a poor mans Chad Pennington. Smart as hell, but weak arm. He might turn into a good backup, but he's not starting material, and is never going to be. If we draft a guy who can't make all the throws from a physical standpoint to be a starter we're in real trouble.

 

Wait, wait. That can’t be right.

Cam Newton stated that he thinks he can win a championship in the NFL because he won championships in high school, JUCO, and the BCS. He stated he wants to be an entertainer and an icon as a quarterback. HUGE RED FLAGS SPROUT EVERYWHERE.

But Greg McElroy says he’s more NFL ready than Cam Newton, and he’s just being publicly confident and self-assured?

Holy double standard, Batman.

(And no, I’m not addressing this specifically at you, CIF. Just using your post as a springboard to make a point.)

 

The NFL is a thinking QB's game...give me a smart, less gifted QB over a QB who isnt dumb but MUCH less experienced in reading coverages and comes from a gimmick offense. As it is, I dont think newton is starting material either. I give a guy like McElroy just as good a shot as him.

Its not a double standard..theres a fine line as always between confidence and what one might perceive as arrogance. Perception is reality for some. Newtons comments, in my opinion, are talking about being bigger then the game itself and becoming the NFL's next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. McElroy's seem to reflect a confidence in his ability that is necessary to play this game. Now some players need to feel like they are the best, need to believe their own hype because if you bring them down a level it diminishes them. Unfortunately their reality is usually the loudest "thud". Newton will be lucky to be the next Vince Young.

 

IMO people are over rating McElroy's football intelligence. When I watch him play I see a good leader who commands the huddle and gets his players into position well. But I also see a QB who lacks anticipation, often locks on to his primary receiver, holds the ball too long and doesn't manipulate the S. I don't see a guy who has those elite instincts like Brees.

 

How do you get that I'm comparing him to either Brees or Brady? What in any of my posts suggest that I think McElroy is another Brees or Brady?


It really aggravates me when people do this. It is possible to mention two or more playes in the same thread and not compare them. I CLEARLY NEVER compared him to anyone currently in the NFL.


If someone said it was impossible for Chris Johnson to rush for 300yrds in a game, and I replied with, "Well, Jamal Lewis rushed for 295 yards in one game, so it's possible", would you also think I'm comparing the two RB's?


When I write that people said Brady and Brees had weak arms and wouldn't be anything more than a backup, like some people say about McElroy, it's not comparing. It's making the point that "people" aren't always correct in their beliefs.

 

And perceiving Newton as arrogant is incorrect.

 

Iam fine with his arrogance...its the other stuff I worry about.

 

Newton's not arrogant, he's just kind of a big deal. He has many leatherbound books and his house smells of rich mahogany.

Official scoring:

-1 team has told Adam Schefter they didn't like Cam Newton's answer when they confronted him with the rumor that he changed the coaches' play call on the final play of the National Championship Game from a kneel down to a QB sneak to try and get that extra TD.

-2 teams told Rob Rang they gave Cam Newton poor grades for "football character" based on his answers to questions on the white board, with the X's and O's.

-Multiple teams told Peter King that they came away very impressed specifically by Cam Newton's white board work.

-1 team official tells Rob Rang that they believe the 2 teams that gave him poor grades for "football character" are blowing smoke trying to get him to fall, that his team's offensive coaches described his Cam Newton's white board work as "perfect", that they put him on the white board and he "knew where to go with the football against different schemes, where his hot read was...did it quickly and with confidence".

Overall, based on these counter reports, I'm satisfied that Newton did not damage his draft stock at the Combine. I was worried when Rob Rang came out with that report of two teams that said he had "poor football character". That actually concerned me. But based on the other stuff, those instances are either very isolated, or there's some other motives going on. So, overall, I think Newton may have even helped himself at the Combine, simply by dispelling illusions that he would be some tragic white board worker that didn't know anything and would conduct himself terribly like Vince Young or Andre Smith, etc.

Which makes it unsurprising that as the weekend went on, Mike Mayock's stance went from a red-faced, finger-pointing "NOT THAT QUARTERBACK!" when Michael Lombardi stuck Cam Newton in his mock draft at #3 overall to Buffalo...to later in the weekend watching LBs with Jim Mora Jr. and explaining that if the Carolina Panthers don't have faith in Jimmy Clausen and if they have conviction in Blaine Gabbert "or Cam Newton" they need to take them at #1 overall. It is also therefore unsurprising that Wes Bunting of the National Football Post, who has been KILLING Cam Newton for weeks now, came out of the Combine and placed Cam Newton #1 overall in his latest mock draft. He regularly speaks to scouts.

 

Oh, sure he's good on a white-board, but when the bullets are flying, Cam Newton isn't smart enough to make the right read because Jamarcus Russel was a bust. Cmon man, don't you know ANYTHING!!!???!?!

 

Actually, when the bullets are flying, ie National Championship game, he needs the entire coaching staff to send him signals because he doesn't know what's going on.

 

Ah damn, how could I forget that?

 

LMFAO!

That's the most ridiculous line of criticism I've seen today on any subject. Thanks for that.

 

Are you saying it's not true?

 

Can you READ?

 

Can you THINK?

 

it is hard to post without thinking

 

Can you LINK?

 

No, I can THINK.

 

He doesn’t need to link to proof. It did happen; Newton usually looked toward Malzahn on the sidelines for instructions pre-snap. But…

Not in this instance, because NCAA quarterbacks getting sideline instructions pre-snap is commonplace. This isn’t an indictment of Cam Newton, it’s an indictment of your familiarity with NCAA offenses. If Newton ran a pro-style offense, he wouldn’t have to look to the sideline for adjustments. But he didn’t. He ran Malzahn’s offense. Malzahn wanted him to get adjustments from the sideline. So Newton did.

Combined with CK’s facts about how Newton actually passed his combine markerboard sessions with flying colors, there’s no substance to your complaint.

 

I remember reading a post on a message board last year claiming that Sam Bradford must be an idiot (and would be an NFL failure) b/c he would check with the sidelines before snapping the ball. I remember wondering if that poster actually watched college football.

 

Wait, how do know that the two bad reports were not true, and that all the other teams were gassing him up so that he can go higher than normal. Hmmmmmm?????

 

Ding ding ding.

 

Exactly. In a lot of offenses, the entire team will look towards the sideline for the change in play call. It's the merecat offense.

 

We don't. I'd just assume they're all true.

 

I'd put my football knowledge up against most people here who are NOT employed by the NCAA or NFL.

The fact that a lot of QB's get the same spoon fed defensive reads as Cam is nothing more than giving credit where it's not deserved. A lot of QB's don't make it in to the NFL. The REAL facts are that players who NEED that type of help don't make it in the NFL. Add to the fact that Cam is a proven cheater, a thief and a liar and what you have is a huge BUST.


All of this tit for tat is for naught anyhow. The draft will happen. Cam will no doubt get picked 1st (or close to it). Some here think he'll be great and some here, like me, think he'll be a bust. Time and only time will prove who was right.

 

You are so blinded by your conviction, that you can't even allow yourself to see reason.

 

Ryan Mallett did the same. He had to look to the sidelines for an audible. And if it wasn't there, tough titty.

The ridiculous line of reasoning is the notion that in these offenses where the coach makes the audibles, the coach had to do that because of some deficiency in his quarterback. That's just plain ridiculous. Some offensive coordinators train their QBs to do it, most do not. It's a preference that lies with the coordinator and has nothing to do with the quarterback. Guz Malzahn could have Peyton Manning running his offense on the field and he'd still have Peyton looking to the sideline for the final adjustment to the play call according to what the defense is showing.

What you look for are little things, little signs that these guys are so comfortable with their QBs that they do things they haven't done before. For instance, Gary Pinkel gave Blaine Gabbert a little more leeway than I think he normally does, in terms of route adjustments. Guz Malzahn usually has the running backs communicate the play adjustement to the offensive line before the play, because he wants to give the QB more time to scan the field and make adjustments. In Auburn, he changed that practice, and had Newton do it, and Newton had more responsibility for making calls associated with the ground game.

 

Time will tell. Good thing for me that these posts won't be deleted.

 

Wow...rarely is their a player whose opinions about him are more polarized than Cam. Now, some appear to think McElroy is a better prospect than Newton...lol...comical, just comical.

 

I remember some people laughing when I said JMac, Young and Quinn were going to be busts too.

Once again, time will be the truth giver.

 

I'm not saying Cam will be great, nor am I saying he will be a bust. I am open minded and able to listen to both sides of the argument. You however are so set in your ways that when someone counters your argument with valid logic you ignore it and continue on stuck in your ways. You have your head so far in the sand, an ostrich would be proud.

 

lol...And yet I'm the only one not using disparaging remarks towards others about their OPINIONS. Seems to me when people have to insult they don't really have much else.

No, I've looked at all the available evidence and came to my own conclussions about Newton. Just because my opinion of this evidence differs from some other's doesn't make me any more, or less, "stuck in my ways". It just means I have a different opinion. There are plenty of paid NFL scouts who have this same opinion. I guess their heads are in the sand too, huh?

Also, I'm the only one here saying that time will tell when it comes to Cam. Most of his supporters have already made up their mind (are set in their ways) about Cam being good.


One last time. My opinion of Newton is that he will be a bust. Time will prove me either right or wrong.

 

How do you perceive someone who refers to them in the third person? Is that not the very definition of arrogance?

 

Too easy to hand pick the ones you were right on. Everyone can go back and do that. Anyone that makes "predictions" year after year are going to make some good calls and some bad ones.

I would bet you may have also called Rodgers a bust and Smith a sure thing back in 2005. If not them, there would be plenty more gotten wrong. Everyone misses both ways...busts become stars and sure things become busts.

Of course, time will tell who in this draft pans out. A lot of times the difference between a player being a "bust" or a success may be circumstances (system, supporting cast, opportunity, injury, etc...). Comparing McElroy to Newton at this point is about the equivalence of comparing David Gilreath to Julio Jones. McElroy hasn't earned it.

Jury is still out on V Young...30-17 as starter and some team will give him a shot. As far as JMac, any dope-head with a piss-poor work ethic is going to be a bust. Newton clearly does not fall under than category. Every coach that has worked with him raves about him as a person and his work ethic. I think most fans were just desperate for a QB the year Quinn came out.

Most of the negativity around Newton has been sensational journalists and haters (non-Auburn SEC fans, ignorant people who stereotype comparing Newton to JMac, etc...) that chooses to ignore what every coach, player, and person who has been around him the past couple of years says about him.

 

It is pretty fun to do

 

No, I don’t think it is. IMO, arrogance is the cumulative result of actions, not words. Arrogance is Mike Shanahan giving Donovan McNabb a contract extension during one of the worst seasons of McNabb’s career.

Desides has referred to himself in the third person on occasion, primarily when describing some event or perhaps narrating an anecdote. But he also refers to himself in the third person when he must provide examples of how the tiniest, most insignificant things get blown up into nuclear mushroom clouds thanks to the bizarre cluster-F that is the NFL draft scouting process.

Desides further believes that Cam Newton is getting smokescreened by the two teams who supposedly didn’t like his markerboard session. He believes those two teams are the Bengals and Redskins.

 

I think if your any of the teams that need a QB you take a hard look at this player, we know that, and if your Irish, your gonna be gambling at the QB position no matter what route you wanna take, and if your gonna roll the dice on an athletic QB, you gotta think hard on the most impressive skillset in the draft and keep things into perspective,...