Georgia Tech linebacker Derrick Morgan meets with the phins

tight lipped? don't we know just about everyone they have talked to? :~)

morgan has great athleticism but too stiff to play 3-4 OLB
he is more geared toward being a 4-3 DE imo

I don't have a write up finished for this yet, but here is a package on Morgan.

YouTube- Universaldraft.com presents - DE Derrick Morgan - Georgia Tech

by the way, a little off topic, Can McClain play the SOLB spot in our defense?

"Conuficus wrote:

I don't have a write up finished for this yet, but here is a package on Morgan.

YouTube- Universaldraft.com presents - DE Derrick Morgan - Georgia Tech

what the hell is universaldraft.com?

"unluckyluciano wrote:

what the hell is universaldraft.com?

its not midget porn, you wont be interested.

"SICK wrote:

its not midget porn, you wont be interested.

must be guy on guy if you know about it.

****ING BURN!

"SICK wrote:

its not midget porn, you wont be interested.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

must be guy on guy if you know about it.

****ING BURN!

Mexican Donkey show - American Style.

"Conuficus wrote:

I don't have a write up finished for this yet, but here is a package on Morgan.

YouTube- Universaldraft.com presents - DE Derrick Morgan - Georgia Tech

I still see so much Tamba Hali in him it's kind of scary.

Morgan will be a heck of a pass rusher at the next level I think. I'm not sure if he'll be more than that, then again I don't think he'll need to be much more than that.

But, I think I'd still draft Brandon Graham ahead of him.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I still see so much Tamba Hali in him it's kind of scary.

Morgan will be a heck of a pass rusher at the next level I think. I'm not sure if he'll be more than that, then again I don't think he'll need to be much more than that.

But, I think I'd still draft Brandon Graham ahead of him.

One thing I noticed was that he does get off the ball very quickly. I don't know if it is him having an elite first step, but his reactions to the ball are very, very fast. He shoots his hands well, but he has rather elongated hand strikes and arm motions.

I don't know how much of a factor it is in his game, but did anyone notice that he ends up on the ground a good deal of the time when he doesn't actually have to go to ground. He's not Brian Price, but if you look closely, you see it - or maybe I'm seeing things.

No that's one of the things that immediately stands out in your video, a lack of balance, going to ground a lot. That's one of the reasons I see him as a real savvy pass rusher at the next level eventually but I'm not sure how much more than that.

I wonder if Brandon Graham won't be drafted ahead of Morgan though.

"ckparrothead wrote:

No that's one of the things that immediately stands out in your video, a lack of balance, going to ground a lot. That's one of the reasons I see him as a real savvy pass rusher at the next level eventually but I'm not sure how much more than that.

I wonder if Brandon Graham won't be drafted ahead of Morgan though.

I think we'll see a few options there at 12 that will beg some fans to say, why him and not him. I do have an issue with Graham, that may not make him as ideal as we think. I want to double check it, but there is something that has caught my eye.

And, if Morgan has this "issue" then it would likely preclude him from making the switch. If he has this issue in close quarters, then what happens in space? In my mind it is looking more and more like Jerry Hughes is squarely in our sights as an edge rusher IMO.

if that is the case, then we don't need that - since we already have Wake ... we need, and hope we get a 'rangy' type OLB that is good in space -- rather than a rusher with short arms.

"PHINANALYST wrote:

if that is the case, then we don't need that - since we already have Wake ... we need, and hope we get a 'rangy' type OLB that is good in space -- rather than a rusher with short arms.

Morgan has short arms?

"Conuficus wrote:

One thing I noticed was that he does get off the ball very quickly. I don't know if it is him having an elite first step, but his reactions to the ball are very, very fast. He shoots his hands well, but he has rather elongated hand strikes and arm motions.

I don't know how much of a factor it is in his game, but did anyone notice that he ends up on the ground a good deal of the time when he doesn't actually have to go to ground. He's not Brian Price, but if you look closely, you see it - or maybe I'm seeing things.

I know what you exactly mean. I remember watching him against Iowa and thinking how he was on the ground so often when dipping his shoulder.

"Conuficus wrote:

Morgan has short arms?

34 1/2" arms is nice IMO.

"Conuficus wrote:

I think we'll see a few options there at 12 that will beg some fans to say, why him and not him. I do have an issue with Graham, that may not make him as ideal as we think. I want to double check it, but there is something that has caught my eye.

And, if Morgan has this "issue" then it would likely preclude him from making the switch. If he has this issue in close quarters, then what happens in space? In my mind it is looking more and more like Jerry Hughes is squarely in our sights as an edge rusher IMO.

You crack me up man. You talk like you just cracked the Da Vinci code. Why don't you just say what you think might be an issue about him? I've probably scoured 5 or 6 games of his by now within the last week or two, I can at least offer some insight as to whether I've seen that or not.

"ckparrothead wrote:

You crack me up man. You talk like you just cracked the Da Vinci code. Why don't you just say what you think might be an issue about him? I've probably scoured 5 or 6 games of his by now within the last week or two, I can at least offer some insight as to whether I've seen that or not.

Just cause I'd rather make sure than say something that may be incorrect. And, yeah maybe I did crack the DaVinci code, that way I get to hang out with the hottie French chick......:shifty:

Plus, we are to talk about that this weekend.....kill the drama why don't you?

"Conuficus wrote:

Just cause I'd rather make sure than say something that may be incorrect. And, yeah maybe I did crack the DaVinci code, that way I get to hang out with the hottie French chick......:shifty:

Plus, we are to talk about that this weekend.....kill the drama why don't you?

LOL. Ok man, but I want to be floored when I hear it.

"ckparrothead wrote:

LOL. Ok man, but I want to be floored when I hear it.

So, you're expecting this? :nutkicker:

"Conuficus wrote:

I think we'll see a few options there at 12 that will beg some fans to say, why him and not him. I do have an issue with Graham, that may not make him as ideal as we think. I want to double check it, but there is something that has caught my eye.

And, if Morgan has this "issue" then it would likely preclude him from making the switch. If he has this issue in close quarters, then what happens in space? In my mind it is looking more and more like Jerry Hughes is squarely in our sights as an edge rusher IMO.

Do you see a redundancy with Hughes and Cameron Wake? Great edge rushers with questions about run support, and pretty much the same size. Hughes is a heck of a player, but I'm thinking that I'd like to see a lot more of Wake this year. I'm getting intrigued by the talk of taking Iupati- curious as to your thoughts on taking him and also Spiller. Cheers.

Iupati video:
http://www.mynfldraft.com/NFL-Draft-...10/Mike-Iupati

nice move at :30

http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OG/Mike-Iupati.php
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php

"Killerphins wrote:

morgan has great athleticism but too stiff to play 3-4 OLB
he is more geared toward being a 4-3 DE imo

People with great athleticism aren't "stiff in the hips". Have you watched his tape or are you just repeating what some draftnik is spouting about him? This guy is anything but stiff in the hips. On tape he's twisting and torquing his body this way and that to clear the corner around a tackle, changing direction mid stride to make a tackle and plays with a vicious level tenacity. This time of year people overanlayze and nitpick. On tape this guy is special, and that's what should count most.

If somebody would like to elaborate and provide examples of why he's "too stiff" I would really appreciate their perspective. But at this point, I don't see what those people are seeing.

"StLouisFinFan wrote:

People with great athleticism aren't "stiff in the hips". Have you watched his tape or are you just repeating what some draftnik is spouting about him? This guy is anything but stiff in the hips. On tape he's twisting and torquing his body this way and that to clear the corner around a tackle, changing direction mid stride to make a tackle and plays with a vicious level tenacity. This time of year people overanlayze and nitpick. On tape this guy is special, and that's what should count most.

If somebody would like to elaborate and provide examples of why he's "too stiff" I would really appreciate their perspective. But at this point, I don't see what those people are seeing.

If you watch the last section of the video you should see a player that does show he is a stiff in the hips in comparison to other players such as Jerry Hughes as an example.

The big thing with Morgan is why is he on the ground so much?

"jim1 wrote:

Do you see a redundancy with Hughes and Cameron Wake? Great edge rushers with questions about run support, and pretty much the same size. Hughes is a heck of a player, but I'm thinking that I'd like to see a lot more of Wake this year. I'm getting intrigued by the talk of taking Iupati- curious as to your thoughts on taking him and also Spiller. Cheers.

Iupati video:
http://www.mynfldraft.com/NFL-Draft-...10/Mike-Iupati

nice move at :30

http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OG/Mike-Iupati.php
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php

I think Iupati is a ruse to be honest. He's a guy who isn't a tackle at he next level, and needs to learn to play G at the next level. I upati can get lazy with his footwork and relies on grabbing his opponent a good deal, rather than using his punch effectively and relying on his technique. He has some good qualities, but at 12 he might be too much of a "gamble" due to who else you could have with the pick.

Spiller may be a consideration, as he could be seen as the replacement for Percy Harvin in the offense. I can see that, except is Spiller that much of a receiving threat in this offense? We can't find a use for Ronnie Brown's hands yet we will now look for Spiller more often? Brown's hands are as good as most wide receivers' hands, and are likely better than Spiller's IMO. WE run the ball way too much on the interior for Spiller IMO, to be as effective as he could be in say a West Coast system. Spiller may be a closer fit to a Brian Westbrook, than what we may ultimately seek in running backs. In both Parmalee (sp) and Hilliard we chose physical runners, not quick elusive backs.

We have to find fits within what we seem to do, and in reality neither player Iupati or Spiller may be the answer.

Someone who may be a better option might be TCU's Daryl Washington....pair him with Dansby and see how athletic our inside backers become.

Wake and Hughes are different players really IMHO. Hughes is ridiculously athletic for a man his size - Wake is rather stiff, although both do have an uncanny ability to overpower blockers on a bull rush.

Are you thinking Jerry Hughes at #12? I have noticed on a lot of internet mocks he is now being taken in the 20's . Where about a month ago it seemed like they had him in the upper to mid 2nd round.