Gase gets ALL the blame for this terrible loss.

"danmarino wrote:

I couldn't agree less. He's forced to go to these simple plays because the blocking won't allow anything else.

Bullshit dan, the blocking doesnt work for the bubble screen either. You don't keep repeatedly calling a play that has never worked since he has been here going back to last year. You can fault the players for some of those failures, but when it fails every single time you have to blame the coach for either not designing and coaching the play properly or for not coming up with something else.

The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

"danmarino wrote:

I couldn't agree less. He's forced to go to these simple plays because the blocking won't allow anything else.

But those plays were getting blown up EVERY TIME because the formation showed what we were doing. It was the same on run plays...or disorganized line was trying to block too many people and someone almost always had gap coverage coming from the 2nd level. The fundamentals weren't there...the basic X's and O's. I'd say Gase was at least 50% responsible for the loss because we were never in a position to win.

Think about this- Ajayi's first run was 21 yards. It was a run off the left guard, yet he reversed field and turned it into a sweep to the right. That means he had no blockers except a single WR....he did that all on talent alone. Yet Gase never called a play similar to that the rest of the game...it was all up the middle with linebackers blowing up gaps. Almost EVERY failed run play was on Gase...our linemen often blocked properly and there was another body on D to plug the gap.

"danmarino wrote:

Gase isn't calling the plays

Where the f do you get that gase isn't calling the plays? Are you on the sidelines or work with the dolphins to know something no one else knows?

According to all available public information gase calls the plays and does not allow audibles.

I really don't care what our record is at the end of the season; Gase should be fired. When we win, we win in spite of him. For a guy hailed as an offensive genius, it sure seems difficult for him to put points on the scoreboard. This is NOT a reflection of one game, it is a reflection of the entire season. We may have the 31st ranked offense, but I assure you that the level of talent that we have is not 31st in the league. His play calling is not only puzzling, but it is obvious too. That is a bizarre combination.

Everyone knows his MO
1st and 10 - run for a 2 yard loss with Ajayi
2nd and 12 - bubble screen for a 1 yard loss
3rd and 13 - 5 yard pass to Thomas
4th and 8 - bad punt by Haak

I think that our line is certainly bad, but between Pouncy, Tunsil and James, there is enough talent that we should not be atrocious. Ultimately, my problem with Gase is that he doesn't get the most out of his offensive talent. He doesn't scheme well at all.

Think about this. Look at the year Joe Philbin was fired:
Dolphins 17 - Redskins 10
Jags 23 - Dolphins 20
Bills 41 - Dolphins 14
Jets 27 - Dolphins 14

At least in the "golden age" of Philbin we were putting up points. I really do think that our roster has improved since Philbin, and we are getting less out of it. Gase should be fired.

Talk to me after our next win, I will tell you that he should be canned. I do not care what our record is at the end of the season.

"Seadog wrote:

Yes simple plays for our players is best

Maybe he was getting ready for Halloween LOL

"hitman8 wrote:

Where the f do you get that gase isn't calling the plays? Are you on the sidelines or work with the dolphins to know something no one else knows?

According to all available public information gase calls the plays and does not allow audibles.

CORRECT, for someone who doesn't call plays he sure as hell has a big play sheet in front of him, hes 100% calling plays DAN COMMON!!!!
oh and I may add he sucks at it. we literally look like someone playing madden 2002 using only 3 plays to try and score before all the hot routes and audible came into play lol hahah

"tirty8 wrote:

I really don't care what our record is at the end of the season; Gase should be fired. When we win, we win in spite of him. For a guy hailed as an offensive genius, it sure seems difficult for him to put points on the scoreboard. This is NOT a reflection of one game, it is a reflection of the entire season. We may have the 31st ranked offense, but I assure you that the level of talent that we have is not 31st in the league. His play calling is not only puzzling, but it is obvious too. That is a bizarre combination.

Everyone knows his MO
1st and 10 - run for a 2 yard loss with Ajayi
2nd and 12 - bubble screen for a 1 yard loss
3rd and 13 - 5 yard pass to Thomas
4th and 8 - bad punt by Haak

I think that our line is certainly bad, but between Pouncy, Tunsil and James, there is enough talent that we should not be atrocious. Ultimately, my problem with Gase is that he doesn't get the most out of his offensive talent. He doesn't scheme well at all.

Think about this. Look at the year Joe Philbin was fired:
Dolphins 17 - Redskins 10
Jags 23 - Dolphins 20
Bills 41 - Dolphins 14
Jets 27 - Dolphins 14

At least in the "golden age" of Philbin we were putting up points. I really do think that our roster has improved since Philbin, and we are getting less out of it. Gase should be fired.

Talk to me after our next win, I will tell you that he should be canned. I do not care what our record is at the end of the season.

I agree I just hate getting new coaches all the dang time, I wouldn't mind getting a good OC and letting gase stay head coach I like his ability to roll the dice and go for it and what not.

I think the line sucks because of the type of plays being called, I forgot which sack it was but it was in the third qrt and I wanna say it was like 3rd and 6 or something around that (I was working on a new 30 pack at this point so sorry for my memory), gase called a route where 3 wr went 15 yards down field, now answer me this if he watched the game like I did Ray Charles would know they were going to bring pressure why in the hell would you call a deep route passing play right there? just one play that stuck out of all the bad ones.

"hitman8 wrote:

Where the f do you get that gase isn't calling the plays? Are you on the sidelines or work with the dolphins to know something no one else knows?

According to all available public information gase calls the plays and does not allow audibles.

lol...You mad?

Again, Gase isn't calling the plays. That's all I can say

"bigballa2102 wrote:

CORRECT, for someone who doesn't call plays he sure as hell has a big play sheet in front of him, hes 100% calling plays DAN COMMON!!!!
oh and I may add he sucks at it. we literally look like someone playing madden 2002 using only 3 plays to try and score before all the hot routes and audible came into play lol hahah

He's not...

"KeyFin wrote:

But those plays were getting blown up EVERY TIME because the formation showed what we were doing. It was the same on run plays...or disorganized line was trying to block too many people and someone almost always had gap coverage coming from the 2nd level. The fundamentals weren't there...the basic X's and O's. I'd say Gase was at least 50% responsible for the loss because we were never in a position to win.

Think about this- Ajayi's first run was 21 yards. It was a run off the left guard, yet he reversed field and turned it into a sweep to the right. That means he had no blockers except a single WR....he did that all on talent alone. Yet Gase never called a play similar to that the rest of the game...it was all up the middle with linebackers blowing up gaps. Almost EVERY failed run play was on Gase...our linemen often blocked properly and there was another body on D to plug the gap.

Rock meet hard place.

Call a play that you KNOW will get the QB sacked or call a screen where it's a good chance nothing will come of it, but there's a chance to get something.

"danmarino wrote:

Rock meet hard place.

Call a play that you KNOW will get the QB sacked or call a screen where it's a good chance nothing will come of it, but there's a chance to get something.

do we not have a play action screen or a miss direction screen? seems like everyone has them but us and with 9 in the box usually its successful

"danmarino wrote:

He's not...

Maybe that's the problem no one is calling it? if hes not calling it why did Moore go up to him and they were talking about plays on his wrist band?

"bigballa2102 wrote:

do we not have a play action screen or a miss direction screen? seems like everyone has them but us and with 9 in the box usually its successful

I don't think Gase trusts the o-line in order to give the QB enough time for a PA

"danmarino wrote:

lol...You mad?

Again, Gase isn't calling the plays. That's all I can say

this is some serious Watergate type secrecy ish here!!! if hes not fire whomever is!!!

"danmarino wrote:

I don't think Gase trusts the o-line in order to give the QB enough time for a PA

but with a pa screen the line don't matter ya know?

"bigballa2102 wrote:

Maybe that's the problem no one is calling it? if hes not calling it why did Moore go up to him and they were talking about plays on his wrist band?

He's still involved. He is the HC after all...But he's not the main cog when it comes to calling the plays. I assume, however, that he can veto any play at anytime. But, he's not sending in 80%+ of the plays..

"bigballa2102 wrote:

but with a pa screen the line don't matter ya know?

It matters for the second it takes to fake the hand off...

"bigballa2102 wrote:

this is some serious Watergate type secrecy ish here!!! if hes not fire whomever is!!!

lol...Not Watergate. But it is some info from someone that I trust

"danmarino wrote:

It matters for the second it takes to fake the hand off...

for a screen the line lets em in anyways so I see it as a mute point of trust, they let em in anyways so why not have em do something else and get out and block for someone down field lol

"bigballa2102 wrote:

I agree I just hate getting new coaches all the dang time, I wouldn't mind getting a good OC and letting gase stay head coach I like his ability to roll the dice and go for it and what not.

I think the line sucks because of the type of plays being called, I forgot which sack it was but it was in the third qrt and I wanna say it was like 3rd and 6 or something around that (I was working on a new 30 pack at this point so sorry for my memory), gase called a route where 3 wr went 15 yards down field, now answer me this if he watched the game like I did Ray Charles would know they were going to bring pressure why in the hell would you call a deep route passing play right there? just one play that stuck out of all the bad ones.

Trust me dude, I hate getting new coaches too. But I think that this is a pretty obvious situation where we do not have the right guy. On a brighter note, I think it is pretty obvious that we have a solid roster, and it will not be like previous years where marquee coaches will be turning us down.

I would blow up the front office too. Realistically, we could fix the line in one offseason (draft + free agency) and our team would be significantly better. Even a below average play caller should be able to get decent production out of our team.

"danmarino wrote:

I don't think Gase trusts the o-line in order to give the QB enough time for a PA

That's a bunch of BS Dan. Stop trying to cover for gase and his inept playcalling. Most of the little success we have had this year has come with playactiion so don't tell me we can't block well enough for it. The problem is we dont call playaction enough and instead call too many buble screens and short flat routes which fail every single time.

"bigballa2102 wrote:

for a screen the line lets em in anyways so I see it as a mute point of trust, they let em in anyways so why not have em do something else and get out and block for someone down field lol

The line doesn't just lay down. they block for a second....

"danmarino wrote:

lol...Not Watergate. But it is some info from someone that I trust

well they need to fire the 8 yr old madden player calling the plays then its time to go to bed hahah

"hitman8 wrote:

That's a bunch of BS Dan. Stop trying to cover for gase and his inept playcalling. Most of the little success we have had this year has come with playactiion so don't tell me we can't block well enough for it. The problem is we dont call playaction enough and instead call too many buble screens and short flat routes.

If you remember, early on in the season, I too was calling for Gase to call better plays.

However, he's not calling the plays. So, hence me not calling for Gase to call better plays.

"danmarino wrote:

The line doesn't just lay down. they block for a second....

so like normal hahahah